So lately I have been contacted by a lot of gentlemen claiming they have found me on TER-but they have no reviews,white listings, or provider references. So for all of you gentlemen that are newbies, there are a lot of providers that are newbie friendly! However when we ask you to go fill out our appointment forms, please go fill it out and complete it as much as possible. (That will be your best chance of being seen by a provider) The most important thing to providers, is being comfortable about the person we are considering to see! If you are avoiding certain things, or do not want to disclose certain information- I suggest that you go to one of the verification sites!! That will help you in the future for your screening process. The reason for this thread is to help inform the newbies on the screening process. This is a professional site, just calling or emailing a provider like "hey I would like to see you" does not work and will never work. So please if you would like to be a member in this community, you need to do as every gentlemen has in the past and build your status as a 'gentleman'. When I was first starting on this site, gentlemen would not see me because I had no reviews. I had to work very hard to EARN all of my reviews and establish my self in the community. This is not a game, this is a privilege because there are a lot of beautiful and professional providers on this site that will most likely change your life! 
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I hope that this helps some of the new gents understand the screening process when contacting a provider
XOXO Kayden
....but they do not post, or write reviews. These are gentlemen who prefer to remain utr. "Earning a reputation" can be done without writing a hundred reviews, or in my case, not having a hundred reviews.
Joining a verification site is good, but many ladies do not accept it as a sole means of verification. I clearly state in my profile, that one still must forward the appointment form from my website if they wish to arrange a date with me.
Great post Kayden!
Hugs and Kisses,
Kelly
Posted By: BeautywithBrains
....but they do not post, or write reviews. These are gentlemen who prefer to remain utr. "Earning a reputation" can be done without writing a hundred reviews, or in my case, not having a hundred reviews.
Joining a verification site is good, but many ladies do not accept it as a sole means of verification. I clearly state in my profile, that one still must forward the appointment form from my website if they wish to arrange a date with me.
Great post Kayden!
Hugs and Kisses,
Kelly
I too don't have a single review to my name, I have been doing "this" for decades and I have yet to fill out a single one of those insipid forms, nor do I ever intend to.
My advice for Newbies is to join a service like P 411, get a few "okay's" under your belt, and you will be good to go for 90%+ of the ladies out there.
As for giving out personal information, if you don't mind having your info out there, by all means do it. It will make the lady feel much more comfortable in seeing you, I personally don't mind doing it myself, but I have NOTHING to lose, as I am completely "blackmail proof", most people are NOT in that position. If you are the least bit uncomfortable giving out sensitive information to a provider that could ruin your marriage, cost you you job, or otherwise impact your life, then don't do it. Only give out the info that YOU feel comfortable giving.
Sorry Ladies, but the guys have every bit as much to lose as you do, handing over your life history to a woman who might turn out to be BSC and who might try to ruin your life over something as small as an 8/8 review, should not be taken lightly
I will confess there are many women like Kelly who won't see you without you filling out their stupid form, but there are countless providers who WILL see you, It's all about your comfort level. Personally, if a woman states adamantly that she won't see a client without him first filling out her form, I simply move on to the next lady without a moments hesitation.
Great advice!!..
also please note I only REQUIRE that form for gentlemen that have no reviews, no p411, or multiple references. If you have a bunch of reviews or ok's thats enough for me. I was only referring to the gents who are brand new to this and have nothing Once established in the community- a pm from ter or p411 will have you set to go..
xoxo kayden
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I found your post quite informative and helpful for the newbies that it was written for, my issue was with Kelly's post which suggested that it is is necessary for all hobbyists to fill out those stupid little forms, which we all know (or at least we all should by now) is simply not true.
Your post should be taken to heart by all newbies faced with the "Catch 22" of having no references and how best to pass screening in which to start building a reputation. Although I am one of TER best known posters(blabbermouths), even I have sprung for a P411 membership and have several "okays" there to make it easier for the ladies who don't know me from TER to feel safe when booking with me for the first time. Please don't take my refusal to fill out forms with a disdain for the safety of the ladies. Besides, I want a lady to be focused on having fun with me when we meet, not wondering in the back of her mind if I might be LE or a serial killer. lol
I am also new and have been asked to fill out what I consider very intrusive forms.
