Total newb here, but finding answers to most of my questions here on the Newbie Board. One thing I'm really puzzled about, though is why LFK/DFK is a menu item?  I mean with all the things that two people do to each other in this business, I would think that LFK was like shaking hands or ordering ice water in a restaurant.  I couldn't even think of being intimate with someone without at least some LFK.  Am I missing something here?

She decides what she wants to have on her menu. We decide if we want to pay her or not, or go elsewhere.

Kissing someone is too personal for some ladies and they may not want to do it with clients. Some ladies also have BFs and husbands, so they might want to keep certain activities for them.

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Dont lump the two together. Many ladies will LFK because as you state, its kind of the minimal thing most guys will accept in the biz. But some ladies do not kiss at all. I would say they are rare though, for the most part. DFK is a different ballgame. Its much more of a case by case basis with some women. Some women simply will not DFK the first time they will meet you but open up more the more often you see them. Just a comfort level thing. Hygiene is also a HUGE part of this issue. I cant tell you how important this is. If you want to improve your chances, be minty fresh for the lady. Many ladies now will offer mouthwash in their incall location but I still bring a travel size bottle with me just in case. And Curly is right. Sometimes it doesnt matter what you do. The lady may just only really open up to her man in the kissing department for thats one of the ways she differentiates between the two types of experiences; her private life and her in the biz life. Her choice is right.

or try and figure out  escorts, because it's just about impossible. And don't get me started on provider math!  As has already been mention, the ladies make the rules. Since it appears you are a big fan of dfk, you better do your research before you see a provider, otherwise you maybe disappointed. And don't assume if they say they're  GFE that means they dfk.  

..and the "well" part is very subjective. One thing I do not get with kissing men is the need, an almost genetic need to stick out their tongues like a spear and thrash it around. Kissing is the great kickoff to the main event. Even if you are minty fresh, the all out assault on her mouth may make some ladies dodge and weave to avoid kissing you.


Reasons for avoiding DFK:

Now, some ladies might like that jutting tongue approach complete with vigorous wiggling. Here's a good tip... follow her body language...if she is trying to put your tongue back in your mouth with hers so she can meet you in middle, back off a tad. Start slow and build up.

Swallow your saliva, just don't move it into her mouth.

ANd for the love of all things sexy, please don;'t just put your tongue in her mouth and leave it there. While some ladies might relish this, others will not and start the bob and weave to do anything but kiss.

NOTE: These tips are from my own experiences. I am not speaking for all escorts or all women for that matter.

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I'm a huge fan of DFK but struggle to get any. Any more advice on improving my chances would be appreciated.

I have great hygiene and I keep working to make it even better. At least twice a day I'm brushing my teeth, my tongue, and the roof on my mouth, and I'm also flossing and rinsing. I got a special tongue brush and tongue paste that works well.

I let providers know that I really like DFK and that I have great hygiene, and this seems to help open them up, but still their participation is limited. I'd love to have a woman stick her tongue in my mouth, but that rarely happens. Usually when I stick my tongue in a provider's mouth, she blocks it with the tip of her own tongue. I don't find this enjoyable.

Assuming as you say that hygiene is not an issue (and its more than just brushing/rinsing. Make sure you dont eat onions/garlic the day of your appt.) Many ladies also cut back their kissing with smokers. If none of the above is in play then think about this:

One, you might be too aggressive early on. Start with LFK for awhile, then work towards the DFK after the lady has been worked up for awhile.

Two, its possible since you only have 3 reviews, that its just the girls you have seen so far and that the numbers will average out for you over time and you will see more DFK friendly ladies.

Three, if it continues, and the ladies are known for DFK thru their reviews, dont hesitate to ask them, AFTER the session is over, what the issue was. Maybe wait to ask then in the last 5 minutes of your time together or better yet, ask the next day by email where they might be a little more open with you.

maybe you are just not a very good kisser. For instance:

"Usually when I stick my tongue in a provider's mouth, she blocks it with the tip of her own"

Kissing is just like any other sexual act, in that MOST women will respond much better if you approach it slowly and gently than just "sticking" anything anywhere. If what you are looking for is some kind of super-passionate tongue rape, like two teenagers exploring each other, you just might not be able to get that from a provider. Personally, I think that passionate kissing is harder to fake than passionate fucking, and face it - she's just not that into you to give you real passionate kissing.

Also, good breath does not just come from a clean mouth, but from your stomach as well. If your mouth is minty-fresh and you are burping garlic ( or something darker and nastier), no amount of toothpaste will help unless maybe you eat the whole tube.
BTW, I assume you know it is NOT a good idea to scrub your teeth and tongue shortly before a date, potentially opening the area to infection? Scrub/brush early morning and before bed, brush lightly and use mouthwash before a date.

Good luck.

Shoving your tongue in a mouth is possibly the reason why...especially if she is trying to push it back. There is such a thing as too much tongue.

Clearly this is something you must be doing as you are the common denominator. Other than hygiene, a guys kissing technique is another reason a provider can block or try and dodge kissing a guy.

to many men over 50 it very well is, so I say I don't offer it. If I can feel your tongue in my throat, that's not dfk to me....it's simply gross.

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But I sure do now....most men in my experience have this almost pathological need to shove and I mean shove a thick, wet tongue right into your mouth and vigorously wiggle their tongues around...good Lord, it is gross. I think they feel that if you can handle a dick in your mouth, a thrashing tongue must be nothing.
Two different things in my book.

And you're right in your assessment in men 50 plus...not good kissers in my experience...well there have been at least three that come to mind that are not that bad.

To me, DFK is about half of your tongue with some actual variation of open and closed mouths...think Reese Witherspoon and Mark Walberg in "Fear." That is how I kiss. LFK is hardly any tongue at all, but still very sensual. The problem here is not whether a provider offers DFK or not, but that some guys think it is totally different than what many of us think it is. That wiggle around, slobbering, bs is for dogs, not people.

I agree, that I want to be kissed by a man like a woman would do it lol. Some of these men need to watch lesbians in PERSON vs. porn to see how to kiss.

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Yep, dudes need kissing lessons. I have heard many a lady say she wishes men kissed more like women.

I personally think kissing is an art form and if a person can't kiss, the rest is gone to shit. It's a huge turn off having to deal with a nasty kisser. In fact I have almost perfected the kissing dodge and weave to limit the amount I have to do with really bad kissers.

I am sitting here trying to think back over the years if I remember being kissed badly by a woman and nothing comes to mind. But I can tell you, I will be seeing a horrible kisser tomorrow...nice, sweet man but uuuggghhhh, possibly the very worst I have even encountered.

Both of you crack me up! I guess DFK touched a sensitive nerve with you two.  My real question was what the big deal was about LFK in this business considering everything that two people do to one another.  Curley has good point about the BF issue and how LFK may be too personal.  I never thought of the whole BF/GF thing, but I guess that just me being Naive. I would have thought that LFK just went along with the whole intimacy thing, but I notice a some providers don't offer any kissing with tongue.  Perplexing.

It generally is pretty simple if you ask me.  In most cases, less is more.  I don't even like shoving my tongue into a woman's mouth.  It's WAY hotter when you're dealing with little probes here and there and maybe using your lips to tug on theirs lightly.  

Just like many guys brag how much the gal loved it (happens in civy life ALL the time) when they pounded her.  Bull.  For many women, you can't even hit the good spots with a "pounding."  Maybe I'm all wrong, but I've always looked at both kissing and fking as more of a massage involving differing pressures.....not an in and out pounding.  

IMO, guys watch too much porn.  But maybe I'm the freak....