... that myself, xyz, and perfectstorm keep trying to explain to you. Maybe I'm wrong and you get it, but it doesn't appear that way.
The guy who writes the VERY FIRST review for a provider is the one who sets all the answers to her profile. So, for example, if he doesn't have anal sex with the provider, nor ask her if she provides it then he will most likely set the answer to that question as "Don't Know".
Now, if the next 20 reviews all say she does anal and all 20 reviewers click the "Yes" answer to that question on her profile page when they fill out their review, it will make no difference. HER PROFILE IS SET FROM THE FIRST REVIEWER ... PERIOD. IT WILL STILL READ "DON"T KNOW" WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT. Someone will need to fill out a problem report to have it changed.
Yes, admin could change it on their own from the text in her subsequent reviews and from the reviewers response to those profile questions. However, for whatever reason it is not done that way. Basically, filling out those questions after a profile has already been established is a complete waste of time. It seems like you are under the impression that if you are the 5th (or any number other than first) guy to write a review and you answer the profile questions differently then the first reviewer that admin will change her profile. THAT IS NOT THE CASE. You, another monger, or the provider must fill out a problem report to have it changed.
This is one reason you consistently see the guys say to READ the reviews. The "juicy details" will let you know exactly what services the lady currently provides. Your complaint could also work the other way. Sometimes the gal will no longer do BBBJ or anal, yet her profile will say she does because she did it with her first reviewer years or months before.
And no, I wasn't around "back then". I'm only 40.
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Is there a way to go to a providers profile and then start a review and have the basic review info already filled out? Sort of a template?
What piece of information in the review links it to the correct provider? Does someone at TER look at it and list it on the correct providers profile? My concern is I fill out a review and suppose I make a typo in the providers name or something then how will it get credited to the right person? I didn't see anywhere in the review form to put in the providers TER id number.
Did I miss something? Thanks.
1) You must fill out the profile each time even though TER will not change what's already there. There is no template. The only way to change profile info is if you file a Problem Report.
2) Who knows. Once you submit it, the Review Gods do whatever they do and all you'll ever know is if it's accepted or rejected.
3) If it's rejected there will be a note explaining why and you can contact TER with any questions that raises.
4) You are correct that there's no place to put the provider's TER ID number. I always include it after her handle, just in case there's any question.
The last several weeks guys, I've read a lot of reviews, and I know some people put emphasis on profiles, some don't, and some are very cynical about reviews, but my experience has been that while I'm sure some are inflated and some make be faked among the tens of thousands, that for the most part among reviewers in my locale. they are pretty accurate and helpful. The profiles are a whole other situation.
I've also seen people on different boards jump when they get mad at someone's politics or a couple flames are thrown because it often seems to be a sport on internet threads/boards to immediately resort irrationally to saying "your reviews are fake" when they are accurate and there really is no incentive for a lot of guys doing reviews to "fake" them, especially because you want the other clients to have a decent experience, and when the provider has made every effort to give you a good experience or "gone the extra mile.", you think you should say so. And if there is a ripoff experience, and a classical example would be to jump on a BP ad with no reviews (i.e. no research which may be a mistake that happens more often with newbies who haven't discovered using a site like TER that enables research.
What I have noticed though, and this could be fixed in a number of ways, is that many times key questions on the profile are answered "I don't know" when the review gives every indication that the reviewer does know because he says he has been there and gotten the service. Letting TER know that profiles are incomplete or inaccurate or there is a mismatch in the profile and the review,by clicking the button doesn't seem to make much difference though nor does emailing TER. I have also seen several times in the last few months, that well regarded providers with a lot of favorable reviews have said that they check their profiles, and if they find something they don't think is accurate, they contact TER to get the profile updated/and accurate.
TER seems to have a non-intuitive way of handling the profiles and a bit tone deaf if you point out the profiles were replete with "don't knows" when the reviewer says they do know, or else is just lazy and doesn't pay much attention to the profiles.
I'm not sure why say after several reviews that have profile information in the review, TER leaves the profiles with 5-10 "don't knows" when they could use the review to update and make the profile accurate, but often that doesn't get done.
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Sounds like you are saying that TER doesn't accept problem reports. I have submitted well over 200 problem reports, and maybe 6 of those were not approved.
The reason for the "don't knows" in the profile, is that probably the first reviewer did not receive the service and he filled out "don't know." if subsequent reviewers did receive the service and nentioned it in the juicy details, you can send in a problem report saying, "suzy's profile says "don't know" for DFK, but the last 2 reviews mention DFK." Simple as that. TER will update the profile and give you 2 free days. The problem report system works just fine. Not sure why yours are not getting accepted. Maybe because your problem reports are as long as your posts here? They are meant to be short and to the point.