I don't understand how this helps the provider feels comfortable.
Is the concern by the provider that I am a cop or a crazy person? Or that they don't want to wast their time on someone who is not serious? Or something else
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Most providers have no control or not complete control over their websites. The forms are intrusive and I have never completed one, nor will I ever. Many sites are (especially the "free sites") are viewed by third parties.
It's bad news when a provider gets busted and her laptop confiscated with dozens or even hundreds of real names, addresses and phone #'s recoverable.
The answer is the verification sites first and foremost and provider references, not those insecure forms.
Your intentions are good, but lacking in objectivity.
...website. As Panthera said, the info is not very secure as it is floating around in cyberspace. I prefer to send the info via email so it is just me, her and the NSA who sees it.
It's really not the form itself we're worried about. As long as I have the info I need, I really don't give a shit about the format in which I receive it. 
understands how this game is played. Someday I hope to meet her in person.
Simply send a private email directly with all the information the provider requires in 1 introduction email to be considered.
........the form is not required.
The problem arises when one has to follow up with numerous e-mails when gentlemen do not provide all the information I ask for.
Hugs and Kisses,
Kelly
If I sent a request for an appointment from my P411 account, which has my profile and okays, what additional information is needed?
To be honest, while I do look at a lady's website, it is to see how she presents herself. I do not look at the contact or appointment section at all as I have no intention of contacting her that way for the reasons the other men have mentioned.
I realize all the ladies have different screening, but so far, I have never been asked for any additional info beyond what is contained in the P411 request.
For some of us p 411 with several okays is enough, p 411 with several okays including some providers whom we know personally, P 411 with a couple of okays and we may contact them personally to check on the okay, or we might require additional information such as real name, employment information, or phone contact info. it is then completely up to you what you want to provide if anything additional.
P411 is a great way to contact a provider i actually love when a gentleman has p411
if you have reviews and or ok's the screening process is a lot more simple I was really referring to the gentlemen that have no reviews, p411,references ect.... again p411 is great and I love when gentlemen have it
I recently had to put a disclaimer on my P411 ad because a lot of guys seem to think that having Okays on there makes them exempt from any additional screening. While some gals will accept verification sites as a sole method of screening, I am not one of them (and I believe Kelly is of the same mindset when it comes to that). My reasoning for such a policy is that P411, as well as the other verification sites, has had some issues with LE infiltration, guys sharing accounts, and ladies giving Okays to guys who they haven't had real dates with. Besides, if someone were to decide to get violent with me, it's not going to help the authorities much if all I have is a guy's P411 ID.
Posted By: HarleySullivan
If I sent a request for an appointment from my P411 account, which has my profile and okays, what additional information is needed?
To be honest, while I do look at a lady's website, it is to see how she presents herself. I do not look at the contact or appointment section at all as I have no intention of contacting her that way for the reasons the other men have mentioned.
I realize all the ladies have different screening, but so far, I have never been asked for any additional info beyond what is contained in the P411 request.
Hi BCG;
I understand your point. I never expect a woman to take the fact that I have lots of "okays" at P411 as her sole method of screening but rather view it as a starting point. Although in my experience many women, having seen lots of "okays" go no further with screening. But I'd expect a more thorough woman would contact some of the ladies who have given me "okays" to see what they had to say. Often times a lady I'm setting something up with knows one of my "okays" and hence will feel very comfortable about the intell they get from them.
I'm simply curious, do you feel you need a guys full real name, address, workplace etc before seeing them? Personally, I had a huge problem once with a woman I'd gotten to know very well, and trusted. She knew my "real" info and thus was able to cause me no end of grief for awhile. Since that episode I've been extremely reluctant to share too much personal info.
Regards........RR
Posted By: riorunner
I'm simply curious, do you feel you need a guys full real name, address, workplace etc before seeing them? Personally, I had a huge problem once with a woman I'd gotten to know very well, and trusted. She knew my "real" info and thus was able to cause me no end of grief for awhile. Since that episode I've been extremely reluctant to share too much personal info.
