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OCmadness 3904 reads
posted
1 / 31

I was just curious since some ads state no AA or POC. I assume Asians are included in the POC category. I fully respect the providers choice in this matter and if she doesn't want to see a particular type than I understand.

Debra_Hollander See my TER Reviews 207 reads
posted
2 / 31

But of course there are ladies with that restriction as well as those who specifiy "No Indian Men" or "White Gentlemen Only!" or any other rule based on race/ethnicity.  

Personally, I have zero preconceived notions about Asian men as a whole.  

There might be one or two I haven't met about whom I have QUITE a few ideas (lmao) but that's another issue entirely. ;-)

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GaGambler 165 reads
posted
3 / 31

You'd see me in a heartbeat and you know it Deb, but I promise not to tell anyone. lol

 
As for Asian guys being thrown into the POC pot, I have only once been refused an appointment for having slanted eyes and that was by an Asian provider.  I started to tell her "I am not THAT kind of Asian" but then I remembered my rule about "not begging to pay for pussy" and just saw someone else that day instead.

 
I have spent most of my adult life in the "deep, racist, south" and once upon a time, circa mid 1970's up through the early 80's I ran into quite a bit of overt racism towards myself as a "POC" but to perfectly honest about it, aside from the occasional redneck idiot, I don't see a lot of it anymore, and it doesn't even enter my mind when scheduling with a provider.

impposter 49 Reviews 170 reads
posted
4 / 31

Do I have that correct for POC? I'm a person of color. I even had a Crayola crayon called "flesh" color.  
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Crayola_crayon_colors

Posted By: OCmadness

I was just curious since some ads state no AA or POC. I assume Asians are included in the POC category. I fully respect the providers choice in this matter and if she doesn't want to see a particular type than I understand.
Over on S&P, I have repeatedly suggested that TER replace "ethnicity" with a combo of "Complexion" from a color chart PLUS "Cultural heritage" or "Country of Origin" or something like that.
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What color are you?

ShakingtheSheets 189 Reviews 188 reads
posted
6 / 31

Although many view hobbying as a pure business transaction (which at its core it is) , and as such every lady should see any client who meets her donation requirements, at the end of the day there is still an intimate component to it all.  

As such, ladies will only see clients they are physically comfortable with and will "discriminate" against hobbyists who don't fit their criteria. Over the years I have seen the following levels of "discrimination":  Refusal to see African American men. Refusal to see Indian Men. Refusal to see Middle Eastern men.  Refusal to see men under 40.  Refusal to see men over 50. Refusal to see men who write too many reviews as they don't want details made public.  Refusal to see men who don't always score 9's and 10's in every session. Refusal to see overly obese hobbyists. Refusal to see anyone who can't communicate (oral/ or written) clearly.  Refusal to see anyone who won't provide 3 references and their employment history. Refusal to see anyone who won't book for at least 2 hours...etc., etc.  

Yes, ladies will "discriminate" against hobbyists on many levels. But at the end of the day, never press the issue. Why beg someone to see you who really doesn't want to see you. Spend your hard earned cash on ladies who are excited to see you.

memphis90 29 Reviews 165 reads
posted
7 / 31

I agree. I have never felt discriminated against by any provider that I have seen. I usually book via P411 so I know they can see my profile before deciding to see me or not. Now I have had a few providers not even respond to a date request but that may be because they are busy or out of town. I have never had anyone state they would not see me because I'm Asian. Again I believe that every provider has a right to see anyone they like or deny anyone they do not like and have never pressed the issue with anyone.

ROGM 165 reads
posted
9 / 31

I'm Asian. I've never ever been turned down by a provider for being Asian. In fact being Asian helps a provider remember me much easier than the rest of her clients. It's nice to stand out among the rest of the white clients a provider has.

mrfisher 108 Reviews 158 reads
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10 / 31
digdirkler 91 Reviews 149 reads
posted
11 / 31

This is silly.  People are not randomly varied by skin tone.  Race is something that is easily detected from skeletons and from a swabs of cheek cells, and the DNA scans can even break down your percentages of each race if mixed, and subgroups within races.  Telling me someone is Caramel from Brazil doesn't tell me if they are a tanned person from ancestors who lived in Northern Europe for thousands of years (white), or a person who's ancestors were from Japan (East Asian) or if their ancestors were from Sub-Saharan Africa and Europe (mixed white-black mulatto) or from the ruling castes in Punjab, or mestizo mixture of American Indian and White.  Whereas one could look at all those persons and usually tell those deep ancestral backgrounds at a glance.  

