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BuckSouth 8 Reviews 3365 reads
posted
1 / 40
First overnight with a provider in Vegas

Have blocked out a 12 hour overnight with a great lady.
Anyone who has done an overnight have any helpful hints?
What time should the date start?
Food recommendations?
Hit a nightclub for some entertainment?
Allow for sleep?
Any suggestions, experiences would be appreciated!

Back_In_Black 1439 reads
posted
2 / 40
how much money you got ?

are you fat if so night time date if not pool side date  
and you don't sleep you collapse .  
girls don't eat , room service .  
gamble  
fuck the nightclub strip club  
if she hot where you at I get first dibs  
are you a virgin ?

Posted By: BuckSouth
Have blocked out a 12 hour overnight with a great lady.  
 Anyone who has done an overnight have any helpful hints?  
 What time should the date start?  
 Food recommendations?  
 Hit a nightclub for some entertainment?  
 Allow for sleep?  
 Any suggestions, experiences would be appreciated!

BuckSouth 8 Reviews 1254 reads
posted
3 / 40
Re: how much money you got ?

Money not unlimited, but not a problem.
I am not fat, good shape actually, but intended to be a true night time date.
Assume if we gamble, we do so with my cash.
Strip club...had not thought about that.
Thought about hitting a club for drinking and dancing.
But do want to concentrate on the physical action primarily.
And no dibs for you...but thanks for your response!

Back_In_Black 1376 reads
posted
4 / 40
dude your a newb ?

do you know her , put your wallet in the room safe take what you need and put away everything with your name on it sterilize the room .  
nightclub will be pricey ,so go to a show .  
for particulars post on vegas board for ideas . and no I wasn't joking about poolside .. she gets tan well its cool there now but her in a bikini why not and some drinks then to the room shower etc and out to a show and dinner some music gambling back to room and some room service and dude you just busted about six nuts . have fun .
 

Posted By: BuckSouth
Have blocked out a 12 hour overnight with a great lady.  
 Anyone who has done an overnight have any helpful hints?  
 What time should the date start?  
 Food recommendations?  
 Hit a nightclub for some entertainment?  
 Allow for sleep?  
 Any suggestions, experiences would be appreciated!
-- Modified on 4/16/2014 12:50:38 PM

JackDunphy 1329 reads
posted
5 / 40
I would NEVER pay a hooker to sleep.

What's the point of that? Better to see her at night for 2-3 hours and have her come back the next morning for a few more. You'll sleep like a king after some great sex, still get to have the morning sex and save a bundle.

And make sure you don't pay full freight if you do do the overnight. Her listed fee for overnights is the MSRP.  

No, I'm not into negotiating a girl for an hour or two, but any long engagement like that should be "worked out" to benefit both parties.

avairenemurphy See my TER Reviews 1442 reads
posted
6 / 40
Re: I would NEVER pay a hooker to sleep.

I'm kinda with you here...

While I am happy to get paid to sleep it does seem a little weird to me!

I remember last month when I did my first dinner date (I started this 2/14) and thought it was the coolest thing in the world that someone was going to pay me to watch me eat!
Why oh why didn't anyone tell me about this the day I turned 18????!!!!!????????

Blowing Chunks 991 reads
posted
7 / 40
Vegas is fun...

hat time should date start?  Depends on what time you want to wake up. The date is 12 hours so figure.  

Food... umm, this is entirely up to you and her. Don't know what your preferences are but if you don't want any accidents happening, avoid foods that might upset your stomach.  

Allow for sleep: depends on how active you are and depends on her too, but some girls have minimum sleep hour requirements. That leaves you with about half or less out of the 12 hour overnight to play.  

Make sure you have some breath mints or listerine to avoid the morning breath.

JackDunphy 1269 reads
posted
8 / 40
Why didn't someone tell you on your 18th b-day to become a hooker? lol

Or pay to watch you eat? lol. I'd love to watch you eat, but I wouldn't pay for that either, unless you took care of me with some OTC time, then all bets are off.

