Hotel Indigo is known to work with L E doing stings. Google it
Also google "illegal activity hotels" and "signs of illegal activity"
Look like you belong there and you know what your doing.
Don't try to use cash. That's one of the first things they look for.
Allow the maids in when they ask to
Don't have high traffic or young looking companions
Be open. If your not doing anything illegal, you have nothing to hide.
Don't dress ghetto, gang, thug, punk, or hootchie mama.
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Outcalls are undoubtedly more of a hassle for the client, but in terms of security, it seems to be the safest option from the client's perspective. Incalls-- particularly if the location doesn't change often-- seem far more likely to get a visit from LE. Likewise, it is far easier for LE to sabotage a planned location than some random hotel room.
Assuming that the provider is legitimate, there is only one key caveat that can cause risk as far as I can tell-- the client and provider's visibility to the visitors and hotel staff. The hotel staff might be obligated to call authorities if they notice suspicious behavior or a rather suspicious situation-- e.g. a shabby looking 4/10 local guy who just so happened to book a single night walking through the lobby with an obviously foreign 10/10 girl. Likewise, I wouldn't put it past some nice stranger to "help" a suspected "victim" by calling LE. Ideally the provider would blend in and proceed to your room via the elevators without drawing any attention. Unfortunately, that seems to not be a particularly easy thing to pull off!
Call me a coward, but I don't think I can settle for anything less than that ideal case. I'm not in it for the risk, the thrill of not getting caught, etc. I'm young, I spent a lot of time, effort and money getting educated in order to somehow manage to get a rather good job despite the crappy economy, and throwing that all away for even a VERY MUCH OVERDUE fling is nonsensical. No, I think a better description would be that I'm a bit greedy. I want the rewards of the risky behavior but with the risk minimized so greatly that it is completely negligible. Well, short of complete legalization, which I would vastly prefer, but that isn't happening any time soon.
It should come as no surprise then, that the bane of my entire approach here is that many hotels have workers checking out people trying to use the elevators in order to ensure they're guests or the incredibly annoying key-based elevators that force you to come down and expose yourself letting in the aforementioned 10/10 provider. I've seen other people around here complaining about it, but is there any way to actually avoid those problems completely? Is there a way to verify if hotels have these kinds of things without actually visiting them in person? I'd be really surprised if there wasn't, but on the other hand, I've been looking around for a while and I'm not finding anything helpful...
I actually have a place booked and I'm thinking of canceling because I can't verify what they've got over there!
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Book an appointment with a well reviewed and established lady.
Then book a room.
Let the provider know what hotel you will be staying at.
Go to that hotel and check in.
Let the provider know what your room number is.
Wait for her in your room.
When she knocks on your door let her in.
Do you think you can handle it from there?
No offense, but that's completely missing the point of the question. You're talking about the ideal case, where she can just walk up there completely unhindered. If that were a sure bet, I wouldn't have bothered asking my question. It's pretty well documented that hotels employ tactics that cause problems, you need only search around here and elsewhere for a few minutes to get an understanding of the problem.
I've never had a problem at a hotel. if the lady isnt dressed like a naughty nurse or coed slut I think it's pretty safe. You're over thinking this because of nerves. I was there once and even canceled a couple appointments before jumping.
Outcall to you is almost completely LE safe, and a well reviewed provider isn't going to walk through the lobby like a nervous school girl. Make sure she has the room number ahead of time, and your first name if you're really worried, but I've never had a girl tell me she was questioned.
I didn't miss the point of your question, I'm simply choosing not to buy-in to your panic attack. The biggest potential problem is the requirement of a room key to operate the elevator and it's very easy make a few phone calls and find a hotel that doesn't require one. If you are in a casino you may also have to deal with security checking for room keys but, again, don't book a room in a casino. Neither LE or hotel management has guards posted at the elevators with hooker radar. Give the ladies a little credit for being able to walk through a hotel lobby without getting busted, It is, after all, how they make a living.
If all of this scares you that much it may be best to stick with your hand of choice and internet porn until you calm down a little. There is no perfect scenario. You do your research and minimize risk to a very manageable level. I've been at this a while and doing mostly out calls for the past several years. I've never had anything even remotely resembling a problem.
Outcall certainly minimizes the risk if you are smart about it. First of all, you dont walk in together. You are in the room and have the girl come to you. You are correct in choosing a hotel without a key card elevator. Also, choose an upscale one with a large, busy lobby. Pick a well reviewed, experienced provider and ask her to dress conservatively. Nobody is going to call LE unless one of you creates a ruckus and even then, they are much more likely to ask you to leave then call the cops. After all the above, the risk is so miniscule as to not even worth mentioning. If all of that doesnt calm your nerves, dont do it. You wont enjoy it.
Seems simple enough for me. You don't tell them who you are, nor do you book on that same call. Simply use hotels.com after you know what they require. FYI, sounds like having a provider go to YOU is more of a pain in the ass, vs. you going to her. I avoid outcalls period, because of things like this, and because it takes me twice as much time to do an outcall to him as it does having him come to me.