Recent cultural or geographic background is also misleading.  People in the DC Metro of Sub-Saharan African ancestry (black) have HIV rates similar to Sub-Saharan Africa (very high on average) and those of Northern European or East Asian background (white and yellow) have rates similar to Northern Europe and East Asia ( low on average, except gays).   Being from 'DC' says something real and important, but not the same thing as where your ancestors were from for 1,000 generations.

Race is real, not a social construct. Race is not skin deep, and skin color is only one part of it, though used as a simplified proxy naming system ('white' is easier then 'pinkish unless tanned' and also 'of European ancestry')

digdirkler 91 Reviews 161 reads
posted
12 / 31

Any given provider could have any given quirk or restriction.  But No AA is common because of large average differences in violent crime and STD occurrence.  Given that Asians (both Indo-european/Caucasian 'south Asians" and yellow/Mongoloid 'east Asians') tend to be on the other end of that same spectrum (esp those immigrated to this country) it is unlikely they are included in the POC net... likely means AA and Latinos.

Its sort of like College Admissions... in theory Affirmative Action is to preferance "People of Color" over whites, but in reality Asians don't receive racial preferences, and blacks and Latinos do.

GaGambler 142 reads
posted
13 / 31

Men from the "sub continent" of Asia, most notably Indians and Pakistanis are often thrown into the "POC net" where it comes to hookers, but not so much where it comes to receiving racial "preference" like blacks and Latinos receive that whites and us "Yellow Asians" do not. Actually if your last name is Wang or Liu, you will find the opposite is true especially where it comes to getting into college. If we are to say the standard for a white person is 100, A black person might only need a score of 80, a Latino 90, but an Asian would need a 110.  

 
Aside from that, although many will call you a racist, you are usually spot on with your facts.

impposter 49 Reviews 158 reads
posted
14 / 31

Posted By: digdirkler
Re: Complexion and Culture/Country of Origin???
This is silly.
What is silly, even stupid, is TER's current use of "Ethnicity" as a Profile field. White? French? African American? German? Baltic?  Those are ethnicities?  THOSE ARE DESCRIPTORS THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO TELL US SOMETHING ** useful ** ABOUT WHO WE WILL MEET BCD. But those terms are full of ambiguities and inaccuracy.
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Some guys want to know something about appearance and associate peach colored skin with "white" and cocoa colored skin with "African American" BUT THAT IS NOT RELIABLE AT ALL! (As you say in your comments.)  For the guys interested in appearance, give them an UNAMBIGUOUS color / complexion descriptor from a color chart (see above).
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Some guys are interested in cultural background and personality and language skills. "White" says NOTHING about any of that.  She could be an uneducated Okie from Muskogee or an albino from Zimbabwe. Etc.. A cocoa colored Provider whose ancestors arrived in the US 100 years ago who grew up in Podunk, Middle America is almost certainly not "African" (no hyphenated -American) culturally. She probably speaks English very well and knows all the latest fads, movies and gossip. She is culturally American.  An immigrant or first-generation Sub-Saharan African living in DC is less culturally "American" but it would be up to the reviewer to choose the best descriptor (English so-so; didn't know a bunch of common idioms; ... Country of origin: Africa and Culture: African.  English excellent but accented; reads People magazine; can name all the judges on the SCOTUS ... Country of Origin: Africa but Culture: AMERICAN.)
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What do YOU think of the current "ethnicity" field? Why don't YOU suggest an improvement? As simple or complicated as you want. (You can suggest DNA-based genealogy testing, but that would be pretty useless as far as informing potential clients about the appearance and personality of that Provider.)
People are not randomly varied by skin tone.
Clients want to search Profiles and Reviews for a particular appearance and that includes complexion (color) or "SKIN TONE". Currently, the only way to come close to that is the ethnicity field. ADD A COMPLEXION FIELD AND AN UNAMBIGUOUS COLOR CHART!
Race is something that is easily detected from skeletons and from a swabs of cheek cells, and the DNA scans can even break down your percentages of each race if mixed, and subgroups within races.  Telling me someone is Caramel from Brazil doesn't tell me if they are a tanned person from ancestors who lived in Northern Europe for thousands of years (white), or a person who's ancestors were from Japan (East Asian) or if their ancestors were from Sub-Saharan Africa and Europe (mixed white-black mulatto) or from the ruling castes in Punjab, or mestizo mixture of American Indian and White.  Whereas one could look at all those persons and usually tell those deep ancestral backgrounds at a glance.    
   