You'd be surprised too. Tons of manginas here would love to take you shopping, watch you read, take a nap, wash your hair, etc.  

It's not my bag sister, but to each his own and all that phony crap.

But where are my manners? Happy two months anniversary in the biz!  

Stay safe Ms. Murphy.

BeautywithBrains See my TER Reviews 1380 reads
posted
9 / 40
The MSRP! Too funny! Gifts are non-negotiable.....

...unless I have know the gentlemen for quite sometime, or he is on a retainer agreement.

   Newbies, please do not insult the lady by trying to negotiate her posted gifts.  In doing so, you will get your mail deleted.  It is up to the courtesan to offer an incentive; not for you to ask.

Hugs and Kisses,
Kelly

Blowing Chunks 1124 reads
posted
10 / 40
Didn't you just "pop" your cherry in the hobby only a month ago?

http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion_boards/viewmsg.asp?BoardID=33&SortBy=DateCreated%20desc&SearchType=1&Author=jackdunphy&DayFrom=300&DayTo=0&MessageID=129324&frmSearch=1#129324

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JackDunphy 1103 reads
posted
11 / 40
With all due respect BWB...

you can only speak for yourself. And you just did, which is fine. But if a guy is going to engage a working girls services for an overnighter, you are in the very small minority.  

Someone posting $3500 for an overnight will entertain lower offers. Trust me. And they will be THRILLED to do so. t's not a monopoly you know. There is competition out there.  

Some of the girls may not be in your financial shape. She can gain a new client, make a ton of cash for one long nights work and bail herself out of a major jam with her rent, expenses, insurance, etc.

Like I said, I wouldn't negotiate for a few hours, that we can agree. But over a lengthy, multi-hour or multi day date, let the negotiations begin.

JackDunphy 982 reads
posted
12 / 40
Have you read my other posts? Read on McDuff and get back to me.

If there is anything here you feel I need to be corrected, than speak up son. But since you haven't, we'll assume my advice is spot on. ;)

Keep researching my posts. You'll get it. One day.

Dr Who revived 1017 reads
posted
13 / 40
You're spot on...as usual LOL

The problem that someone like the OP is seeing is that he has no prior experience to use as a frame of reference.  I suspect he'll pay some gal sticker and be back here whining about how it wasn't this, that or the other thing.

The ONLY times any gal won't negotiate (yea...even shorter gigs) is if all their payments are current.  And that seems to be quite infrequent in many cases.

But if BWB and others like her want to draw that line...no problem.  There's absolutely no shortage of gals who will gladly entertain dudes...at negotiated deals (in particular over 2 hours, let alone some overnighter  LOL).  

Pay a gal to sleep (or eat, read etc)....not a chance.  But others do, so gals like BWB can post her drivel and they believe it.  Oh my...if they only knew the truth  LOL

Did you get my PM?
Posted By: JackDunphy
you can only speak for yourself. And you just did, which is fine. But if a guy is going to engage a working girls services for an overnighter, you are in the very small minority.  
   
 Someone posting $3500 for an overnight will entertain lower offers. Trust me. And they will be THRILLED to do so. t's not a monopoly you know. There is competition out there.  
   
 Some of the girls may not be in your financial shape. She can gain a new client, make a ton of cash for one long nights work and bail herself out of a major jam with her rent, expenses, insurance, etc.  
   
 Like I said, I wouldn't negotiate for a few hours, that we can agree. But over a lengthy, multi-hour or multi day date, let the negotiations begin.

JackDunphy 1056 reads
posted
14 / 40
Now you're gonna make me get VIP, aren't you?

I'm sure you didn't think I was ignoring you on purpose. I have a stack of unanswered pm's. Don't happen to have my emal still, do you?

Dr Who revived 1039 reads
posted
15 / 40
Oh dear Lord

Honestly I doubt I could pull that back up....here's mine again

[email protected]

I only sent you one PM...seems like you have a fan club  LOL
Posted By: JackDunphy
I'm sure you didn't think I was ignoring you on purpose. I have a stack of unanswered pm's. Don't happen to have my emal still, do you?