Now if the provider can submit a problem report and change it back to "don't know" if she wants it to be a YMMV thing. If something on the profile says "no" then most clients will not expect it. If it says "yes," then most clients will expect it. If it says "don't know," it could mean "no" or it could be YMMV. Some ladies like it that way.
perfectstorm--
What I wrote was absolutely true, and I can back it up easily.
1) All were "accepted" just not acted on or replies back. It doesn't look like I said they weren't accepting them to me, I said they don't respond to them much of the time when information is left out of the profile that is included in the review that is linked to the same profile.
2) My point was, and I'll repeat it that the mismatches often occur when the client die receive the service according to his review, yet he left a "don't know" in the profile and TER didn't press him to correct it. It's not infrequent for TER to park a something they want you to tweak or correct for a review and then it get's immediately accepted.
3)All my problem reports and identical emails to TER admin/support were short and on point. 4 sentences average so you made an assumption not in evidence there. You're never forced to read ssomething that looks to lengthy for you to metabolize. Your choice there.
4) Mismatches are in fact, very frequent--I could copy many where the info is in the review but left out of the profile as a "don't know" for you in seconds. All you have to do is start reading a few reviews from your locale or other locales. Services that say "I don't know" and major services like "Kiss" that are deal breakers for many people who have posted on different boards including this one are talked about in reviews.
4) A lot of the don't knows are because some reviewers find the form too detailed--or at least they've written that they have, so they don't pay a lot of attention to the profile.
5) In fact, few are updated when there are mismatches, and a number of providers have mentioned they update theirs but notice a lot of mismatches as well between profiles and reviews.
6) You wrote: "you can send in a problem report saying, "suzy's profile says "don't know" for DFK, but the last 2 reviews mention DFK." Simple as that. TER will update the profile and give you 2 free days. The problem report system works just fine. Not sure why yours are not getting accepted."
That's precisely what I've done about 12 times and I never got a response. They were listed iunder MY TER as "still open" and they'll probably stay that way forever. Why is a great question
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7) Some ladies may like it that way, (no news or special insight there), but TER and those ladies ought to have no trouble stating that in the profile if the ladies are changing the profile. If the provider were to change back the profile to a don't know to indicate she want's YMMV, and I doubt that's happening to the vast majority of don't knows for major services most clients expect, not more peripheral ones, then TER should designate that she indicated YMMV. In a climate where it's axiomatic you don't discuss services provide over the phone, although I actually saw someone who just posted an ad on the ad board for my locale invite people to discuss services over the phone, which most providers would never do for obvious reasons to a new client which made me suspect the post for a "new agency" there, if a provider takes the time to send a problem report to incidate YMMV, there is no reason why TER shouldn't explicitly state that in the profile.
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The FIRST reviewer sets the services on a profile. Maybe he didn't know ... maybe he didn't care enough and just filled it out as quickly as possible. You can't tell how any future reviewers filled in those questions because the profile was already set. Admin could feasibly change the profile based off of each new review but for whatever reason they don't.
Fill out a problem report. If they change it, great. If they don't, BFD. If a monger actually reads the reviews, he will know everything he needs too. If he doesn't read them, too bad for him. Not my problem ... not your problem.
There is no YMMV option or place to say the provider changed it. There are a million things they could add besides those things as well. The system works fine as is. I don't want to spend 12 hours filling out a form because I fucked someone. You seem to be trying to reinvent the wheel and at the very least, this is a thread for the policy board.
...policy board but it's a good one for here as well. Since all of this is good info for newbies and it gives them differing points of view so they can make the best use of what they know and how they will apply it.
Nope ddp71 (if you were addressing your post to me)--it's hard to tell.
1) I'm not trying to "reinvent the wheel."
2) I'm trying to keep people from being so lazy that a substantial percentage of profiles are archaic and worthless in conveying important information.
3) This is a typical profile where the profile is completely contradicted by the reviews consistently so there is no ymmv factor. It's completely worthless as to information on services and completely contradicted by the reviews, and it's very typical:
Masage quality, CIM, touch pussy, kiss are services marked "don't know." Multiple pops were allowed according to every review on this provider and most providers in fact during at least 60 minutes. Yet the profiles always say "don't know" while the reviews always recount multiple pops. This may be the majority of reviews on TER in fact.
