If you are caught in a sting the first thing that they will ask for is your I.D.
It stands to reason that seeing providers who don't screen thoroughly will increase one's chances of getting caught in a sting.
Do whatever you want with your own safety. You are giving bad advice to the newbs here.
For the guys who don't understand what is meant by don't give your real information to a hooker, I'll spell it out here in a PSA:
CREATE A FAKE IDENTITY TO HOBBY WITH.
That's what the hookers you patronize do. They often call it a "stage name."
It's not illegal to create a fake identity. Nor is it illegal to obtain real and convincing documentation to back up that fake identity, if you want. In fact, it's kinda fun! The only time it's illegal is if you present yourself as your alias to government officials, or banks, title companies, etc.
There are auxiliary things you are hopefully already doing along these lines already, that being a hobby email account, and a hobby phone. Hopefully you did not use your real name and info to register those either. You can also create a Facebook account (be smart about it, to keep your loved ones from finding it.) to help establish your presence.
No hooker I've even patronized knows my real name. If they use their hooker bag-of-tricks (the same bag private investigators use) to look up my stage name, they will come back with info that matches what I give them. If they ask to see my ID, I show them one that matches my stage name. (There are no laws against fooling hookers with fake IDs; as if they would call the cops anyway.)
But here is the thing: you don't have to go that far with expensive fake IDs. All providers really want is to know you are a SAFE, decent client. Good referrals will take care of that.
There are plenty of ladies that have websites and reviews, WHO GIVE REFERENCES, that will see you WITH OUT references. They might not be the ones you want to see, but find them any way. Go 2 or 3 times, enjoy yourself, and treat them extra nice. Then write good reviews. When you have 2 or 3 of those ladies who will now give you references, book with a couple more highly known ladies and do the same.
Lastly, if you want to travel and hobby, you can take your high-end referrals and your "Hobby Identity" and secure a membership with P411 or DateCheck.
At that point you are a known, safe desirable hobbyist who can book with any hooker you want.
This takes a bit of time, and patience, but you will be seeing hookers and having a good time while you build "your" reputation
That's retarded, and why many women want more info. The providers stupid enough to see a newbie without screening him, are no one I would ever trust. I don't require real info. except in my home town, and I don't much care if you have 100 references...you can either give it up, or take a hike. When I tour, don't much care. TER handle and refs, is all I need because I highly doubt my brother's friends or any of my old professors are hobbying, there.
I agree that a newbie should not just give his info. to anyone, but he better have a P411 account or he is giving it to someone. Like you said, why would he waste money on some woman who is disgusting and does not screen, just to get a ref from her? Who is going to accept it?
You might be up on the third tier, London. That is, a provider who does total due diligence and never accepts bookings without top-notch referrals from ladies who you know do the same.
But do you really KNOW they do the same?
I'll tell you the answer is, NO they don't. Most are on the second tier, as I'll call it, where they give and receive referrals from other providers, even if they don't personally know them. The first tier, as I call it is providers who will see men without referrals, but will give referrals to other providers.
Most second tier, will accept first tier referrals, because SOMEONE has fucked the guy first, and they want the business. Most of these have P411 and date check memberships and will vouch for a guy.
Once a guy has that type of credential, there is always a way into that third top tier.
That's what I did, without ever writing reviews or giving a board handle or real name to a provider. I assure you, my "credentials" would pass your verification, as I am now turned down by none.
(PS I only write reviews now on the tier 1 providers I decide to see on occasion; and I never reference my handle)
And no, your "credentials" would not pass my verification because I require a TER handle with reviews, or full name and employment. Which are you willing to give up? I think you confuse hookers who need your money, with those who don't. I can assure you, I do not.
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That you do not see retired gents, or gents who don't write reviews. Absolutely NOTHING wrong with that!
No one can reasonable fault your choice of screening methods; it's YOUR comfort level that is number 1. But I'm sure you know, you are in an amazing small minority with those criteria. And certainly women who do see retired gents and non-reviewers could not be considered idiots in anyone's book.
A guy does not have to "write" reviews now, but he has to have a profile with some on there so I can get a glimpse of how much of an asshole or gent, he is. You can tell a lot about a man by how he speaks about the women, he reviews. If he does NOT have that, he is probably a newbie and I require full name and employment for that. I love P411 and highly recommend that site, but if a guy has no refs, he is upping the info. to ME. I am not a newbie provider, so though I made some of the mistakes you touched on back in the day, I feel no need to take those risks now.
The gals you'll be seeing are the ones who care less about their personal safety, and that is not such a good thing for the client.
You might even be hooking up with LE. They are known for not being very selective on who they bust.
"ones who care less about their personal safety"?
By the way, do you actually think avoiding a sting or bust is such a difficult thing?
she is actually seeing, she puts herself at greater risk than a gal who knows the person's name and address. It figures that a bad client isn't going to give her that information.
Avoiding arrest is not so difficult if you see well reviewed providers, and those who work safely as well.
If, on the other hand, you see a gal who does little or minimal screening, there is a higher chance that she will be LE, even if she has some reviews. (LE can always post some phony reviews to lend some credibility to their decoys.)
