I have never failed to pass screening, but I have passed on literally hundreds of women because of a shitty attitude. Like I said in my post, neither side has any ultimate power, we are just as free to pass on you as you are to pass on us. The difference of course is that we pass on a lady it doesn't cost us a cent.
I've got P411, but I don't think it shows my full name anywhere. Is just having the P411 profile enough for a provider or do they need to be able to see your first and last name?
P/411 explains how your 411 code was made up. 1st name etc. She (Gina who owns 411) always says 411 is only to be used as ONE form of screening. It is encouraged to have clients show the specific things that led to your code. Last name is not part of code but some girls do request anyway. Some girls will want to see your code stuff and others won't. Individual basis I guess but its only to make sure that the client screened through 411 is the actual client in front of the girl. Unless a pic is attached to your profile she has no way of knowing that johnB is with her vs his friend or worse. I personally do not ask for last name with 411 clients but I do check first part of code.
pick a Newbie friendly lady to start, get a few okays, then you will be able to book with probably 95% of the P411 ladies without needing to provide more screening info.
alas, they never give it to me - so we just call it even and have a good time! 
...still require the information they ask for on their appointment form: name as it appears on DL, place of employment, etc.
Each lady is different. I clearly state in my P411 profile, that I still must have the appointment form.
Hugs and Kisses,
Kelly
and decide what information you are willing to give or what you are comfortable giving her. The final decision will be made by her. Every lady has different screening requirements.Screening is a very personal thing. On the side note, P411 encourages providers to check the DL in order to verify that the account indeed is yours. In some instances, gentlemen have been sharing accounts so checking the ID deters these practices.
is a very personal thing. Neither should feel pressured to go outside of their comfort zone.
It is well understood that in order to see CERTAIN ladies, a guy will need to share his full name and perhaps even his place of employment. But it is equally true to say that if a guy gets verified by P411 that the overwhelming majority of P411 ladies will see him once he gets several okays. Obviously, many guys ARE comfortable sharing their personal info, because ladies such as yourself and Kelly are highly successful, but to keep things in the right perspective, that level of screening requirement is the exception rather than the rule for P411. Many guys sign up with P411 specifically FOR this reason - to have P411 screen, so they WON'T have to share their name with anyone else in order to enjoy the hobbying world. This is why I did it.
You are correct regarding a lady's right to ask you to validate who you are once you show up. However, only the info that comprises the P411 ID is needed, namely, your first name, and the last several digits of whatever ID you used to create that number (did not have to be a DL, but many, perhaps even most, probably do use this). When I first started, I assumed ladies would ask to see this info when I showed up, but none have so far. I had actually covered up with stickers my last name and other info not needed to verify my P411 number (I think P411 themselves mention this as an option for guys). Obviously, I, like many guys, was extremely apprehensive to enter this world. Going over the speed limit was the "worst" thing I'd done prior to this.
I think it's important on the Newbie board that guys be given the right picture of the lay of the hobbying landscape, so they can make informed decisions by weighing the possibilities open to them against their comfort level.
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First off let me first agree with you that out of a few hundred ladies that I have seen through P 411 NONE of them have asked to see my ID so far. Personally I don't care if they do, as I am happily divorced and self employed, making me basically "blackmail proof", but so far none of the hundreds of women that I have booked through P 411 have ever asked me to do so.
I agree with Paloma that every lady is different in her screening requirements, but I disagree that
"The final decision will be made by her"
Actually the final decision will be a mutual one that either what she asks, he is willing to give, or not. Many providers here like to give the impression that it's "their way or the highway" and that's simply not true.
My advice to every guy here is to only give out what information you are comfortable with. If you don't feel comfortable, DON'T DO IT. There will always be another lady that will accept what you are willing to give. Although there may be some women that you will simply have to accept the fact that they won't see you.
I turn guys down all the time that technically passed screening. If I don't like his attitude over email, I don't really care what he's willing to send to verify himself. If he's not willing to be screened to my liking, well, then that is a person I decided not to see before he even contacted me.
An entitled attitude will not get you far with ladies who have proven themselves and built their business to the point where they don't need yours. New girls and desperate girls might put up with it, but don't be fooled. We are choosing whether or not to see you from the very first email.
I agree with Paloma that every lady is different in her screening requirements, but I disagree that
"The final decision will be made by her"
Actually the final decision will be a mutual one that either what she asks, he is willing to give, or not. Many providers here like to give the impression that it's "their way or the highway" and that's simply not true.
My advice to every guy here is to only give out what information you are comfortable with. If you don't feel comfortable, DON'T DO IT. There will always be another lady that will accept what you are willing to give. Although there may be some women that you will simply have to accept the fact that they won't see you.
His point was, when a client and provider agree to meet it is a mutual agreement.
You don't see every guy who might want to see you, and guys don't want to see every provider who would gladly take their business. Pretty simple stuff.
And both of these can be for a multitude of reasons. Like you said, sometimes you reject based on your perception of a guy's attitude, and believe me, guys do the same - I certainly do.