I've personally never asked for an address, and I only ask for employer info if the gentleman has no references. Real full names, however, are a must for me whether he has references or not. Only once have I had a problem with a dangerous client, and I was able to take the measures that I needed to protect myself because I had enough info to seek help from the proper authorities.
In any event, I'm sorry that you had that happen to you. If it were up to me, she'd be kicked out of the hooker union (if one existed) because ladies who pull shit like that make it harder for the rest of us. That pisses me off to no end. I really don't understand why any provider would be willing to risk her own reputation by doing something like that. I hope that any of you guys who have had that happen are backchanneling the shit out of the ladies who do that.
Hi Harley;
I agree 100%. I too look at a woman's complete website, mostly for the visuals as well as to see how she presents herself. Although I've learned to take the quality of their writing with a grain of salt. I've met a few who had website text that was very well done but turned out to come across as having the intelligence of a rock, obviously their websites were written by someone else.
Also agree with the men who never fill out appointment forms on a website. I never have and never will do that. My reviews are under an alias and I seldom even write them anymore but I do have plenty of "okays" at P411 and plenty of ladies willing to vouch for me in any form or fashion I might need.
Regards........RR
Well said!! There is nothing more annoying about having to ask every question! LOL.. Fill out the info, and send it however you wish..as long as we have what we need
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Absolutely !!!!!! as long as we recieve the Info requested then we are able to do what we need to do to screen the gentleman. email or on website makes no difference
My thread was directed to the NEWBIES.. There is nothing illegal about wanting to see a beautiful lady! Most emails simply say "hey i would like to see you for 2 hours" (of course with all necessary info for screening process). now if in a email- a guy or provider states any references to sexual activity then there is grounds for illegal activity, so I don't understand this whole if a laptop gets confiscated idea. If a gentleman contacts me using any form of lewd comments or references, then I simply do not reply. so please tell me what there is to be worried about?
Also im sure I can speak for most providers when saying, we would like to know who the heck we are going to go see and spend time with!!! Main focus being comfortable and feeling safe! Do you really think we want to go see a person that cant provide any information about who they are? (Unless already established in the community)...DEFINITELY NOT! Sorry. That's why it's important and a privilege to establish yourself in the community! When I see a guy has 10 reviews- I feel comfortable seeing him, verses a guy that is a ghost.. just a little idea of how the provider thinks!
This thread was also to help all the newbie gents in there search to see a provider! But if they did happen to have 3 or more references, that would be great! (They would be aware of the screening process and know how important it is!!) So please instead of knocking my advice, try to give some advice to the people who do not know!! My only aim was to help!!!!!!!
Let me ask you a question; how are we suposed to screen a gentleman that has no references and will not provide any info about himself? ie- 'my name is john doe and I want to see you. Im a nice guy I promise' ....lmfao ummmmmm no definatly not..
Posted By: Panthera12inches
Most providers have no control or not complete control over their websites. The forms are intrusive and I have never completed one, nor will I ever. Many sites are (especially the "free sites") are viewed by third parties.
It's bad news when a provider gets busted and her laptop confiscated with dozens or even hundreds of real names, addresses and phone #'s recoverable.
The answer is the verification sites first and foremost and provider references, not those insecure forms.
Your intentions are good, but lacking in objectivity.
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Again, my point was the invasive and insecure forms. Yes, this is the newbie board which is why I was compelled to comment and warn the newbies against this unwise practice. I should really spend more time on this board. I really should.
So now as a newbie, I have gone to a couple of AMPs in the area. I have met up with a BP girl that I bailed due to the B&S. I would like to spend time with a real provider. But I can't use the AMPs as reference, and I am self employed. Now trying date check and 411, self employed is not verifiable to them. What do you think would be my best bet would be to gain some sort of status. Try a couple of BP girls and write reviews? Not sure where to go here.
