So I am thinking about joining P411 but what is some basic information about it and is it worth it? I had someone ask me why I was not on the website, I just never saw the reason to join but if it's a site worthy then I will give it a try. I am just confused on how many references I need and is it only from providers or clients?

but seems like a lot of people on both sides have accounts there.

I think if you just go out to the site and click on the About Us link you'll answer all your basic questions about how or what -- yes both providers and clients, looks like providers get free membership (at some level at least, didn't dig, so that's like TER).

I'll leave it to the providers to tell you the value of the site from that perspective but it seems that you at least have a client base that you know has been vetted at some level if they have an account and are contracting you through the site. (Which should not be taken as 100% but you know that already I would guess)

I was on P411 professionals and websites were crying and bitching about me to Gina

You can just go to the preferred411 site, and read the info for providers there to see what it's about and what you need to join. However here is a little general info. It is free for providers, but clients have to pay to be members. Providers can get on p411 with 3 reviews (which you have) or by a reference from a p411 client member in good standing.  

P411 is a verification site. It makes screening easier. A client member can receive "okays" from provider members he has seen. A provider member can check out how many okays a client has, and who gave them. It is also basically another free ad site for providers. You can pay to have upgraded ads (top listings, animated ads, visiting ads) but your basic profile there is free.  

I would definitely say it is a "worthy" site and I have personally helped a number of new providers get on the site.

As I was getting into the hobby (fairly recently), I followed the general advice about joining P411.  So I paid their price (think it was around $75) and got verified.  Frankly so far I feel like it has been a total waste of money.  None of the providers I've seen have asked for it, in fact, when I told one I was verified on P411, she asked "what is that?" As for using it to find providers, I don't care for it that way either.  There are a couple of reasons.  First the site design is annoying.  The pictures of the providers are very small, and there's nothing there to enlarge them.  Additionally, at least for my area I generally find that the providers listed there are a bit too pricey and for the most part not my type -- I prefer young spinner types.

It's actually 129  a year for membership, but don't you think that 129, could have saved you from this? SMH

Well he is new and clearly doesn't know how to approach research or what some warning signs are, like the pricing for a full escort service that he seems to want. I don't think you're get anything beyond coyote ugly at 150/hr.

Seems like he doesn't see himself as a newbie any longer. One might think that with the batting average he's got he might rethink his attitude (even if getting a bit of rough treatment in the general forum -- maybe should have started here?) .

Because your entire post reveals you to be a true Newbie.
1) If none of the women you've been seeking are in P411 that may mean you are going for lower-end providers.  What do you usually pay?
2) Unlike you, I find the site's design perfectly fine.  As for the pictures being too small, did you try to use the zoom function of your computer?  I just did and can make the photos fill the entire screen of my MacBook Air.  Also, most women on that site have their own web site with plenty of pictures. Try going to those sites. If you are seeing women who don't have a web site, that's another indication you are bottom feeding.
Good luck.

and those who responded to you. You are not doing things right at all if you truly believe P411 doesn't help you. I would question any provider who isn't on that site. You are doing no research either when contacting ladies. You admit to this. It is not good for you to give advice to others when you are the newbie and not having good experiences.

BTW, the photos on P411 do get bigger. I am not sure why you would need them bigger than that.

I do suggest you be on this board more and ask questions so that you can have better experiences.

The reason that it's worth it to join P411 is because you can communicate very easily with ladies to verify clients and all guys are screened anyway.  

ill let you know how it goes!

I totally rely on p411 when I set up a date.

I have about 30 favorites on my p411 account and I'll usually schedule one of them.

If I'm looking for a new provider on p411 I just browse through their profiles and when I see a provider that has the look, rates & availability - along with listed TER reviews - I'm interested in I'll look at her reviews on TER. (If she doesn't have TER reviews I move on)  If things look good on TER I'll book a date, or at the minimum add her to my favorites list on p411.

Every date I've had the past few years has been from using the p411/TER combination.  Its worked well for me.  I make my initial contact by sending a pm on p411, that way all the provider has to do is to look at my profile and the Okays I've received and she can start her screening.  In this regard  I think p411 works very well for both parties.

The way I do it a provider not listed on p411 wouldn't be on my radar.  Nothing against providers who don't use p411, but the formula of TER augmented by p411 has made the pre-date communications very easy and I am of the opinion that once the original communications and screening is accomplished the dates just seem to get off to a great start.  p411 works great for me as an initial screening tool and once I back it up with the info I get on TER I feel pretty confident going into a session.

I used to do it in reverse. I used to browse the provider's profiles on TER and then cross reference them to p411.  The problem with that is that there a lot of providers that have a TER profile but do not have a p411 link in their profile - even though that some of those without a p411 link on their TER profile do in fact have an account on p411.

Anyway, I know this was a little long winded but I thought I post a few of the things that have worked for me so any newbies reading this might get some ideas about how to align an approach of their own.

To answer the OPs question p411 is completely worth it, at least in my case, and an indispensable component of my routine in making a date with so many wonderful ladies in Las Vegas.

As a provider, it gives me important information about potential clients; like allergies and personal preferences that some clients may not know to share or feel comfortable divulging in an email or over the phone to still, a virtual stranger.
Also, it lets my potential interests know what they may or can not expect in sharing time together.
So in my eyes P411 saves time, aligns expectations and provides legitimacy for and about the people with whom I'm potentially meeting.
I think it's a great investment in time and coin.
If you want to try it out, there's a link on my site for a free six month trial.

Good post.  Newbies should take heed.  You need to use P411 in combination with TER and you will typically find that who you meet ends up being who you expected.  I think that P411 was the best thing that I did in this hobby.   It really allows you to use your head and not make those hormonal decisions that sometimes lead to that disappointing provider that shows up.