Thanks, Edrienne. Since I use P411, I guess I can assume that there is usually some communication between the ladies when I am being verified? For you, is there a point, a number of okays, at which that communication is no longer needed? And does that also mean that TER whitlist referrals are speak better about the hobbyist?

Just curious, like to understand how it works and how people use it, particularly because I use P411 a lot.

Zig

I am sorry to hear that.

I joined mostly to make the ladies screening me job easier. If the OKs are semi-compulsorily it makes the OKs not very useful. Looks like I waisted about $300 on that life time membership. I already automatically send my full real name and some reference so I am guessing that adding P411 info isn't going to add much. If it is compulsorily and if it is not leveled, why to the ladies use it at all? Thanks for explaining how it works.

...my experience is that P411 allows a provider to remove her OK simply for less than a rave review.  Now, is it possible she lied to P411 and used one of the reasons you cite?  I doubt that simply because I assume they might have checked with me to find out if any of these very serious offenses had happened.  If P411 believed they had, I would have expected to be delisted, which I was not.  In fact, my "offense" was to give her a 7/7 in a TER review.  When it was posted, she asked me nicely to have it removed.  I contacted TER Admin and ask that they do so.  They refused.  However, subsequently the review was "unapproved" as "unverified."  This is only a guess, but I think she told both TER and P411 that the date had never taken place.  Do I really care?  No.  She's a nice person but turned out to be not my type.  I said lots of nice things about her in the review but apparantly she felt it dragged her scores down.  From her point of view she's just trying to protect her business.  I still have 4 "OKs" on P411 and Date-Check, plus a whitelist from one of NY's top providers so it's not a problem.

This is not quite true - I can think of one provider I saw and requested an OK, and it was never received.  I emailed the provider and she claims she gave me one, but it was never posted.  I pinged p411 and they said they would look into it, but I never got it and I am not aware of any fallback on the provider.  However, I would not see her again.

Please understand that I have no control over how the rules are enforced.  I only stated what the rules are to the best of my knowledge.  I don't think I am violating any privacy issues by posting the below excerpt of P411's rules regarding OKs.... If I am, many apologies to the offended party and mod, please remove this post!
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Your P411 account may be suspended for an indefinite period if:

    *  you decline to give Okays to client members who have not presented a real problem during your visit. (a real problem is not something you think could happen... ie: "he was fine with me, but could be a problem with someone else". Please save me the drama.)
    *  you fail to report a problem with a P411 member to staff immediately. (and making a report on a client, only AFTER he has posted a negative review of the session, makes you seem petty and vindictive. It also takes away from legitimate issues that need to be dealt with, and makes me very angry.)
*  you make a false or exaggerated report on any client. (I'm serious about this one too, please seriously consider the repercussions of making a false report on a P411 client, I don't play games in this department)
As a Preferred411 provider, you are encouraged to do as much additional screening as is necessary to keep yourself safe.  While P411 is an important tool to use in your screening process, we cannot make any guarantee on any of our members, be they client or provider.  We are diligent, however, in screening all applicants thoroughly and do not want any problem clients or providers in our network.
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Now, like I said, these are just the rules... I can't speak for the enforcement side of it.  Also, regarding the "intent" of P411 OKs and the need for further screening (as in contacting the person who gave the OK to get more details about a gent, or asking a gent for more info about himself).... that issue is addressed above as well.  The owner of the site never intended for it to be the penultimate screening tool whereby no other info (save the gent's ID) would be required.

As to whether OKs or Whitelists are more valuable - that would depend on the lady you asked!  Speaking for myself, they are equally valuable... in that their only value is that I now have a starting place (accurate provider contact info) to ask questions regarding the gent.  While OKs are near compulsory and therefore not a good indication of a gent's finer points, WL are so random and have no standard as to when/why someone gets them that they are also useless in and of themselves.  But please understand, other ladies may have a different outlook on both and therefore may value one over the other, or value it's existence alone as sufficient for her screening needs.