...they will talk to you and get something figured out to verify you. They have a reputation of working with people to get verified. Self employed guys are often on here with the same issue.
If so, many of them are much easier where it comes to screening, and while most indies won't take them as a reference, P411 will.
I too am self employed, and I had no problems getting verified with P 411, they are very flexible, and will go the extra mile for you if you can be a bit flexible yourself. Personally, even though I have seen literally thousands of providers, I hate using references, It's a pain in the ass, both for me and the ladies I have to bother. P411 makes all that go away. Chalk me up as a fan.
...I have to agree with Panthera. I won't do those forms either. My reasons are the ones he stated. I don't have a problem giving the lady the info she needs but not that way. I wouldn't recommend a newbie fill them out. They will of course have to make up there own mind about that.
I don't blame you for wanting the info but I would ask if there wasn't some other way to get it to you. I have seen many providers with forms on their site that will also accept the info in e-mail.
Thanks for posting Kayden. It is important for newbies to know about screening. It's good that you mentioned the verification sites too.
I remember when you came here to ask questions. I'm glad to see you are doing well.
Xyz123 thank you for remembering me and also thank you for the additional advice for all the newbies out there. website form or email makes no difference to us as long as we have the info requested im happy
xoxo kayden
Kayden makes some Great points for the screening process! Good post!
Screening is important for our safety.
With all due respect to each provider;
Every provider will have their own opinion, and their own way of screening, as it should be, to make her feel comfortable.
It is each ladies choice. Gentlemen should respect each ladies screening choice if he wants to see her. Some ladies require more or less info than others, it is each ladies choice on how she runs her business.
My choice- email or phone.( no text no forms ) Many reasons, I quit the forms years ago.
Of course I do screen! absolutely !
Again, personal choice, Ladies decision.
Gentlemen should respect each woman's choice to use form, verify site, or voice or however she requires to communicate! The girl sets the rules on that !
As for the verification sites, IMO
It is nice when a Gent belongs to one, But really doesn't matter to me as I screen the same for everyone.
I would never use just the verify sites 'okay' to do my screening.
Not saying anyone does, just sayin how I do
I still require the same info from everyone, regardless if on a verify site or not.
Happy Hobbying!
Char X
I am never filling out those forms either. Especially upon first enquiry, when it is not known whether the lady is even available. Why provide personal information to someone you may not even be able to see? If a provider demands real names or other personal information as a first step and does not provide an up to date calendar, then I will just pass. Or attempt contact over e mail to see if the schedule even works, while at the same time providing P411 and TER verification. I get ignored probably 30% of the time doing this.
Ladies - if you have iron clad rules on personal information, then at least keep your calendar current.
I agree! Great advice.. The best way to contact a provider is to.....
1.first email her asking if she is available on such and such date and times
2.when you receive the 'yes I am available email' from her continue on ... she will ask you to go fill out the Info she needs via website , email (however she just needs that info asap). Also if you have ter or p411- pm the provider from your account so she knows thats your account. You would not believe how many guys try to say there handle is ********* and its really not theirs!!...
3. Kind of important tip for all gentlemen out there: please try to respond back in a timely fashion, it helps us to complete screening so much easier! When I recieve an email I respond back right away-unless im sleeping (but sometimes an email will wake me up)... point is I always respond in a timely manner! Thank you all for taking this into consideration!
Also newbie " providers" please respond in a timely fashion to other providers that are requesting a provider reference. it helps us all In 'The verification process'. Thank you all again for making this community what it is today!!
XOXO kayden
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since my first year of doing this. And only then because no one told me not to on a newbie board. Not in over a decade since.
Let's not stand on semantics and agree that if we directly email the necessary info, most providers will be okay with that. I presume these forms just generate email traffic for you ladies anyway, which you then have to sift through. I only started using p411 to simplify the process or else I was doing fine just finding a provider on TER and emailing directly.
For the newbies, just make sure you cut the bs, keep your hellos to a kind professional minimum, and include all the details the provider needs for screening and scheduling a date/time that works for you both. As you heard, don't ask about services in an introductory email. blah blah.