VOO-doo 1035 reads
posted
16 / 40
Then don't.

YOU might not want to. But some people DO enjoy sleeping and waking up with another person. And, would rather ensure a positive experience by making sure the girl doesn't feel worked over or taken advantage of.  

As other posters have said, when you speak in absolutes here, you get into trouble. Sure, there will be SOME girls who will take deals, for any type of appointment. But, not all, and it's definitely not considered best practice to ask for discounts, especially if you've never met the girl.  

I guess it depends what your priorities are...IMO hobby transactions work best when BOTH parties feel that the compensation is fair. But, some guys are just more concerned with getting the best price. I've had clients like that...emphasis on the HAD.  

I've gotten more requests for discounted overnights, than for any other date. I'd originally had my overnight rate a little low, it in the hope of doing more of them. I was honestly offended by the low-ball offers I received. It just came across like power play. I ALWAYS refused, as I'd have felt under-compensated. Mine was a little lower than most girls at my donation level, so WTF? So I figured I'd raise it $500...I'd be happier, and I always have the option of offering clients *I KNOW AND ENJOY* a little break. If I don't enjoy or know the client, and he insists on a lower price...great! He can either book me for slightly less time, or just move the f*** on.

Overnights are very difficult. Imagine having a client squeeze you all night, breathe into your neck, snore into your ear, and fart...the minute you feel like you JUST drifted off, he pokes you in the back, wanting some sex. There are literally forms of torture, in which a person is repeatedly awakened when trying to fall asleep. Overnights CAN feel like that...

I'm not especially inclined to go below a certain rate for overnight, and 9 times out of 10, I'd rather just do the dinner date or 6 hour and walk away with slightly less, or even refuse altogether (I've done both) than accept a low-ball rate for such a challenging appointment. I'm not rich and I could always USE the little extra $$, but I'm stable, and I can do without it...I'd rather do so if I feel that it's not a fair deal on my end. Nothing is worse than feeling taken advantage of, when you're literally selling your body.

I even think it's hard to sleep with a boyfriend...so it's nothing against clients. Just love my own bed, love my own routine, love my sleep.

-- Modified on 4/17/2014 4:09:09 PM

Dr Who revived 979 reads
posted
17 / 40
Nice summary as usual

Of course some dudes like to have a woman to sleep with overnight.  Especially those who rarely have a bed companion and are incredibly lonely for that.

That's why so many of them are eager to pay for this...yet they don't realize that most gals have NO interest in doing these.  And why many would rather not unless they get primo bucks for it.  Hell...I wouldn't consider it unless I got some serious bucks...and my rent, car and phone bills were all well past due  LOL

But then there are those dudes who recognize that many of the gals here need that extra money...and are willing to pay some overage for her to spend the night.  But those fellas who are not so incredibly lonely will work out a payment structure that makes sense....to them.  And if the gal thinks it is "fair" she'll take the offer.

I'm with you however...I like sleeping alone.  I love my routine and my sleep as well.

Fortunately I don't pay rent...or car payments.  I do have to pay the monthly phone bill however.  So I wouldn't ever discount  ;)
Posted By: VOO-doo
YOU might not want to. But some people DO enjoy sleeping and waking up with another person. And, would rather ensure a positive experience by making sure the girl doesn't feel worked over or taken advantage of.  
   
 As other posters have said, when you speak in absolutes here, you get into trouble. Sure, there will be SOME girls who will take deals, for any type of appointment. But, not all, and it's definitely not considered best practice to ask for discounts, especially if you've never met the girl.  
   
 I guess it depends what your priorities are...IMO hobby transactions work best when BOTH parties feel that the compensation is fair. But, some guys are just more concerned with getting the best price. I've had clients like that...emphasis on the HAD.  
   