It's a big world, we can all play the way we want and be happy.
I have never failed to pass screening, but I have passed on literally hundreds of women because of a shitty attitude. Like I said in my post, neither side has any ultimate power, we are just as free to pass on you as you are to pass on us. The difference of course is that we pass on a lady it doesn't cost us a cent.
Au contraire, cheri. It costs me not a dime when I say "No thank you" to you or someone else like you. And I do it all the time.
And yes, the final decision is always mine.
From mine, quite the opposite.
Have a nice day.
This transaction should be as anonymous as possible on both sides until you are comfortable. I would be very hesitant to reveal a last name. If she is asking for your ID, is she willing to show you hers?
This argument, "show me yours and I'll show you mine" always gets an eye roll from us ladies who ask for this. References mean nothing when the guy was busted last week. P411 and DateCheck have cops gain control of accounts on a regular basis. The only way for me to know that you are at the very least more than likely not a cop or a murderer is to actually look you up and make sure you haven't been busted or convicted of anything.
And if something does go wrong, then we should be able to do something about it. I know girls who have been beaten up, robbed, and raped, and guess what. Those guys are still walking around doing it to other girls because there are no repercussions from LE for us in the first place, and the girl couldn't even report him if she wanted to. I understand being uneasy, but I would feel much more uneasy about a girl who doesn't truly know who she's meeting.
When a girl gets murdered, it's always "how could this happen? Why isn't anyone doing anything?" Well, it's because someone put up with a sketch ball when they shouldn't have. We don't ask for your name because we care so much about how to screw you over later, it's because we want to make sure you're not dangerous. Why this is so hard to understand, and downright agitating to some, I will never get. Unless you're one of the bad guys, you really don't have anything to worry about.
"Unless you are one of the bad guys, you really don't have anything to worry about."
So guys' personal info has NEVER been abused by a provider?
Great to know.
You know, most guys COMPLETELY get the safety concers of ladies, we do empathize with ladies and want them to feel safe and more importantly, to be safe. But honestly, the completely obtuse attitude by some who are 100% dissmissive of the safety concern of many men, giving it NO credence whatsoever, has surprised me. The classy understand the real concerns of both parties, and that we all make the best choices that work for us. Those who myopically only see things from their own self-interested point of view and to hell with everyone else? I've learned that there is very little point in discussing things with them quite frankly...
The fact is, a simple google search and a few emails could really ruin a lot of men's lives. For those that feel that way, playing as safe as possible is a high priority - and this is why so many are thankful for the great service that Gina at P411 has provided - it has enabled guys who might never of dreamt of hobbying because of the risk, to enter and happily play in this world. These men should not be insulted by some providers just because they don't play the game by those providers' rules. This world is big enough for people who play and operate in different ways.
with 10 years of excellent reviews is highly unlikely to be working with LE, attempting to blackmail her clients or a bait-and-switch.
A little research goes a long way for the gentleman choosing a lady.
There have been many highly reviewed providers that have gone BSC on their clients for things as seemingly slight as giving an 8/8 review.
Any one who doesn't believe me can simply do a search on any major TER board.
safe with you. If you don't want to comply with their request, then move on and find a provider with less stringent screening requirements.
Won't book if more is required either. So far I've never been turned down.
have reviews on different sites for you to check, there's tineye to check our pics. Some of ya even contact our past clients to verify accuracy of the reviews, etc.
If a lady has ever done anything with anyone's personal info. I'm sure it would be written somewhere, someone would put a caution out on the girl. If she was affiliated with a site like P-411 & misused a clients info., I know that Gina would ban that provider frm her site.
So if you are choosing reputable providers you shouldn't have any worry of any of those ladies doing anything with your info. except to make sure that she will be safe.
The only time I've heard of any type of lady doing anything scandelous- is from girls out there who don't have good reviews, who advertise $100 specials, & don't have profiles on professional review sites.
I read of a guy having a bad time with a provider who ripped him off- googled her number, checked her ter reviews & amazingly she had 12 reviews each one stating she wud steal their money & not provide any services.
When your looking for a lady, you choose ones who your attracted to, then you narrow your list by checking her reviews & reading her profiles making sure she offers the services you seek. You most likely are going to see a lady & insist she provide you with services that are illegal- So why in the hell do you feel that you shouldn't have to give her enough information about yourself to make her feel comfortable?
And if you are a client who has taken risks & gotten yourself caught & you left a trail of info out tthere, incriminatting texts, emails....then own your actions! Many girls are being caught from you, who insisted to text/email explicit (& asking for strap on play or greek- yes these are explicit phrases that shudn't be on anyone's phone or email), got yourself caught then turned around & gave out her info & even participated in getttin a reputable provider in trouble.
P-411 just banned a guy who got caught & turned over his account & they busted 10 providers. Own your actions.
A reputable provider only wants the info. to keep her safe. If you feel that you shouldn't have to give out any of your info. then you really you shouldn't expect to see a quality provider.