 Recent cultural or geographic background is also misleading.  People in the DC Metro of Sub-Saharan African ancestry (black) have HIV rates similar to Sub-Saharan Africa (very high on average) and those of Northern European or East Asian background (white and yellow) have rates similar to Northern Europe and East Asia ( low on average, except gays).   Being from 'DC' says something real and important, but not the same thing as where your ancestors were from for 1,000 generations.  
   
 Race is real, not a social construct. Race is not skin deep, and skin color is only one part of it, though used as a simplified proxy naming system ('white' is easier then 'pinkish unless tanned' and also 'of European ancestry')
If you care to, please search for some of my other posts on this topic on S&P that actually discuss some of the things you mention.

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ROGM 164 reads
posted
15 / 31

At least from my point of view. We don't get the racial discrimination like other guys that are Hispanic and AA. Like I stated in my previous posting, I've never been turned away from seeing a provider for being Asian.  

GaGambler 192 reads
posted
17 / 31

As for being Asian, I bet you have eaten enough Asian pussy that your eyes probably do slant at least a little bit by now. lol

digdirkler 91 Reviews 183 reads
posted
18 / 31

I knew there Asians, of both sorts, receive negative racial preferences in college admissions, unlike other "POC".  And when people talk about police and POC everyone is talking about blacks and Latinos there too... why, because Asians commit less crime on average than we honkies, not more, so cops are less suspicious, not more.

What is news to me is the Hookers screen out South Asian/ Indian men along with Blacks and Latinos?  Wonder why?   In India itself there is very high disease presence, almost as bad as Africa, but whereas American blacks are very similar to Africans in STD's, the Indians who have immigrated to staff the IT economy are mostly upper class Brahmins and their STD profile (I would imagine, never saw a stat on this) would follow their crime and income averages...I'd think.   Maybe its coming from an extremely caste bound and sexist society, so they treat women and working women in particular (prostitute has to be pretty low caste work) worse on average???  If so, one would expect to see "No Arab/Muslim Men" all the time, the ultimate misogynist and abusive culture, but I don't.

In fact, the reality is I almost NEVER, in the DC region at least, see anyone but AA/Blacks screened.  Indians never, Latinos very rare.  Why?  Well even if Latinos are 2-3 the white rate of violence and STD's... that's nothing compared to blacks.  6-10 times the rates of everyone else combined for violent crime and STD's makes blacks a class to themselves.

digdirkler 91 Reviews 140 reads
posted
19 / 31

I think the current system works pretty well.  Probably because it follows our cultural norms... anyone speaking English with an American accent and with near 100% European ancestry is White, but if they have a strong accent they become 'Russian' or 'German' etc.  Latina's vary in racial makeup, but all speak Spanish... if they don't, and look white, then they are White.  Latinas often advertise country of origin which helps too (everyone knows African American descendants of slaves (Michelle Obama) versus African Immigrants (Barack Senior) or first generation (President Barack Junior) are all  lumped together in common usage and the census... note that Barack was the first 'Black' president, unqualified, even though half white and 0% slave ancestry.

If you have a particular skin tone taste or fetish,  look at the pictures.  Hair color highly correlates too... if you like milky pale, search for redheads, honey tan look for blondes.   For blacks, their ads usually say 'mixed' for, well, mixed race lighter skin girls.  Pictures will help you find the coal black girls if that's your thing.

Basically, for most TER users, race and hair color and rough body info gets them close enough to look at individual data.   Adding lots of precise skin tone complexity seems like If It Ain't Broke, Don't Fix It.

ChristineGFE See my TER Reviews 238 reads
posted
21 / 31

Ok, you are just super sexy in my mind.

 
I am going to begin think of a trip to LA. And I have a proposal. We both win.

 
We will meet, two hours. Who ever has the most orgasm gives Gag favorite charity ( exclude himself, real charity ) 200.00. If its a tie, then fine we will just drink more wine.

 
Lets me know if you are willing, it will be fun.

GaGambler 172 reads
posted
22 / 31

You don't see "No Arab/Muslim Men" on internet ads, but I bet you If you start asking providers about their "least favorite" clients and the ones on their personal DNS lists you will find an inordinate number that state Arab/Muslim/Indian/Paki are at the top of their lists, and yes in those cases it's more of a cultural than racial bias, and in many of those cases it's a "learned bias" from numerous bad experiences and not a "prejudice" at all emphasis on the "pre" in prejudice.

Like you, I don't mean to be a racist, but I have to agree the facts do speak for themselves.