 I've gotten more requests for discounted overnights, than for any other date. I'd originally had my overnight rate a little low, it in the hope of doing more of them. I was honestly offended by the low-ball offers I received. It just came across like power play. I ALWAYS refused, as I'd have felt under-compensated. Mine was a little lower than most girls at my donation level, so WTF? So I figured I'd raise it $500...I'd be happier, and I always have the option of offering clients *I KNOW AND ENJOY* a little break. If I don't enjoy or know the client, and he insists on a lower price...great! He can either book me for slightly less time, or just move the f*** on.  
   
 Overnights are very difficult. Imagine having a client squeeze you all night, breathe into your neck, snore into your ear, and fart...the minute you feel like you JUST drifted off, he pokes you in the back, wanting some sex. There are literally forms of torture, in which a person is repeatedly awakened when trying to fall asleep. Overnights CAN feel like that...  
   
 I'm not especially inclined to go below a certain rate for overnight, and 9 times out of 10, I'd rather just do the dinner date or 6 hour and walk away with slightly less, or even refuse altogether (I've done both) than accept a low-ball rate for such a challenging appointment. I'm not rich and I could always USE the little extra $$, but I'm stable, and I can do without it...I'd rather do so if I feel that it's not a fair deal on my end. Nothing is worse than feeling taken advantage of, when you're literally selling your body.  
   
 I even think it's hard to sleep with a boyfriend...so it's nothing against clients. Just love my own bed, love my own routine, love my sleep.

-- Modified on 4/17/2014 4:09:09 PM

VOO-doo 1151 reads
posted
18 / 40
Many of my clients who pay for longer dates...

Are not one bit pathetic, lonely bastards. Some are even married. Some have interesting lives, some travel often, some are highly social and/or just very likable people.  

A few are pathetic lonely bastards, I'll give you that. But that's JUST a few, spread out over a few years. They are the exception.

I think that the other guys just want to be fair, and ensure a mutually positive feeling between us. This is my income - they respect that. They wouldn't like someone penny-pinching THEIR income, so they don't do that to me. And, the extra few $100's doesn't mean so much to them, I guess. They'd rather just give it to me, than risk having me resent them as they poke me in the back all night.  

Guess what? I'm ten times more likely to OFFER that latter group of guys a discount. Their consideration is a courtesy which I truly appreciate, having had so many clients over the years not extend such to me. I once told a client I really liked, that he could take me away for two days, basically paying my overnight rate plus travel expenses...he paid my full weekend rate, plus gifted me $1k extra. I'd do almost anything to make that client happy (have seen him on and off since 2010). Last time he booked me, I got us the f***ing Trump. I could've made much more of a profit if I'd booked the Radisson or something. But he was always extra nice to me, and I wanted to return the favor.  

(Yes, he snored. But I felt so grateful to be there, and treated so nicely, that I honestly didn't care.)

JackDunphy 1045 reads
posted
19 / 40
Where did I say to "ask for a discount?"

I am talking about making an offer. The girl has the right to refuse, accept, counter, offer less hours for the $ offered, etc.  

My issue is you ladies can't have it both ways. You can't say on the one hand "it's a business" when it benefits you to do so, then on the other hand, get offended when one simply makes an offer.

Negotiating is a part of virtually every business on earth. If someone is SO offended that I made an offer of $2500 or $3000 on a $3500 tab, they need to look for another line of work.

Do you have any clue how long it would take a girl to make that kinda $ at a civvie day job???

And who says "it's definitely not considered best practice" to make multi G offer to a gal? By whom? By you? By BWB? Is there an Emily Post of Hooking I don't know about? lol. You and BWB have a vested interest in making the guys here think there should NEVER be any negotiating.

The girls spew that line to protect their biz. I get that. But this should be a forum where the guys really know how things work in this game and not have the supply side of this biz b.s. them with their personal bias/self interests.

The girls I offered, and that accepted, thought the offers were fair and were actually grateful, Voo-Doo.  
There isn't a single girl that accepted my offer that wouldn't see me again. What does that tell you?

It's not the guys job to watch the girl's bottom line. It's hers.  

If a girl came to me for advice and said "Jack, this guy made me a 80% offer for my overnight or full day rate, should I accept it?" I would look her in the eye and say "I have no idea."  

