If a provider invites anybody who calls to come visit them, sooner or later she'll meet a monster who will take advantage of her vulnerable position.
She is left with two remedies: get some muscle to watch over her, or screen. I know which one I'd prefer her to use.
I mean after LE concerns, what is there to screen? Do they check your legal,medical history?
LE is not the only obstacle we have to deal with. Providers also have to deal with nutcase clients, as we hobbyists occasionally have to deal with nutcase providers.
The primary purpose of screening is to try to ensure as much as possible that both provider and client are going to be safe. Yes, LE is always a major concern, but safety is also a biggie.
Lou
"The primary purpose of screening is to try to ensure as much as possible that both provider and client are going to be safe."
I saw a provider whose website was extremely professional and, it appeared she was serious about screening.We're both P411 members, so I didn't have a problem setting the appointment. She never contacted my references.
It appears that P411 was enough for her. Not all providers use it or accept it as their only verification source. Ultimately it is how they want to insure their safety that matters. The big deal is she needs to know you aren't a psycho and that other providers have seen you and there were no issues with you as a client. Then you want her to screen so that you know she isn't LE herself or hooked up with them so you can be caught.
Not sure about P411, but on Date-Check, providers make client comments visible only to providers when they "vouch" for you. Providers with your DC id can look up those comments without having to contact any of the providers you've seen.
You might not be LE, but you also could be an abusive client, or a client who shorts the envelop or a client who lacks basic hygiene skills. Screening is all about making the escort feel comfortable with you before the date. Providers rely on other providers to check to see if clients are ok to see. That's why there are screening sites like date check P411 and RS2000. For clients with no references this makes it somewhat easier to get started. Every provider has a different screening method, from light screening techniques to over the top techniques. As a newb, I would suggest you look for "newbie friendly" provdiers. Many provider web sites will mention this and I think P411 also has this feature.
If you haven't already read the "self help center" I suggest you take a look. It's on the main newb page, upper right corner, near the life preserver. Also scroll back four or five pages of this board. Screening is an often discussed topic.
it was a general comment for a specific purpose.
I notice the "upscale" ( I HATE that word) or "elite" provides tend to have more stringent requirements.(at least on their websites. ) I've never seen a BP girl, so I don't know how they screen clients.
If you're verified through a service, isn't that enough? What else are they going to find out from references that a service doesn't provide?
"You might not be LE, but you also could be an abusive client, or a client who shorts the envelop or a client who lacks basic hygiene skills."
If there was a really abusive client, I don't think he'd last a day without being outed.
Verification sites like P411 are sometimes all a provider needs from a prospective client, but some apparently want more. If you are so reluctant to accept a provider's screening requirements, simply move on. There's nothing that says you have to see any particular lady.
I really don't see why you are getting so worked up about screening. After all, it's also for your safety as well as hers.
Lou
I'm not "worked up" as you put it. seems like you are though.
I really don't see why you are getting so worked up about screening. After all, it's also for your safety as well as hers.
Lou
You don't seem to understand the need for it. So stick to your BP/CL girls that don't screen. I'm sure they will take good care of you.
Lou
Verification through a service is sometimes enough. However, as I mentioned in my reply, some ladies want more. They actually want to speak to the reference you gave. It just depends, if you decide you don't like the screening techniques of a lady you're trying to see, just move on. As far as abusive clients being outed, there are a number of DNS sites for escorts to use. You'd be surprised how abusive clients, have a way of maneuvering around screening.
I notice the "upscale" ( I HATE that word) or "elite" provides tend to have more stringent requirements.(at least on their websites. ) I've never seen a BP girl, so I don't know how they screen clients.
If you're verified through a service, isn't that enough? What else are they going to find out from references that a service doesn't provide?
"You might not be LE, but you also could be an abusive client, or a client who shorts the envelop or a client who lacks basic hygiene skills."
If there was a really abusive client, I don't think he'd last a day without being outed.
they call and talk to them? what do they say?... umm does this guy have sweaty balls or what? did he treat you nicely?
isn't that what an "ok" is for?
"That's why there are screening sites like date check P411 and RS2000"
doesnt always work.contact some through P411 and they STIILL want you to email them directly WTF???
If a provider invites anybody who calls to come visit them, sooner or later she'll meet a monster who will take advantage of her vulnerable position.
She is left with two remedies: get some muscle to watch over her, or screen. I know which one I'd prefer her to use.
can't imagine any TER members are like that.
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She is left with two remedies: get some muscle to watch over her, or screen. I know which one I'd prefer her to use.
'can't imagine any TER members are like that.'
Are you seriously that naive?
Yes, we talk to each other.
Yes, some TER men are bad apples.
