Personally, if she doesnt address in on her site, I leave it in plain sight, with her watching, like on a coffee table or end table, at the beginning of the session, just after you greet her. Dont talk about it. She may or may not count it at that time. Just dont refer to it unless she asks you a question about it, which would be unlikely. Some ladies prefer you leave it in the bathroom, but again, she will spell this out on her website if it is a big concern of hers.
Before until and unless you have seen her several times. If it is a first or second visit they will likely be preoccupied wondering if you are going to try to short them during the session and I am sure you don't want them distracted or less then fully committed during the session.
Think the standard practice is to place it where she can see it before the session starts. Then most suggest excusing yourself to freshen up and she can check it then if she wants to.
in a conspicuous place where she can see it. As suggested, you can then use her bathroom giving her privacy to check it out. It is a real bummer having her counted it in front of you. IMHO, most providers prefer this method, or something similar.
Swim
Let me ask you a question...what kind of date would be your be your preference: 1. One where the chick is thinking every second that you are going to short her or rip her off whilst your c*ck is in her mouth, or 2. One where she knows her time and hard work are compensated for and can deliver the best, and most RELAXING GFE? Hope that answers your question about why we prefer the money upfront.
prior to the fun beginning. I generally put the envelope down when I enter a lady's incall. I will put my keys and cell phone, making emphasis to turn the phone to "off", on top of the envelope. When I leave, I pick up my keys and cell phone and give her a goodbye kiss before heading out the door.
There will be no session.
With repeat successful sessions, ladies will sometimes handle the transaction after. In that case, the old school system is still to leave it in plain view, on her dresser or bathroom counter. In either case you leave the donation & don't "watch it". She might check it or not... say when you excuse yourself to wash your hands (or more) as you should.
Even when seeing a regular. Otherwise, there may be a chance that you might forget to leave it at the end of the session- you don't want her running after you half-naked through the hotel lobby! LOL!
Also, right after hug and kiss greeting I place the envelop on dresser or table in plain sight without drawing attention to it. At the same time I tell the lady I'd like to "wash up" in the bathroom.
This also gives her time to check my math. Almost always, the envelop is still there when I come out; especially when it is a repeat lady. NEVER hand the envelope directly to the provider. I did that once.
Well its certainly goes both ways
You can leave it before so she is know you didn't screw her, once she have the money up front then YMMV where you might get screwed.
Is there any other service industry where you pay everything upfront?
If he does his research, he won't "get screwed." If he is cruising for hundred dollar blow and gos, he just might be bait and switched, robbed, or worse. That is why TER exists. Women who DEPEND on their reputation to command higher rates, don't normally go around giving half ass service, because they know a review will pop up about it. I would not toss 5 years of consistent service, for a few bucks...nope.
Bottom line...many ladies will not do shit including taking off their shirt, until that donation is set down. You're looking at 90 percent vs. 10 percent, so I would say the odds are not in his favor to pay after. I would kindly ask the guy to leave.
Well, yes. Did you ever rent or attend a movie, attend a play, concert, or any other type of performance, go to Disneyland, eat at a buffet restaurant, or go to a ballgame? Ever fly, or travel by train, or bus? How about stay at a hotel - you don't pay up front, but they do take an impression of your credit card.
I'd say that paying up front is pretty common in the service and entertainment industries.
If I had a great time I will place a "tip" folded up in her hand as we kiss good bye.
I usually have some loose bills in my pocket so I can quickly count out with my fingers how many I want to give her. Typically, unless the service was absolutely horrid I always leave her something extra.
If it is a girl that I wil repeat often I automatically include the extra amount in the donation envelope upfront as appreciation of her stellar services. For an ATF, instead of extra cash I will bring what she personally likes; e.g. Chanel, jewelry, etc.
Unless you are planning not to pay the lady (in which case you won't last too long as a hobbyist), there is NO valid reason not to place the donation down as soon as you walk in. This goes whether its your first visit or 10th visit with a lady. Put the donation down at the start and enjoy your session.
