I’m pretty new to the hobby and need some advice on how to start a conversation with providers over the phone.  I’ve got hung-up on a few times and want to be sure I’m approaching the initial contact correctly.  Below is typical of what a call is like for me.  Please share your thoughts.

Provider: Hello
Me: Hello, are you doing incalls/outcalls today?
Provider: Yes, I am
Me: Could you see me for 45min for 150 roses?
Provider: Yes, I could do that or No my rates are ….


Thank a million,

-J

1. Know her rates before you call. We aren't naive. We know the first thing you do is look at the pics, look at the rates, then call.

2. If her rates don't fit your budget, don't waste her time by asking if she'll see you at a different rate structure or lower rate.

3. Don't use asinine euphemisms like roses, kisses, hugs, or licks.

I would say your initial phone conversations is wrong research and figure out what her rates are that is probably one of the reasons you are getting hung-up on.Most will not discuss this on the phone.
Jaydalee

-- Modified on 4/21/2011 11:00:42 PM

If you bother to read a provider's web site, most of them say that mentioning money will cause an immediate end to the conversation (and probably being added to her DNS list).  Perhaps you should read the Self-Help section, the acronym guide and as many pages of this board as you can.  It really will help.
Another tip:  don't mention specific acts in a phone call either.  The result will be the same.  Any first contact (call or e-mail) should only include that you saw her pix and would love to see her, when you want to see her and for how long, a little screening info and a request to please call or write for more details.

I quote double of published rates.  Simply because i KNOW that the next thing i will hear will be  "but your website says $$$$!"

Please do not insult our intelligence by pretending you did not see the rate prior to phone call.

Thanks for the feedback.  I certainly have a better understanding.  

My area must be a bit different.  Vary rarely do providers post their fees or services.  They will list their measurements, phone number, age, race, etc.  

Occasionally they will post that they are offering specials - and who knows what that means exactly.  

Nevertheless, I'll work to refine my approach.  Thank again.

It does happen that providers don't publish their rates, though they are usually on a web site, if not an ad. Also, it's usually available on an escort's profile on P411, DateCheck, etc. If that's the case you still should not ask them about it on the phone.  E-mail or text them and ask when it would be appropriate to ask about a donation.  Personally, I wouldn't even contact someone who did not have this info available, though I understand in your area that may be a problem.

Yea, I agree with the women above.  You line about the 'roses' was definitely an instant buzzer end-of-call.

But I understand your point about some women not advertising their rates.  That's tough, unless you happen to routinely carry abound several hundred bucks in your wallet.

My advice:

#1) If she has a website or ad but doesn't advertise rates, beware.  Rates will vary.  Depending on her mood, you could very well get a very different rate than the next guy (which could be good or bad), or you might be stepping into a massive upsell trap.

2) But if you decide to go for it anyway, just be straightforward and honest.  Talk to her as if your making a dentist appointment...

You: "Hi, I saw your ad and would like to make an appointment.  Are you free this afternoon or tomorrow night for a two hour incall?"

Her: "Yes, I think that would work..."

You: "Great!  And, sorry that I have to ask, but I looked at your website and couldn't figure out how much money I might want to have with me.  Any suggestions?"

Okay, I am hardly an expert here, but I would think one could use, as a guide, the idea that if you would not say that to a blind date / first date with a civilian, you might not want to say it to a companion either. Just a thought.

As for money, I have two thoughts:

1)  "If you have to ask, you cannot afford it."  Remember that cliched line from TV/Movies?  Might apply to her as well, if she does not publish a rate for her time.

2)  You could get a membership here and look her up, there are rates posted by others who have seen her.  (I suppose other sites as well, but I know this site and this one is the best one, right moderators?)

Anyway, you really do not want to talk about money on the phone or in person if you can help it!  For both of your protection.

Dear Jaydalee:
Instead of asking something about so personal and sensitive, would he be better served on trying to break the ice by asking about something in her bio and some of her other hobbies or something with respect to her preference of gifts? There are certain items which should be intuitively off limits as you noted but other items that would be fair game for inquiry and further exploration and elaboration. Considering he is in the seminal stages of exploring the dynamics of play for pay these are guidelines that he should continue to heed if he intends to proceed and succeed in the hobby.

...their ads don't.  If you don't have VIP membership, get it and check all their info before you call.

to know what you want and know it is within your budget.  If you want a Chevy don't go to a Lexus dealer.

With VIP, you can see the provider's rates in her profile.  Sometimes I will say "are the rates in your TER profile accurate?"

Also, some ladies who advertize in multiple places may have multiple rates.  If a lady wants $250 on CV and asks for $300 on Eros, be sure you saw her ad on CV; don't slip and say you liked her Eros ad better than her CV ad.

If you don't know her rate, and arrive for the session still not knowing, how do you know how much to put in the envelope?  If you arrive and don't know the donation you are nuts.  If there is no way to find out from the provider beforehand you should bail anyway.  There is no way you should be carrying large amounts of extra cash to a session, especially a first session.

LOL... I have done that on more than one occasion... & always get the same result also

A provider who does not explicitely advertise her services on her website, and, does not inform me of the rate (however long I initial inform her I am looking for) on the initial call is not going to get a confirmation from me for the appointment in the first place.

I can understand not advertising on the website.  Theoretically, it could be used as evidence against you in court. (Does not seem to stop most providers, but to each their own.)  But then, when you, as a client, say "I'd like to make an appointment for two hours (or 24 hours, or 76 hours Cassanova...fine)" they should immediately reply "My consultation fee, for two hours, is $1,000 usd.  Is that okay?"  

Given that I hire consultants all the time (and they are usually worth absolutely NOTHING anyway) terming it a consultation isn't going to register on any Dept. of Homeland Security wiretaps. lol.  Seriously, I have no idea how consultants stay in business, or why my boss insists we spend $5,000-$50,000 on them for each project....but if they are worth that, then a girl who is pleasent to be around is worth a helluva lot more.  Hence my comment above by the age old addage:  If you have to ask, you cannot afford it!

Don't ever open with your offer unless your's talking about thousands of dollars for a weekend or something. That's insulting. And 45 minutes??? What, you expect her to shave a little off her hour rate? Sorry to pile on (OK, not too sorry to gleefully do it), but that's a textbook example of how NOT to start a conversation.

Unfortuately this is not a "consulting agreement" we are going into in any way, shape or form.  This is an illegal activity...period.

Whatever wording is used the conclusions will, in all probability, be the same.  I do see an occasional ad that is missing the required (IMHO) information (rates).  I wouldn't even think of inquiring by email or phone...unless there are reviews (and lots of them with the current prices listed).  Even then I would back channel with a recent reviewer to determine the lady's "donation".

Ironically this whole leaving the cost out is as ridiculous as using an envelope, doing an LE check (grabbing a tit or dick).  We all know why we are here on both sides.  And if you are caught all of the above are meaningless...hence this is not a "consulting engagement"...but you could throw that out there as a defense.

And as far as not being able to afford it if I have to ask...I think you would be very surprised how many guys here have rather "deep pockets".  But most are savvy enough to know a B&S when they see it.

Was that pun intentional?  Hope so.

Some providers don't put the rate anywhere: It isn't on their website or in their ads that he can find. Some providers don't have reviews on TER which means they don't have a profile from which the OP can find a rate (although they might have them on other places). Some providers don't use the verification sites.

So, in the above cases, IF you were a provider without any of the pertinent rate information, what would you tell him then?