I would need way more info like whats her financial situation? Is she new/just starting out? Building a customer base? Need money quickly for a big debt? Need $ for an operation for a loved one? Is her house in foreclosure? etc. Way too many factors. I would also want to know how she "feels" about taking less.  

Bottom line is this: girls market themselves, advertise themsleves, get reviewed, charge money, etc. Some even pay taxes. It really is a business form every perspective.  

Receiving offers less than what a girl is asking is just a fact of life in almost every business endeavor.  

She'll not only survive it, she may very well thrive by it

VOO-doo 1169 reads
posted
20 / 40
It certainly is haggling.

Some will receive it better than others. As you said, it depends upon her situation.  

This is a business, but it's no 'normal' business. We're not selling widgets or cars; the price of our time, our body cannot be subject to the same set of rules. Well...in theoretical terms, sure it can. In moral...and, I'd argue, realistic terms - it absolutely cannot. Because you WILL piss someone off, you WILL offend someone. That's just the way it is, when you argue over someone about the 'worth' of something so personal, intimate, risky, etc.  

It's condescending to tell HER what you think is 'fair' when she has a posted price listed. If she WISHES to make you a better offer, she just might do so. Lots of girls, including me, give established clients special treatment...however, if a client EVER intimates that he feels entitled to that, he's not getting it.  

I'm not 'spouting' anything. I have no 'vested interest.' The guys I see are not on this board; they are generally not even curious about boards. They are not reading this, nor do they even care that you or any other hobbyist can 'get' overnights for less than they pay.  

This is simply the way *I* run my business.

JackDunphy 1118 reads
posted
21 / 40
I hear what you're saying, I just respectfully disagree.

Look, I respect how you run your business. I would NEVER tell you or any girl how to run their business, unless asked.  

But in that same respect, I shouldn't be told how to hobby, either. It may be condescending to you, I take you on your word for that. But you can't speak for other women. Maybe some will be, but I can assure you some won't be. It's all a personal thing.

And I don't feel "entitled" to anything. I don't expect a yes or a no. Her answer is what her answer is. If she doesn't respond, I take that as a no.

I do agree it is no normal business. There are very real differences, some good, some bad. But you (plural) are also abnormally highy compensated for those differences.

And just for clarity sakes, I have NEVER argued with a woman as to what she thinks she is worth. EVER.

To me, this is a non-confrontational type of issue. I really do look at it as just business. It's not about screwing a decent gal out of anything. I's all about win-win.  

Do you really think I'd want to spend time with a girl that was pissed or hurt every second she was with me b/c she felt I degraded her with my offer? Of course not. That wouldn't be worth 100 bucks.

I just feel there is one way ladies handle this on a fk board in text, and another way they handle this bcd privately. The two, in my experience, can be vastly different.

If you want the last word on this, by all means, take it.

Good debate. Take care

weipeikei See my TER Reviews 1141 reads
posted
22 / 40
I actually love them, and my rate structure reflects that.

It's hard for me to fall asleep somewhere new.. alone. Give me a comfy man and some hot sex, and I'm out like a light. You can have six hours with me or overnight. Same price.

 
I do suggest you two meet up, have playtime in the room, catch dinner and a show, playtime, sleep, play in the morning, breakfast, hit some tables, lunch, back to the room for goodbyes. Personally I expect three separate "play-times" on over nights, before we go out, before sleep and first thing in the morning. Seems to be a good routine.  My main advice is.. stay hydrated. Get something to drink other than booze.

Jstgttnstrtd 18 Reviews 1216 reads
posted
23 / 40
this is one of the best written posts I've seen on these boards

very well articulated.
This is a business of fantasy in so many ways...
Both clients and providers can lose touch with certain realities...
I do however admire the independence and savvy of these ladies immensely.
And even though I find it a little strange that guys who offer $X hundred or thousand instead of $Y can be labeled as rude or cheap - it certainly IS a powerful psychological tool - as NO guy wants to be called rude or cheap by a lady.
I think the best would handle these type of requests with grace, even if they don't accept the offer.
At least, those are the kinds of ladies that impress me the most - in this hobby or out of it - those who show grace and class in all situations.  And I try to do the same.