I have heard hobbyists give every reason in the book as to why they should pay at the end. One, "she trusts me". No she really doesnt. I don't care how many times you have seen her. Do you how many countless times ladies have reitterated stories where they were stiffed (and not in good way) by clients whom they had seen multiple times before? Why would you want her thinking, "Gee, Hardy always leaves the donation at the start. Why not this time? Is he going to cheat me and not pay? Well, not Hardy? Could he? I hope he is still planning to pay" throughout the entire session? You want the ladies mind/body focussed on you; not thinking about the missing donation. Two, another great excuse: Paying at the end "creates a more GFE experience". Really? How is it GFE when after an hour of great sex, you then hand over cash for services rendered? Sure doesnt feel like a winning end to any date. If you want a true "GFE scenario", put the money down at the very start, never think about it, have a wonderful session, and walk out the door with a smile on your face. Moreover, do you know how awkward it would be at the end of a session (when the hobbyist has already gotten what he came for), when you are both getting dressed, to THEN think of the donation? You know you havent paid her. She knows you havent paid her. While you are engaging in friendly banter at the sessions end, all she is thinking about is her missing donation. She couldnt care less about what you are saying. So now, in those hectic final minutes when you are ready to leave, you are then going to reach into your pants/ or coat and find the donation? At this point, unfortunately, some hobbyists may try "to conveniently" forget about paying. They then place the provider in an uncomfortable position of having to ask for the donation. She shouldnt have to EVER ask. Three, and this is my favorite excuse hobbyists give for wanting to pay at the end: "Why should I pay for a service up front when I don't know what type of service I am going to ultimately get". You know what? Too bad. Its the part of the risk/reward of the hobby. Not all sessions are great. You may pay $300 and think it was $100 service or you may pay $400 and believe she could have charged $1000. You win some and loose some. That's hobbying. Read the reviews to minimize your disappointment. And besides, if you don't like the service the lady provided, what are you going to do? Take her to small claims court? Exactly.
There is no reason to ever not leave the donation, in plain view, at the start of every session. Nothing good comes of it.
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Excellent post! I have had several regulars simply "forget" to leave the damn thing, because we were so comfortable, that it really did just slip their mind. Making a habit of putting it in the same place when you arrive, like you do with your car keys, takes care of that. Of course, those guys made it up to me, but I have also been shorted by repeats, and it was never made up to me. People change over the course of doing this, and not everyone who starts out as a nice person who operates with integrity is guaranteed to stay that way. Both providers and hobbyists, can turn bad.
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I always leave the donation at the beginning. That said, I think you are off the mark when you say these ladies never trust their clients.
a woman you've never met, is going to trust you not to rip her off on that first meeting, is never a given...we simply don't know what is going through her head. I can tell you from countless threads, blogs, and discussions, most providers seeing new clients are on the alert. I don't have sex with someone until I am paid...end of story. If you insist on the donation upfront, you are never ripped off, and that's the bottom line. I think that is all "Hardy" was saying.
I would not think a guy who has seen me many times would rip me off, but a newbie? BS! Most providers would be nervous as hell the entire time, thinking they may have just did him for free. It's not always about "trust" either, but about common sense. Mistakes happen, as I illustrated. Both provider an hobbyist can get lost in a moment, and forget about the damn envelope. Some make it up, and some don't. That's just the way it is.
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Yes, my trust comment was not worded as for a first time visit. Just that it shouldn't be said that ladies never trust you. I don't think the person I replied to said he was referring to a first time visit when he made the claim that trust doesn't exist and it was his assertion I was addressing. I think trust can certainly form between a provider and a regular and often does.
While a level of trust CAN be formed between a provider & a hobbyist, unfortunately, it is usually the "long-term, seen over 5+ times gents" that pull this maneuver(either "forget" or are short on the donation). I've had it happen FEWER times with 1st times appointments, then with repeats.. the ONLY exceptions are the one's who I have been seeing for YEARS. It's wonderful that some of the gents on this thread fully understand where the ladies are coming from when they request the donation up front... if only everyone could be as honest & upfront as you gents
Posted By: ITAdmin
Yes, my trust comment was not worded as for a first time visit. Just that it shouldn't be said that ladies never trust you. I don't think the person I replied to said he was referring to a first time visit when he made the claim that trust doesn't exist and it was his assertion I was addressing. I think trust can certainly form between a provider and a regular and often does.
Any lady I have ever seen more than 3 or 4 times, I always settle up with her at the end. But the 10th time? Yikes. Long before that time I would have built a relationship with her where she would feel awkward if I were paying up front. Now my sessions tend to be longer so maybe I get to build a rapport that guys that see ladies for only an hour don't but I really think you way overstate here. Just my 2 cents.
I prefer my $ upfront & have no problemo counting it in front of you too!
I personally in my short time experince i leave it before the session starts i dont hand it to her i either place it down on the night stand or below the alarm clock whatever i she asks for 100 its there but dont count it infront of me i find it straight rude if you must count it go to bathroom or excuse yourself and count it but i wouldnt rip you off because your here to show me a great time and im there to enjoy myself. i wouldnt waste your time dont waste mine type of deal
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Homie2989
Thanks for the help. I always leave it at the end. Just habit I guess. No disrespect or anything. I leave it on the counter or something as I am leaving. I just don't want to offend any of the awesome ladies that I have seen or am planning on seeing.
Posted By: TaleOfWoe
Do you usually leave the donation before a session or leave it as you are walking out of the door? How do providers prefer the donation to be left?
