Sorry if this is a stupid question, but if you set up an appointment with a provider that is obviously not the person in the pictures, is it not ok to simply leave?  Unless you have provided a deposit.  Just curious?

Some people will leave a small amount of money
but I wouldn't.  Others may differ on this last
point.

Also, you should never leave a pre-paid deposit
unless the provider is extremely well reviewed.
Otherwise, there's a high probability you will
be ripped off.

Only an idiot pays a deposit!

You should leave if it's not the girl in the photo as it's most likely an agency scam like my Tracy review.

If you stay, be sure you don't pay a dime until she's completely undressed and assured you specifically that you'll get what you expect.

Does this one qualify?  Just curious. Also, "be sure you don't pay a dime until she's completely undressed?"  If you see women who need to count the money, you should consider visiting more upscale ladies.

Why wouldn't you leave? If you went to a car dealer and tried to buy a Mercedes, and then got handed the keys to a Ford Festiva, would you just accept it? If she baits and switches on you, then it's really all her fault. Serves her right for being decietful. Unless of course you found a Ferrari in the place of that Mercedes. Then your little stick shifter might convince you to put your personal feelings about dishonesty aside and go for a test drive. Vrrrrooooooooom!!!!!!

would be interested in meeting this "gentleman".

Oh BTW, I'll be requiring a deposit should I travel out of the NW again... guess I don't have to worry about meeting him LOL!

Only a fool would would give a complete stranger a deposit in order to commit an illegal act. I may have been born early in the morning, but it wasn't yesterday morning.

as always

HAPPY HUNTING

Bait and switch is a total disrespect for the customer. If you don't like what you see, send her packing. BTW, I have never paid anyone a deposit and I never will. No revealing personal information, either. There are some goddesses in this business and there are more than enough headcases, freaks, strung out buggos, and those with warrants outstanding. Major advice, stick with quality even if you have to pay more, never be in a rush or let yourself be rushed, never get caught up in any else's problems, and do your research. Almost all problems are a result of impulsive behavior. If you've done your homework and you find yourself being lied to or played with, bail out immediately and never deal with that person or agency again.

I suppose I won't have to worry about meeting you either... which is good because I sure do hate when men mistake my fee to be payment for an illegal act.

"Only a fool"
You insult so many of your bretheren.
Over a dozen deposits accepted and honored this year alone by lowly little me myself and I... and only one which I had to (promptly) refund when it was clear we would not be able to meet.

I suppose you would call my friends who prepay for my on-going relationships fools as well.  *sigh*
They are some of the most engaging and intelligent men I have ever met.

Be as cautious as you like.
Don't disparage those who do their homework and calculate their risks differently than you.

Play safe and have fun!

Sola

My comment was not meant as mean and was not directed at the questioner.  I've never heard of anyone paying a deposit.  I've heard of a few girls ASKING for deposits but no one actually paying it.  Mostly I've heard that it's a set up for stealing deposits on a wide scale.

Regardless, this is a board for NEWBIEs with questions that should be answered by those with experience.  That's me.  So who the heck are you who hides behind an alias?  How do we know you're not some girl who doesn't like my honest advice to help guys keep from getting ripped off?

I advise all newbies to stick to girls who are long and well reviewed on TER.  Any girl who is not is a risk and you must handle the risk appropriately.   I outlined how best to do it, which I learned the hard way, and which you criticized for some reason.  You must be a girl I think.

If the girl is new you need to make sure you're not paying 250 for a massage and the only way to ask is if you're both nude to make sure you're both not LE.  Only after you ask and she agrees should you pay.  You can still dress and leave with no harm done if you don't like the answer or if she sounds deceptive.  Never pay a cancellation fee.  It's called a sucker fee.

Lastly, advice for the girls, which you criticized strangely, was that all girls should COUNT the money.  Guys get ripped off and so do girls.  Right now there are lots of reports of guys leaving envelopes filled with singles rather than twenties.  Everyone needs to slow way down and be safe rather than sorry.  I also suggest no more envelopes.

-- Modified on 6/6/2005 6:41:06 PM

If you don't think "upscale ladies" would meet with me, then you don't know my reviews because you're not a TER member.  Why do you hide behind an alias.  This is a board to help newbies, not to rip them off.

The only reason a girl would need to ask for a deposit is if she gets flaked on all the time and that's probably because there is something wrong with her.  The other reason is because she likes to rip off newbies.

Lastly, low class girls like to throw the word UPSCALE around.  It means nothing.  What scale are you referring to?  Is it your education?  Your upbringing?  How you dress?  What you charge?  Everyone calls themselves HIGHCLASS except for the actual high class.  Your fee doesn't make you classy, only your actions do that.

Wank Commander was the one to post the phrase "upscale ladies", not myself.  Who in their right mind would think someone's fee would determine if they are classy or not?  Since I do not use the phrase I have no comments about what scale was being referred to.

It sounds as if you are speaking to all of us when you post under me?  I'm confused because I AM a TER member and I am not posting under an alias.  I am a well reviewed provider.

There are more reasons than being flaked all the time to ask for a deposit.  My last tour took me over $3k in upfront expenses, it was not possible without the prepayments I received.  The ONLY cancellations on that trip were from the two gentlmen who refused to pay my deposit.  A quick trip to LA without requiring deposits resulted in a friend cancelling an overnight (the REASON I scheduled the trip) and yet another cancellation from a man who was not asked to pay a deposit.  I came home simply covering the hotel expense and ate the airfare.