I imagine you're implying no clients try to receive massages, CIM, to touch pussy, kiss or get multiple pops. But you'd be dead wrong. And all the reviews say you're dead wrong if that's what you're implying. And I imagine you're implying that providers who are wiling to provide anal don't provide these mainstream services either and you'd be dead wrong. And this profile replete with don't knows for basic services, is typical. I also don't know how you construed anything I remarked on remotely requiring you to spend 12 hours or actually more than 1.2 minutes filling out the profile, because it takes most of us less than that. So you sure pushed the hyperbole/hysteria button with that assertion. And I've already written off the profiles as worthless long ago, but most of the reviews that are consistent are helpful. I was just pointing out that a very substantial percentage of the profiles are so overloaded with don't knows for basic services, they aren't any use. And you've shared your response to that as "BFD" and that's your privilege.
I've moved past the exercise of filling out problem reports because it proved to be a complete waste of my time.
This is a very typical representative profile that is completely mismatched by the reviews.
massage No
massage quality Don't know
sex Yes
s&m No
blow job Yes - With condom
cum in mouth Don't know
touch pussy Don't know
lick pussy No
kiss Don't know
anal Yes
two girl action Don't know
will bring second provider Don't know
more than one guy at a time Don't know
full, no-rush session Yes
multiple pops allowed Don't know
rimming Don't know
Thanks for using the word "monger. " English was one of my majors, and I haven't seen that word used in a sentence since 18th century novels like Henry Fielding and Samuel Richardson wrote. Unless you want to cite "Spider Man" and his use of the word Ironmonger. But monger alone, wow, that's really a blast out of the 18th century past. Were you around then?
... that myself, xyz, and perfectstorm keep trying to explain to you. Maybe I'm wrong and you get it, but it doesn't appear that way.
The guy who writes the VERY FIRST review for a provider is the one who sets all the answers to her profile. So, for example, if he doesn't have anal sex with the provider, nor ask her if she provides it then he will most likely set the answer to that question as "Don't Know".
Now, if the next 20 reviews all say she does anal and all 20 reviewers click the "Yes" answer to that question on her profile page when they fill out their review, it will make no difference. HER PROFILE IS SET FROM THE FIRST REVIEWER ... PERIOD. IT WILL STILL READ "DON"T KNOW" WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT. Someone will need to fill out a problem report to have it changed.
Yes, admin could change it on their own from the text in her subsequent reviews and from the reviewers response to those profile questions. However, for whatever reason it is not done that way. Basically, filling out those questions after a profile has already been established is a complete waste of time. It seems like you are under the impression that if you are the 5th (or any number other than first) guy to write a review and you answer the profile questions differently then the first reviewer that admin will change her profile. THAT IS NOT THE CASE. You, another monger, or the provider must fill out a problem report to have it changed.
This is one reason you consistently see the guys say to READ the reviews. The "juicy details" will let you know exactly what services the lady currently provides. Your complaint could also work the other way. Sometimes the gal will no longer do BBBJ or anal, yet her profile will say she does because she did it with her first reviewer years or months before.
And no, I wasn't around "back then". I'm only 40.
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Thanks ddp71,
A number of you have explained it and I do understand, and this last post was very clear and this underscores why I don't pay much attention to profiles, but focus on the review.
...I have never had TER not respond to a problem report I filed. They have responded in a day or two at the most (usually much sooner) and the change was made. Once or twice it took some back and forth but it was done. Every case was where my experience with the provider was different from what the profile said or it was a "Don't know". If I felt it was necessary I would site other reviews to back up my report but I always based the report on my experience. I checked with the provider to be sure it wasn't a case of her wanting it to be a YMMV situation in regard to the "Don't knows".
I have had providers tell me that guys have an easier time getting TER to respond to problem reports and actually make the change. All I can say about that is what I stated above. I have never had an issue with the process.
Part of the problem in my estimation is the fact that the first reviewer sets the profile and a problem report is required to change it. The next reviewer can't change it by simply putting the correct response on the form when he fills it out. He or someone must fill out a problem report.There are some parts of the profile the client won't know if he didn't receive that service unless he asks. Could be some just don't want to deal with it. But once it's set I believe many just don't bother. They know that it won't change anything when they fill it out and they don't want to deal with a problem report so it never changes. I'll note here again that Admin has stated they are looking into this.
Jeff if you have some that are still open You need to ask them what's up with that? I'd be raising some hell if I were being ignored like that.