ChristineGFE See my TER Reviews 157 reads
posted
24 / 31

I can attest to what Gag says from a much different point of view.  

 
Most Arabs/ Paki/ Indian men do not vacation for fucking in america. In Asia, its short flight, cheap and cheap hotels in sex tourist hotspot. Some of those men save their money for two years to afford a 3 day sex vacation. And they are less than real about their hygiene and expectations. In general from my experience, they are very bossy, very arrogant, and very rude to women. Women are looked at as a lower person on their home life, most of the time.

 
For every American in the Philippines on sex vacation there are 10 Indian and Paki. I think my experience about what to expect when coming in contact with them speak for itself. Here in the US maybe totally different. But also here in US most are not coming here to meet hooker, they either live here and are slightly americanized, or its not primary reason they are here.  

 
If you present well in screening, smell good or clean at least and are not a jerk thats fine. But its funny, I have never had  bad session with a AA from the US, UK or OZ. So different here.

impposter 49 Reviews 158 reads
posted
25 / 31

Posted By: digdirkler
Re: Skin color preferance
I think the current system works pretty well.
I disagree. Even from ISO postings, some guys are looking for a particular complexion (color). Using "ethnicity," you get too many hits to have to check every ad picture to see her skin tones. I've met Asians who vary from coconut to cocoa. (See color chart above.) Brazilians run the gamut from coconut to espresso. Someone looking for espresso (a recent ISO request), will be clicking every AA Profile link and still miss out on the Brazilians in that category.  SOME GUYS WANT TO BE ABLE TO SEARCH ON "color" NOT "race".
 
Probably because it follows our cultural norms... anyone speaking English with an American accent and with near 100% European ancestry is White, but if they have a strong accent they become 'Russian' or 'German' etc.  Latina's vary in racial makeup, but all speak Spanish... if they don't, and look white, then they are White.  Latinas often advertise country of origin which helps too (everyone knows African American descendants of slaves (Michelle Obama) versus African Immigrants (Barack Senior) or first generation (President Barack Junior) are all  lumped together in common usage and the census... note that Barack was the first 'Black' president, unqualified, even though half white and 0% slave ancestry.  
   
 If you have a particular skin tone taste or fetish,  look at the pictures.
Loading dozens of ad pics when a simple, unambiguous "complexion" field in TER can save a lot of time and trouble?
Hair color
There's a hair color field in the Profiles. Why not get rid of that and just let guys keep clicking on links to ad pics?
highly correlates too... if you like milky pale, search for redheads, honey tan look for blondes.   For blacks, their ads usually say 'mixed' for, well, mixed race lighter skin girls.  Pictures will help you find the coal black girls if that's your thing.  
   
 Basically, for most TER users, race and hair color and rough body info gets them close enough to look at individual data.   Adding lots of precise skin tone complexity seems like If It Ain't Broke, Don't Fix It.
"Lots of precise skin tone complexity" is pretty simple to add.  A color bar (sample swatches) and radio buttons under each sample.  Code for that is all over the internet. (One button only when submitting a review; "check all that apply" when SEARCHING reviews.)
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Hay, Smartie. I can't tell from the indents. Were you talking to me or to digdirkler? Your comments seem directed at dd but the indent is under my post. I'm not a Social Justice Warrior. I just want a better way to Search Reviews and get better results.

impposter 49 Reviews 170 reads
posted
26 / 31

Posted By: lopaw
Re: I lustfully accept and am very much looking forward to it! -e-
I think this contest needs an impartial referee and scorekeeper. And, whoever wins, I will kick in another $$ to the charity.  
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We'll need to arrange particulars. I will also have to gather some background info from each of you in order to be able to detect reals versus fakes.  
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I do not question your honesty or honor. I will be there to defend and uphold it!
Wait a second. ... Hasn't lopaw already posted, either to the boards or in her reviews, that she is usually one-and-done?
If you want me to bring more than just a whistle, let me know in advance.

impposter 49 Reviews 170 reads
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28 / 31



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ROGM 137 reads
posted
30 / 31

Posted By: LillianWest
Re: I have never met a provider who had anything bad to say about Asian clients. eom
That's because we're nice to providers. My new young white provider introduced me to her mom and close friend recently. No hint of any racial bias. She introduced me as her friend. Her mom and close friend were fine with that. I'm sure this girl likes me. Awesome!!!!  

digdirkler 91 Reviews 98 reads
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31 / 31

OK, sure.  I doubt there are many who need a search for this exact metric, but why not

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