Why ask for upfront money?  Traveling is expensive and requires upfront investment.  No shows can kill a tour and men who prepay are more likely to SHOW UP.

If you don't pay them, fine by me.  I don't care to go through all the headache and additional expenses of traveling just to meet men who do not respect what I am doing and are not willing to assist the process.  I do QUITE WELL here at home.  

As to "do not pay until she is completely undressed" - downright rude if the lady has asked otherwise.  If you don't trust her don't bother seeing her.  Stay alert but leave the paranoia at home.

I DO agree that if the lady and pic don't match... LEAVE!  Deception at the door ain't a good way to start...

xoxo,
Sola


-- Modified on 6/6/2005 10:35:46 AM

"questions should be answered by those with experience.  That's me."
Get off your high horse and realize that may be ALL of us, that all of our advice may differ, and that it is up to the reader to weigh the advice given to determine what is right by them.

If you had more experience perhaps you would know there are MANY reputabale ladies who require deposits and there are MANY gentlemen who do accept those terms.  Yes, there are ladies (?) who have used this as a scam for gullible men.  Your stating this is always a scam shows how misinformed you are on the subject.

SO let a lady with experience in deposits have a voice on the subject, yes?  AND NO, I am not the other poster simply using an alias.  I have NEVER used an alias to post on the boards.

Your advice to stick to well reviewed ladies (your use of "girls" is a bit condesending) and to leave if there is any deception on WHO shows up is right on the mark.  Your advice when seeing a new lady who has no reviews and to hold the money is fair... do NOT do this with a well reviewed lady who has asked otherwise.

As to cancellation fees - if you really want to see a lady you last-minute cancelled or no-showed, you may have to pay it.  If you don't and your behavior is repetitive... word will get around.

As to your advice of ladies COUNTING the money, this is only any good if the lady chooses to do it upfront.  If the session is over and the envelope is filled with singles... what then?

Re:  envelopes
See my problem with you - you are giving advice without honoring that all ladies have their preferences.  A GENT will never be ripped off because there was an envelope.  This is an issue for the LADIES to decide, a gentleman should respect the ladies wishes and this information is likely to be found on the ladies website.

-- Modified on 6/6/2005 10:50:16 AM

Otherwise I can't judge the value of your advice, which so far, clearly blows.  And we are all girls and boys.  You being insulted at my using the term GIRL and demanding the term LADY speaks volumes about you.

In my experience a LADY is an older woman who doesn't get involved or start arguments.  She politely keeps clear of them.  You, dear, may be old, but you are no lady.

And no anger ever intended on my side!  I'm as happy as they come!
You must be reading me with your own tone.  

Enough on this subject OK?  No good can come from further public banter.  PM me directly if you wish.

I registered with TER as Wank Commander, and do not use any other names here. So, don't we all "hide behind aliases?"  Who here uses their real name in their handle?  Is your real name  Jimmy Dean?

If WankCommander is the handle you post your reviews under, then you are not hiding and simply have no reviews which means no experience.

If you post reviews under a different name then you are using an alias in here.  Same with the girl who claims to be a well reviewed provider but has no link to her reviews.

Hope that makes sense.  The fact that you don't know what I'm talking about tells me you're a newbie here and shouldn't be offering advice.

I'm here to offer my advice and help newbies, not get into arguments, ok?

Hm.
A "lady" does not shamelessly self promote with all of her posts, though since you ask and since the search function is obviously too complicated for you... feel free to check out the link below.

It means simply no reviews.  Not everyone cares to kiss and tell, we all contribute in our own fashion.

Even you with your insults and aggressive nature... and insistance that noone else but you is qualified to offer advice... even you are a contributor.

Whyn't ya' go call your favorite lady and have a fun evening!  I'm off to my day.

Peace!
Sola

I find them of no use. I am a newbie here. However, I have been hobbying for over three years, and seen around 20 women, many of them multiple times. So, I do have some knowledge of the lay of the land (no pun intended)   I'm also broke, by the way.

I thought you were calling the guy who paid a deposit an idiot. I did not think that was very nice.. thats all.

One thing I have learned is that different guys and different ladies have a variety of different personal policies and comfort levels.  There is really no right or wrong way for a lady to conduct business. All the ladies will have clients that accept their policies and accomodate their comfort levels. Its called free market capitalism!!

Hello All,

I once saw a provider who was very beautiful, and the pictures of her were real, but there was a catch..after I paid and she started to take off her clothes..I was in for shock as she was covered with stretch marks and some other not-so nice features for me...the picture from the internet where shot so that you couldnt see her stomach and so on..almost slyly to conceal anything..but it was same lovely faced girl...

as a result of this experience I have avoided providers who dont have pictures of body parts I am care about..but there are many sometime that dont just show the stomach etc..always there can be something left out...

of course..I know I can ask up front these things..but I am wondering..still someone could lie to me..so the real question...

have any of you asked a girl to show herself before deposit, how is that taken..what is the proper etiquette for this???  I think this could send your session down a downward spiral for some.

I would be real curious to hear from hobbyist and providers on this?

Thanks in advance!