Hi xyz23--
How have you been? Thanks for your response. TER has always responded to an email, and when I emailed them about what I'm calling mismatches and serial don't knows in profiles, they suggested I file a problem report and did not respond to the problem report they don't email you they've done something with a problem report--they leave you to go fetch whether they have or not), and I mean for services that most clients are seeking like "Kiss", and many will deem it a dealbreaker if reviews say that service isn't available.
Here is a very representative profile on a reasonably popular provider where "don't know" is the theme of the profile, but the reviews indicate the reviewer does know. I think the reason for most of these is laziness, and TER could/should restructure the profile answers required to fill in:
massage No
massage quality Don't know
sex Yes
s&m No
blow job Yes - With condom
cum in mouth Don't know
touch pussy Don't know
lick pussy No
kiss Don't know
anal Yes
two girl action Don't know will
bring second provider Don't know
more than one guy at a time Don't know
full, no-rush session Yes
multiple pops allowed Don't know
I find it very very hard to believe that most everyone that sees this particular provider is not trying to kiss her, or touch her pussy, massage nearly everything they can reach on the provider, or spend time DATY services that reviews indicate are performed most frequently by most successful providers, and note that this particular provider provides anal. While two girl action certainly exists, and is sought, it's sought a minority of the time probably due to budget constraints of most clients or many guys don't want two girl action--they'd rather focus on one girl at a time. That would apply to more than one guy at a time. The majority of the mismatches absolutely report multiple pops experienced yet the profile linked often says "don't know."
The reviewer most likely simply doesn't feel like filling out all those "blanks."
I keep the problem report short and sweet exactly the way perfectstorm illustrated. I find it a bit ridiculous when someone confronts you with "you're not telling the truth" as the title of their post LOL but, whatever. Sometimes I've noticed on these threads, the guys want to show the girls how aggresive they can be with a flame. What motivation would I have to take the time to make a post that was fiction as to mismatches, and I can post thousands of mismatches in reviews if I wanted to take that time, and I really don't for perfectstorm's benefit. In fact the "don't knows" I just pasted are a colossal mismatch for this particular provider and contradicted by most of her reviews, so this is typical and it's not a YMMV situation at all and neither are most that I've seen.
You said you're only reporting a problem report, if you check with a provider to see if it's a ymmv situation. Many of us don't have the time to try to track down a provider we haven't seen or don't know just to ask about that, and frankly, I'm not sure a lot of providers you might approach that you haven't seen would be up for responding to a question about a profile--it does get into territory where if ***you don't know/haven't seen*** a provider, you're asking explicit questions that many have said they aren't about to answer and would end a conversation on the phone or even in an email.
Many of us are, of course looking at a review to research a provider we're interested in seeing or become interested in seeing after viewing their web site, their pics, and reading their reviews/seeing their profiles. I would say DFK isn't often a service a client won't know if he received unless he asks. Most clients --probably upwards above 98% will usually try to get that service.
I believe a lot of the "don't knows" are simply due to laziness, and there are ways that TER could easily stop the "don't knows" for basic services. And as many reviews as we've both read when there are a considerable number of reviews, I don't see very much indication for basic services most clients want that YMMV. The reviews on most "well reviewed providers" are pretty explicit about the services I'm looking for answers on every time there is a review.
Again, there are a lot of "don't knows" where the review answers the question that the don't know didn't, and those are the mismatches I'm zeroing in on. You can say "Well, if the reviewers all say the service is performed, why do you care what the profile says?" but they ought to be consistent. TER could streamline the "form" that people have to fill out to submit a review profile, and that would both increase the number of reviews, and provide more information.
I think a lot of people don't want to bother to write reviews on providers they've seen for a number of reasons. Maybe some don't want to share their experience. A small percentage of the time, some providers don't want reviews for their own reasons, but that's a very small percentage.
I know, and I imagine you know providers who are very popular, yet the number of reviews is surprisingly minimal and this has been mentioned frequently in the last 6 months on threads by providers.
Thanks again for your response.
...TER not responding to a Problem report. I misspoke there. My meaning was they had made the change when I checked the profile to see if it had been done. On the one or two occasions where it went back and forth when the change wasn't made initially then it was a "contact us" and they did respond. I don't file problem reports on providers I haven't seen so them discussing these things with me is not an issue and a simple PM or e-mail is all it takes. I know some members use problem reports to earn VIP days and just file whenever they see something but I don't.
I do think the first reviewer should take the time to get it right. Ultimately it's on the reviewers to get it right. There have been many posts about that from time to time.
With the example you gave I'm curious how does her profile stack up against her first review?