What I mean is, in all my years of seeing providers, I have never once been asked for my address. I provide my "full name", phone number, and my references. That is all I have ever needed. Granted it took a couple of years to figure out how to work up through the "tiers" of providers (see my response to London) and get the top references. (Actually, I rarely even use my membership numbers.)
I agree with what you say about the LE risk, but again, it is really a bit academic in that all of this "common wisdom" and information about risk comes from what are basically bystanders repeating what they have read. I bet not one of the recognizable posters here (like Boston or Hills) have any real personal experience or direct knowledge of LE operations, protocols, etc.
Now I'm not recommending that noobs ignore standard advice, I'm just saying this: I actually know what I'm talking about (we'll leave it at that) and the risks are far less than you would believe, AND how you handle yourself - your skills which CAN be learned - are what is important in avoiding stings. Frankly, it just ain't that hard to determine. Truthfully, your greatest risk using unreviewed girls is not getting a good session. Even ROBS are not THAT common and are easy to spot... IF you know what's what.
What it boils down to is simple. Limiting the information that you are willing to give out will also limit the women who are willing to see you.
Carrying a fake ID is a felony on many states. In other words, it's a worse crime than being caught with a hooker in the first place.
No one has all the answers but I would caution any newbie against carrying fake identification.
Having a fake ID is a misdemeanor almost everywhere, with only a couple of states as exceptions. That's not the same as modifying a state document or using a fake ID to defraud anyone. (as if defrauding a hooker would ever come into play.)
You've never done this, and you are talking out your ass. I have both researched this well and worked on the advice of my defense attorney.
Secondly, you will only be 'caught' carrying it if you are required to have a full body search because you have been arrested for a crime, or you are stupid enough to submit to a search, or to use the ID.
Besides, the point wasn't recommending fake IDs to newbies. It is that IF YOU WANT TO SEE A PROVIDER THAT REQUIRES YOUR ID, which some do, you can go that route too if you are smart about it.
Lastly, limiting info will ONLY limit who you see TEMPORARILY, if you have a brain and patience. Which I have both. I see whomever I want, have impeccable referrals and P411 and DC memberships (invited to both) and only one hooker has ever seen my real identity. See my reply to London.
Cheer to you, mate!
If you are caught in a sting the first thing that they will ask for is your I.D.
It stands to reason that seeing providers who don't screen thoroughly will increase one's chances of getting caught in a sting.
Do whatever you want with your own safety. You are giving bad advice to the newbs here.
Referring to providers as "hookers" won't make it easy to get through the door. Not with any self respecting, reputable lady anyway.
LOL, you must not post much. Most of us call ourselves that, because we are not deluded. It's not meant as an insult, in "most" cases.
Actually, I post frequently. I just typically stay in my own region. I'll break it down in simpler terms. "Ladies" on the Mn board would eat the op alive over his reference to them as "hookers" & they DEFINITELY would NOT book with him. You may want to note he DID eliminate the "H" word from his vocabulary once confronted. Smart man. (I suppose)
I'll have to "come up north" and see how you "ladies" do things now, doncha know.
PS Hooker is not an insult, sugarwalls!
PEACE, LOVE, DOPE
Please don't! We are companions, ladies, ect here who respect ourselves & will rub two pennies together before seeing disrespectful ass-hats such as yourself! Oops! Sorry! We actually do have those BP gals that don't screen, post fake pics, upsell & so on. They'll be waiting for ya babe. Just be sure & do the finger test prior to dipping your stick in it & cutting yourself on that crack pipe that "hooker" has stashed in her hooch! Good luck to ya hater!
Yup. It's been my experience that when conversing with the hood it's imperative you speak the language to insure your point isn't missed or misunderstood. "Yawn" This has gotten beyond boring. Go ahead miss lady. I'll move aside now so to can get in you "typical" last word now. Happy "hooking!"
I am not making fun of the way you come across by any means...I am as bold as the come, but at the same time I don't run around acting so offended when someone calls me a hooker or whore...last I checked, spreading your legs for money (by the damn hour no less) has a clear cut connotation. Then again, this HOOKER would never suck a guy's c*ck knowing he had HERPES and just toss a condom on it. Then, admit that on a public board, no less bwahahhaa. Yes honey, that post is still on "Icky" I am afraid. 
Toodles.
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Hope to meet up with you there sometime!
I agree, Boston. Advice given to newbies should not be, "try and trick a provider" but hey...that's why some of you are tricks and some of you are "friends" lol.
I wonder what Gina will think when she reads this thread? Hmmmmm
makes me wonder, just how much advice you should be giving to fellow hobbyists. Sitting in a Salt Lake City hotel lobby surfing Backpage and on what appears to be a whim seeing a provider without doing any research really is amazing.
In your review you admit to getting lucky with Passion's looks, let me add that you were lucky you didn't run into LE. SLC is notorious for being unfriendly to the hobby. All you have to do is search the "other board" and look for posts by Scoed.
The fact that your original post was moved from the GD board to the Newbie board indicates you don't seem to able to recognize a newbie topic from a GD board topic.
You have always been so full of yourself Hills! But I'm cool with that.
PEACE, LOVE, DOPE.
Oops! I meant glowerlord & thanks BTW for taking the time out of your busy life for considering me so special that you lost all that sleep creating an alias in my honor! What a peach you are! Happy "Tricking!"