Find a provider with a residential incall...simple. Most of us have one if not a few of them, and don't bother with hotels unless we are touring. Paranoid guys like you are what makes it easy to get caught btw. In major cities at big named hotels, no one cares what YOU are doing honey. It would be different if SHE was staying there a week and being seen with 3 guys a day in the lobby, but just you being seen with that ONE girl, is something they see all the time. You are way too paranoid.
As someone who has used static incalls for over 4 years, I can tell you that you are so wrong in your assumptions. My incalls don't have cameras..hotels do. My incalls don't require an ID at check in...hotels do. My incalls don't have a record of your car coming and going...hotels do. If you are so hell bent on doing outcalls, guess you'll have to pay the price for it, because it is your own fault.
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He is majorly LE phobic. In his case, the "pain in the ass" part of outcall is superceded by the peace of mind he would get by the perceived lowered risk of LE involvement. Seeing a provider with a static incall as you suggest would increase his risk, imho.
If a provider screens and is not an idiot, sorry but there are less eyes and ears around during the work day in a dead community. So no, I did not miss the point, as it is an inaccurate assumption on his part. Cops set up stings in static incalls and hotel rooms yes, but who is he seeing? It's not the location that is the target, it is the provider in question and how she runs her business. A provider only seeing 2 guys a week can work wherever she wants and still not draw attention.
Look at his reply to BG...guy has been watching one too many episodes of CSI! Unless he is a politician or someone of power or celebrity, no one gives a flying fk about ONE girl he might have in his hotel room. She simply walks in, goes to the elevator, and poof..she is at the damn room. He is creating some straw man that does not even exist.
Any guy who is this paranoid, should not hobby..sorry, but it's true. Your paranoia is what makes both you and the provider very uncomfortable, and leads to a bad date.
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Totally agree he is creating a straw man. He shouldnt do it at all if he thinks women are getting stopped in high end hotels on the way up to a room. I would say, with all other things being equal, is it less risky LE wise for the guy to do outcall than to do incall in the manner you describe. We have no idea how the girl in question runs her business.
That is... a surprisingly simple solution. You're absolutely right, there's no reason I couldn't just ask them, and there are a few unsuspicious reasons I can think of for asking about that. I guess I dove in to this too quickly. If I had just called and gotten some information about the place beforehand while I still didn't have any strings attached, it would've been easier.
I agree that setting up an outcall is a pain. I'm just making the case that if you take the effort to set it up, it appears to be the safest option from the client's perspective. Though, I suppose an incall from a well-reviewed provider is also fairly safe-- I'd still argue less safe than the ideal outcall scenario though.
Thanks for the tip.
I pretend I have children and want to make sure there IS security before booking....I ask this on the phone. Once they say, "Sorry, we do have this, but not that" then I book online and they are none the wiser. You could also be a very busy executive who does not want the hassle of having to come to the lobby every time one of your employees shows up. Really honey, it is none of their damn business. Hotels make money off of hookers all the time, so it is in their best interest to stfu. Now, if a woman is providing in their hotel and seeing 3 guys a day, she is simply an idiot asking for trouble.
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That way you can check out the lobby, the elevator, the parking situation, etc. For some this may be a bit overkill, but if you are really LE phobic, well...
Maybe the sources of information I've been reading have been misleading about the nature of the risks involved. I'll have to concede that possibility, as the sources are varying sites on the internet with disparate positions on the hobby. It is difficult to determine the truth regarding a topic that by its very nature is not openly talked about. I'm getting mixed signals about these risks even around here, depending on which thread I'm reading.
I guess I'll continue looking for information on the topic so I can make a better call on whether I ultimately have the guts for it.
Thanks for the info.
Kind of depends on which posters are talking about "all the problems" they have run into. You have to take into account where the information is coming from. If you're a regular on TER, you'll know that the vets in this thread have been around and know their stuff.
An ATF handles it this way. She calls the hotel and says "My daughter is staying at your hotel next week and I just want to make sure you have card key access required on the elevators". If they say yes, she books somewhere else. Gents could use the same strategy, but as the "dad", which is even more plausible.
Dear Ms. Rayne:
I was wondering why don't you put out a pamphlet for those who are on your mailing list as well as for your secret society of high class courtesans the fundamental characteristics of what you should look for in an incall and a hotel. It would make those who are working in the business much more functional and Le savvy. In fact you should build a new website for educational purposes called thingshoesneedstoknow.edu. On there you can discuss things that are vital to conducting business and keeping safe. You can even have a new newsletter called the Adult Companionship weekly that will have little tid bids on how to be a better provider. That would be essential to those who have just recently entered the business and have several questions such as the ones you answer on a daily basis.
You may be over thinking this. I mean, do you really think that most hotel staff or strangers are going to assume a super hot chick HAS to be a hooker? Maybe if they were wearing something that would get the cops called for indecency anyway or is really out of place but most providers worth their salt value discretion just as if not more than you and will dress and act accordingly.