JackDunphy 946 reads
posted
24 / 40
Would I get a discount if I brought my own milk?...e


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VOO-doo 1009 reads
posted
25 / 40
I won't try to tell YOU how to hobby, if...

You don't tell newbies how to hobby. Especially when you're a newbie yourself. It's really NOT the norm for 'offers' to be made. It's surely not good advice for a brand-new client, planning a date with a girl he's never seen....good way for him to wind up on her DNS list.  

Nobody here knows who I am, so I have nothing to gain from saying that I handle it one way, and doing another thing in private. I have already admitted to giving hefty discounts to my regulars, anyway.  

When I was new, I took a few such 'offers'. At the time, I needed the money. I shut up and put up. I smiled. It was never worth it, in the long run...just the *very* short run. One was a horrible experience for me...he kept me up all night. I felt so ripped off. But, I am still friendly with that client. Because if we can't keep a cheerful face, then nobody will want to see us.  

I'd see him again. I just wouldn't accept that offer....unless, I was in the same position I was before. Then I'd have to. This is my job. I'd smile. That is my job.  

Luckily now, I am not in a place where I need to worry about the short term.

It's not all BS. Some of us really do run our business like that. I personally have worked a long time to get to the place I'm at (note: I charge a higher time minimum).... Now, the men I see regularly WANT pay for my time and very rarely assume that OTC is part and parcel of the package. Sometimes, I wouldn't even mind OTC, but *they* feel funny about imposing upon my time/life. They don't want to feel funny...so they pay. And, I make it worth their while. I treat them RIGHT. Having been on the other side of things, last thing I was to do is f*** up and alienate clients like that.

MatureGFE See my TER Reviews 1130 reads
posted
26 / 40
Unlike a few here I will answer your questions since you've alreadsy booked the 12 hr overnight dat

Seems like you are happy with your choice, so that's great.

The best person to ask about the start time is the lady you've booked with. You two figure out what works best for you.

Let your lady give you suggestions for restaurants if she is a local lady, which I'm betting she is. Also Trip Advisor is a good place to se what other say about the restaurants there.


Dinner and a show is nice, pick a show you want to see, maybe one of the sexier ones! ;-) One FREE thing to do is to see the Fountain Show at the Bellagio. Cost nothing to watch and it's spectacular.

Of course you allow for sleep, lol. It's a PACKAGE date, correct? These kinds of dates aren't for the 1-2 hour booking mentality, sounds like you want some MORE for this experience.

Have a nice chat with the lady BEFORE the date, maybe a week before or a couple of days before to make sure you two are on the same page, this helps, believe me! Communication is key here.

Above all enjoy yourself, Vegas is an exciting place and a sexy city.

Have fun!!! Some here have said, they wouldn't "pay to someone to sleep, or to eat, blah blah blah. They aren't interested in the kind of date you have booked IMO. Besides, maybe a "power nap" before heading out for the night will turn into something more when ya'll wake up! ;-)

Remember your date is with HER not with some who are trying to make you doubt your choice for a special night, including MORE than just the physical!

Yes, lots of fun in the sheets and lots of fun out!

xoxo,

Steph

-- Modified on 4/17/2014 10:53:03 PM

MatureGFE See my TER Reviews 999 reads
posted
27 / 40
Wow and he sounded so nice then...eom


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BuckSouth 8 Reviews 1036 reads
posted
28 / 40
Think you

Do appreciate your advice.  I will be doing precisely what you suggest on the advance communication front.  And I am comfortable with my choice and do want something more than a traditional 1-3 hour thing!

BeautywithBrains See my TER Reviews 1136 reads
posted
29 / 40
While I agree with much of what you said, JD......

.....I still believe it is wrong for a gentleman to negotiate a first date; whether it is an hour, a day, a night, or a week.  