Yep Very Good question xyz--
The profile is nearly always completely contradicted by the first, middle, andlast reviews in my experience of reading a lot of reviews the last three months, because early on I didn't do any research, and I got burned badly (and I posted two reviews to warn others), but in one case people didn't research and keep falling prey to "Eva" who moves around and if you read her reviews, all but one that I think she set up, say verbatim the exact same thing about her. This is not to be confused with providers named Eve.
In some sense, I agree I might be making a mountain out of a molehill if people aren't bothered by profiles that are pretty worthless. As I said a minute ago, I've pretty much written the profiles off as no help at all given that most of the items say "don't know" and the reviewer absolutely knows and says he knows in the review time after time.
And I appreciate there is a policy suggestion board, but after all, I agree with you, sometimes discussion here or in the general or local boards necessarily will overlap and hit the same subjects, and I agree airing them out with everyone having the right to express different opinions is healthy and just because people have different opinions doesn't mean that there is an absolutely right way here.
And as has been expressed in a lot of ways, the "hobby" is not exactly a precise science. It leans a lot more to an art, and there are more than one way for providers and clients to approach it, or can I use the phrase "skin a cat" no puns.
Thanks.
if you send them in the way you said.
From my personal experience, the problem report system works just fine. As I said earlier, I have sent in well over 200 problem reports and all but about 6 were approved.
But haven't responded to my points about the profiles not being accurate.
You are correct there is No template and there is no specific place for you to enter her TER ID#. It is a pain in the ass to do that form completely every time. Inicky gave a good suggestion about where to include the provider's TER ID#. I write the provider's TER ID# in the first sentence of my General Details so the TER review approval people can't miss it. (Ex: This review is for Jiahna TER ID# 123456.) Since I began doing this I have had no problems having the review attributed to the correct provider. It makes it obvious to the TER member reading the review who it's for as well. I began doing this because I wrote a review for a provider that had over 100 reviews and TER gave her a completely new profile and TER ID# when they approved and posted my review. (Took a few days to get that straightened out.) I got the idea from another TER member that said he had been doing this for some time because of a similar occurrence. If the provider is new and has no TER profile I make that the first sentence of the General details. (Ex: Jiahna is a new provider and this is her first review.)
There is hope. This issue comes up often here on the Newbie board and on the Suggestion & Policy board. Admin did respond to a post on the Suggestion & Policy board and said they were considering making a change in regard to this. I hope they do.
one with a previous review and the one that I am currently writing.
Then, as much as possible, I copy and paste from the existing review to the new:
Name, website info, phone number etc.
It would be a welcome change if TER could find a way to streamline the review process. Might possibly even generate more reviews where currently people are deterred.
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..I know many have stated that's what they do.
I've never bothered with the provider's TER number. Admin will figure out by the name and the provider's ads/website that you must include. On the rare occasions they miss it and start a new profile, don't worry ... there will be hundreds of guys filling out a problem report to have them merged within a few hours to get those 2 free days of VIP.
I know of a few cases where the provider had two profiles and one case she had three. It's always simpler to get it right the first time.
I WILL have gotten it right the first time. If admin starts a 2nd or 3rd profile, that is their mistake ... it will get corrected eventually. The world will not end.
I respect your point that you get the profile right the first time, but a lot of people aren't as careful as you are with theirs. I try to get the profile right as well, and given the small number of reviews I've done so far, I have.
And of course, it's not that big a deal after all, and the world isn't going to end.
I try to key on consistent reviews, and not worry too much about the profiles, anymore and I was just pointing out why
...to disagree. I think it's right to do all I can to ensure the proper outcome. That's why I put the TER provider ID# in the text of the Gen. Details. Thanks for the discussion.
and not to you, it doesn't matter. You like to put the TER ID, good for you. I don't worry about it. I believe in letting people do the job they get paid for. I NEVER said he should NOT put the TER ID in his review ... only that it doesn't make a difference in the end. Admin will get it right or not. If they don't, someone will report it and it will be fixed eventually. You do it your way, I'll do it mine. You gave the OP one option, I gave him another. There is no "right" or "wrong" here. The difference is I'm not trying to tell you your way is not "right".
...that I didn't make something clear. Then I perpetuated it with my further comments thinking I had been clear. When I said "Your a little bit right but" in the subject of a reply I wasn't referring to the way you do it being a little bit right. I was referring to you saying TER will fix it or a hundred guys would jump on it for a couple days of VIP. My little bit right meant they might or they might not. I have seen where that didn't happen.
I don't think my putting the ID# in is right as opposed to you not putting the ID# in. Either is fine. Sorry for the confusion.