Besides, even if they're seen with an as you say "4/10" man then why would they assume they're a hooker or that there was any need to call the cops? I know plenty of rich people who are unassuming or shabby and heaven knows there are a lot of chicks who will be all over any ugly git with a sign of money so why should it be such a big deal? Even though I'm well familiar with the hobby I know I myself don't automatically assume such a scenario is one of client-provider. Accusing someone of prostitution is a pretty strong allegation and most people and probably moreso hotel staff at any decent establishment would not make such claims without irrefutable proof because of the consequences of getting it wrong.
Now, if you're seeing hookers in some seedy joint where prostitution probably would be commonplace that's another problem, and frankly in that case you're doing it wrong.
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Let's play a game: you're the hotel manager.
Golden Rule #1: if you don't book enough hotel rooms, you're fired.
You manage the housecleaning staff, clerks, maintenance people, and are responsible to make sure everyone is doing their job.
You have to deal with problem customers, order supplies, hire & fire people, deal with your corporate superiors and their idiotic demands. You're trying to pay the mortgage and put some money away so that your kids can go to college. There's not enough time in the day to do everything you're supposed to do.
Why here's Mr. Drake, a solid customer who doesn't complain or cause problems. Yes sir, good to see you again. Is it possible that the polite Mr. Drake may invite a prostitute into his room? Are you worried about this?
Here's what you're worried about: go back to the top of this post & read Golden Rule #1. --z
I think you are putting a little too much stock into looks. Some of the biggest womanizers I know are a 6 at best. Personality counts for a lot. Kinda reminds me of my last date, people were saying the girl was way too pretty for me and wondered how much I paid for her. Wasn't sure whether to feel flattered or insulted.
300+ rooms have usually very busy lobbies; unless the provider is coming to see you at 1am. Most likely the well-reviewed lady that is coming to your room has been in the hotel before and is quite familier with the lobby layout. If she is not familiar, when giving her the room # you might want to say something like "come through the lobby and go to the right, the elevators will be on your left." That way the lady doesn't have to look for elevator signs or (can you believe) ask at the front desk.
What would tip the hotel staff that you are not a guy just having a tryst with a civie girlfriend rather than a provider?
Act like you belong and don't draw attention to yourself. Well-reviewed providers do this too.
RELAX and enjoy.
Hotel Indigo is known to work with L E doing stings. Google it
Also google "illegal activity hotels" and "signs of illegal activity"
Look like you belong there and you know what your doing.
Don't try to use cash. That's one of the first things they look for.
Allow the maids in when they ask to
Don't have high traffic or young looking companions
Be open. If your not doing anything illegal, you have nothing to hide.
Don't dress ghetto, gang, thug, punk, or hootchie mama.
et cetera.......
I have yet to hear of a an INDEPENDENT provider busted in her own private incall. There is simply no way to set up a sting, when she owns or leases the place. It is not that easy. They would have to go through mgmt. and odds are, she is already connected with them, so they would alert her of any bs. Hotels on the other hand...yea right. They comply.
I used to work as a night manager for a hotel in Florida. Occasionally we'd see a very well dressed and well groomed young lady coming in and head straight for elevators. We knew exactly why she was there' especially when she came back down a little over an hour later. Unless she looks like the type to attract trouble (obviously drunk or on drugs, or loud), we didn't care. If anything, she's bringing us business. It's the gals who are using a room as an incall and have 8-12 guys there over the day that perk up on the radar. Also, if you do enough for day staff to notice you' you will have a problem. They expect higher traffic during the day. If you have a problem with them, you should simply leave and find another room somewhere. Night staff will notice traffic but couldn't be bothered unless they get a complaint.
to see a provider. It's been said many times, if you, man or woman, dress appropriately and act like you belong there, no on is going to give you or her a second look. Know where the elevators are and whether or not you need a key to use them, and of course the room number. If you have all that information, you should have no need to engage any staff members in conversation. However, if a staff member says hi to you, return the greeting. You don't want to do anything to raise any suspicions from anyone. Places that require keys for the elevators tend to be a bit more pricey for most of us.
As long as you are seeing a well-reviewed provider, LE is going to be of little concern. She will have screened you to her satisfaction, just as you should do your research of her. If she does call your place of employment, she will use an innocent reason, like verifying some sort of appt. like a doctor's appt. Once she knows that you do in fact work there, she will more than likely hang up before you get the call.
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You are taking the risk of a woman coming to your place, and that means that she knows where you live, or where you are hosting. The neighbors around could easily find out that you hired a hooker, and I'm guessing that would be uncomfortable. So you got that completely wrong with your blanket statement.
For LE, think about the yield on a bust. If you are only busting guys who are doing outcalls, you are busting ONE guy at a time. That's a shit-ton of work for a misdemeanor. Not gonna happen.
You are way overthinking this. People don't get involved when they see a guy dating over the skis, so to speak.
You are too neurotic for this. Stop getting involved.