Yes, one TER member that I know of and saw has beaten girls and has also been good with others - he was good with me. Then two months after seeing me he beat the shit out of a very well known TER girl. It then came out that he had done it to at least 6 others and they hadn't reported it.
I realize you were just asking a question but suffice it to say that not everyone who wants to see is is desirable. So we have references.
Sometimes a service like P411 is enough for a woman and sometimes it's not. It's just that simple. You will get something different as far as level of screening for each woman.
Stop asking why and just accept it. It seems you don't accept explainations anyway so why bother asking when you are deaf to the replies?
I guess should of said TER members who post on this forum.
He could of seen you, treated you well, another provider calls you to verify, you say he's ok then he still gets violent.what's the point of the verification then? if it happened that often, there wouldn't be any escorts at all.
"Stop asking why and just accept it. It seems you don't accept explainations anyway so why bother asking when you are deaf to the replies?"
The best way to avoid assumptions is to ask a question.
Are you seriously that naive?
Yes, we talk to each other.
Yes, some TER men are bad apples.
Yes, one TER member that I know of and saw has beaten girls and has also been good with others - he was good with me. Then two months after seeing me he beat the shit out of a very well known TER girl. It then came out that he had done it to at least 6 others and they hadn't reported it.
I realize you were just asking a question but suffice it to say that not everyone who wants to see is is desirable. So we have references.
Sometimes a service like P411 is enough for a woman and sometimes it's not. It's just that simple. You will get something different as far as level of screening for each woman.
Stop asking why and just accept it. It seems you don't accept explainations anyway so why bother asking when you are deaf to the replies?
He did post here and on other boards on TER a lot. He also had over 30 reviews.
No, references are not a perfect system but it's one of the ways we have to *minimize* the danger.
Name one thing in life that's perfect?
We all take a chance every time we meet. You as a client have our reviews to let you know about us. We have references, back ground checks and verification services. Even with these we can still run across a bad client. That can mean anything from being shorted to being killed.
If you meet a provider who has been in this business a long time without incident (like me - 9 years no LE and no harm to my person) you can bet she verifies. It is the best way to minimize your chances of a bad time.
She is left with two remedies: get some muscle to watch over her, or screen. I know which one I'd prefer her to use.
There are far worse things that can happen to a provider than getting busted. Good screening and reference checks at least give some measure of security. Your medical history is not available to these women and it's really not what they are looking for.
We on the phone confirm that client is registered to hotel under real name (we are discrete), that client is sober, and isn't... weird. We generally provide a driver, and while many guys think this means some huge black dude is going to thump the hell out of them, it's very different in reality. The driver is there for a fast, safe getaway. Getting the cash isn't nearly as important as saving a life. At least, it shouldn't be.
An agency is like the happy middle ground between an independent taking risks or a dirty pimp.
"The driver is there for a fast, safe getaway. Getting the cash isn't nearly as important as saving a life."
Jeez, I hope this isn't common.
Just my guess but I would be surprised if the number of "rude" clients was more than 1 in 10.
Baited questions where you want to joust in the controversy are usually done on the GD board.
This is the board where EXPERIENCED members take time to help noobs make a smooth entrance into the hobby. Not argue back and forth with someone who wants to challenge a hobby standard.
just my 2 cents
HalfHour
you're only "half" right.
example as to why we screen...
This is very serious for us ladies and should be for the guys as well. It really just amazes me that ladies and gents don't take this seriously.
I understand discretion and respect that. What it all boils down to is, if you don't like it move on and take the risks. Honestly, LE is a big enough scare for anyone. Do you really want to risk your family finding out? Trust me, if you get arrested it "IS" on the web for all to see.
Personally, I do check references. I would respect a lady more if she checked them out. Who is to say the Ok was not an accident? That has happened to many a lady in the past on those verification sites and to me. I love P411 and Date-check but I will check them out.
Every lady has their own way of doing things and that is to be respected. However, I would think more highly of a lady if she checked out the references, etc. Although there are ladies who are not reference friendly or the one who gets asked gets nasty. Sadly, that recently happened to me. I was very polite in my email to her and she was polite back. However, she emailed the client and chewed him out for going somewhere else. Are you kidding me? She just hurt herself big time!!!
Good luck and hope you don't get into a bad situation that you will regret later on..
they represent a very low threshold of reference. When a client submits his request for an okay, the provider must either confirm or deny it. If she denies giving the okay, she must give P411 a reason--either she didn't see you or you ripped her off, beat her up, etc. P411 doesn't allow her to ignore the request.
So, it's not like a totally voluntary recommendation. And I think It's understandable that many providers who use P411 still want to know a little more about you before agreeing to see you.
BTW, I'm saying this for the benefit of any newbies who happen to be looking on, not necessarily in response to anything posted by the OP.
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