   Once I have established a relationship with a gentleman, I am more than happy to adjust my gift for weekend, and longer dates.  Many ladies do the same.  

   Yes, I agree, many ladies do not budget well throughout the month, and the end of the month is the best time to negotiate should you choose to do so.

Hugs and Kisses,
Kell

GaGambler 987 reads
posted
30 / 40
But it's ok for YOU to tell newbies how to hobby???

Sorry, but I have to agree with Jack, and if you think he's a newbie I have this wonderful bridge you might be interested in.

As for myself with about 25,000 posts on TER, I defy anyone to call me a newb.

BTW not all providers consider overnighters as much "work" as you do, I have some ladies who stay the night at no extra charge if a session starts and/or ends late at night because they would rather just stay in the bed and sleep with me rather than pack up and take the long drive back home in the middle of the night. If sleeping with me were so awful I am pretty damn sure they'd either be getting paid or going home to their own bed rather than OFFERING to stay with me at no additional charge.

Now I am not claiming that overnighters are all fun and games and should be expected OTC, just that as Jack doesn't speak for all the guys, you certainly don't speak for all the ladies.

VOO-doo 1424 reads
posted
31 / 40
i tend to agree that he is no newbie.

That had occurred to me.

In my posts, I am very clear that I am speaking in regards to my own experiences. Where did I say 'all women'?. But from what I have seen and heard, I am hardly alone at feeling a little disgusted that some clients think that they are above paying for certain activities. Or dislike receiving 'offers.' However, I only stated that THIS has been my experience. So *I* prefer this. There is no instance in which I extended that to all women, or told anybody to do anything.  

I do think that Jack is fatuous in thinking that his women are as happy as he thinks to accept his 'offers'. Because that is what reflects MY experiences, as I described them.

I dont think it is exactly a novel concept, that negotiating with a lady one has never seen, can get one put on a DNS list. I stick by that advice. If you have experienced differently, then great! But it certainly does not work that way across the board.

I never told the newbie how to hobby, either. It is really Jack who is trying to talk for all clients, and even trying to put make assumptions about the opinions of the ladies he sees. He is trying to tell all clients, that paying for overnights is stupid
and that women are happy to receive 'offers' like his. As I said in ny first post, ridiculously YMMV advice.



-- Modified on 4/18/2014 6:36:36 AM

Dr Who revived 910 reads
posted
32 / 40
There are no certainties in any situation

Aside from death...and occasionally taxes  LOL

But as this is on the newbie board...and the OP was asking the question...the first few replies from some gals was "Don't ever negotiate".

That's their opinion and Jack, CPA and now GaG are replying to the contrary.  That's OUR opinion.

So it'll be up to the OP how he wants to move forward, as well as anyone else who reads this thread.

Some gals will jump at a "deal", some will not.  Again, no certainties here.  However IMHO those who don't ask do not receive.  That in spite of your comments that YOU offer your dudes deals.  Somehow that seems unlikely.  But only you and those dudes know the real story.

What's certain is that there will always be another gal who will "happily" take money to fuck some dude.  It's simply a matter of determining how much.
Posted By: VOO-doo
That had occurred to me.  
   
 In my posts, I am very clear that I am speaking in regards to my own experiences. Where did I say 'all women'?. But from what I have seen and heard, I am hardly alone at feeling a little disgusted that some clients think that they are above paying for certain activities. Or dislike receiving 'offers.' However, I only stated that THIS has been my experience. So *I* prefer this. There is no instance in which I extended that to all women, or told anybody to do anything.  
   
 I do think that Jack is fatuous in thinking that his women are as happy as he thinks to accept his 'offers'. Because that is what reflects MY experiences, as I described them.  
   
 I dont think it is exactly a novel concept, that negotiating with a lady one has never seen, can get one put on a DNS list. I stick by that advice. If you have experienced differently, then great! But it certainly does not work that way across the board.  
   
 I never told the newbie how to hobby, either. It is really Jack who is trying to talk for all clients, and even trying to put make assumptions about the opinions of the ladies he sees. He is trying to tell all clients, that paying for overnights is stupid  
 and that women are happy to receive 'offers' like his. As I said in ny first post, ridiculously YMMV advice.  
   
 

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QueenBia See my TER Reviews 930 reads
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Beauty sleep is always needed.

Dinner, and a show, then back to the room for playtime...

MatureGFE See my TER Reviews 814 reads
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You are quite welcome!

Enjoy your date! ;-)

JackDunphy 1033 reads
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And I would never tell you what YOU should believe BWB.

I was merely letting the OP in on some facts that go on in this business that he might not hear from the ladies or the manginas here, thats it.

He has the right to know that MANY MANY women here will take less than their whole boat for an overnighter, will treat him great, be grateful he contacted her and would be THRILLED to see him again.

You and VD run your businesses one way, tons of ladies run theirs their way.  

Viva la Difference!

Best, JD

Blowing Chunks 1433 reads
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if she's only charging like 300/hr I never negotiate...

Anything higher and for longer arrangements, it seems negotiation is more of the norm.  

Some girl was claiming a $10k overnight fee. Am I really gonna pay that for an overnight?  Only if I was born yesterday. Is the girl dumb for refusing to take a lesser offer half that price?  Probably.  
Am I dumb for paying 5k for an overnight? Probably. lol  To some guys yes,  but considering the girl's normal rate is above 1.5k an hour, I thought it was reasonable.  She missed out on a chunk of cash cuz I booked with someone else just as hot yet willing to give me a better deal.  As with anything,  this is business and it follows the supply demand laws just like any other business. Further, it doesn't seem to me like there's a shortage of hot young girls willing to play.

BeautywithBrains See my TER Reviews 898 reads
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THANK YOU! (eom)


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Ric330 1 Reviews 1075 reads
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Good discussion, but mixing two things together

Sorry for the tardy reply, but I don't follow the boards every day.

A pretty wide ranging and generally good discussion. However, I think two things are being mixed together here: whether overnight dates are a good thing, and whether rates can be negotiated/discounted. Overnight dates can be very rewarding. I have done quite a few extremely nice ones (including with BeautywithBrains), but I would never do one as a first date. To me, they are best with someone you have seen several times and with whom you have developed some rapport and level of comfort. Long form dates like overnights are more than just opportunities for multiple romps. They involve a fair amount of social time (a "real" GFE), so you want to be sure you are spending it with someone with whom you can enjoy an outing, have a good conversation, etc. You don't really learn this until after a few dates. So BWB's comments seem just fine to me, as do JD's about not negotiating for a 2 hour initial date. But after I have known the lady for "quite some time," which to me would be a necessary condition for an overnight, I think some special consideration is reasonable.

As a side note, I must say that I found the tone of some of the responses in this discussion a bit off-putting. I think that all understand that everyone's post represents just his/her own personal opinion and/or way of doing business. I don't think disingenuously implying that someone is stating a global truth and then thrashing him/her for it advances the discussion very much. But again, this is just my personal view.

Overall, an interesting if sprawling discussion. I hope you got something out of it, Buck. And I hope you enjoy your overnight as much as I have enjoyed all of mine.

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BuckSouth 8 Reviews 981 reads
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Thanks RIc330

Very much appreciate your comments
I do know the provider and have spoken directly with her about plans for our time together this time.
No need to haggle on the price (which did seem to get mixed in on the thread somewhere along the line).
Might be appropriate at some point in my hobbying future, but not this time.
She and I are on the same page and equally looking forward to our date!
Thanks again!

WickedBrut 27 Reviews 881 reads
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On this sleep time issue.

The overnight rate is a balance between what a provider might expect to take in that night elsewhere, and the convenience of one client. There's generally a discounted rate from what it would be for 12 hourly rates totaled up. So, figure that against the 6? hours of sleep.

If you don't sleep, you can't wake up to morning sex. So, take that into account.

Overnights, I've found, take on a different dynamic than 1-, 2-, or 3-hour sessions. So you'll enjoy a different kind of pleasure. Go with it.

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