So I tineye her pics. No matches.
Ask if she has a website. I don't think she does.
Google name/ number. Nothing.
The only red flag I saw. In the ad she says she is Florida based.
But the number is a California number. (Not even sure that is a red flag)
Anyway. Is there anything else I can do?
Or, if I meet her just keep my fingers crossed?
I notice many of these ads have a phone # to call.
I'm not calling someone I can't verify.
So I emailed. Waiting for a response.

Is it... No website, no rates, no date?
I have met girls this way before I knew about TER.
Only two, but both were legit.
One had a website, one did not.
Neither quoted rates until I made contact.
I realize I took a risk both times.

The advice to newbies is always see well reviewed ladies!
You are not a total newbie, but it is up to you if you want to TOFTT. If nobody TOFTT then ladies would never get their first reviews. Some guys find the diamonds in the rough this way. Other guys (even seasoned hobbyists with years of reviews) will never see unreviewed ladies.

If you are willing to take some risk, then go ahead, but it's not something we can decide for you. You did check for red flags but having no red flags does not necessarily mean everything is good. By the way, you should recheck the pictures using google image search. Google finds things tineye misses all the time.

If you proceed, think with the big head, and trust your "spidey sense." Be ready to back out at any point something doesn't seem right.

As for the phone number and website, those are not redflags in themselves. Many people have phones with out of state area codes. Especially if they are using google voice or something.  And many ladies (especially new ones starting out) don't have websites.


-- Modified on 1/16/2013 9:27:08 AM

While any one of the issues he states may not be a red flag by themselves, taken as a group though, its troubling:

1) No TER reviews or board prescence
2) no reviews elsewhere
3) no website
4) no DateCheck certification
5) he posted this on the newbie board so therefore he considers himself new
6) she wont even llist her rates????
7) how does he know this "ad" isnt LE?

Not against TOFTT but I would need more info than the OP has to suggest it to him, especially being a newbie himself. Just my 2 cents.

I'm not that new. I just thought this is where I would get the best answer.
My first review didn't have her rates listed, so what?
She made it perfectly clear what her rates were.
I'm not going to start cold calling random #'s I find out there. So don't worry.
Thats why I emailed her. To get some of that cleared up.
If she is legit. She has to have something right?
Some type of verification site. (I asked)
Maybe a different review board? (I asked)
Shit! A fucking U Tube video of her dancing in a bra and panties.
Believe me. I am looking/ asking.
I really was asking what else I can check on my own.
Google image is more the type of answer I was looking for. If I can figure out how to use it.
Seems to hate the mac browser. Safari.
Its becoming a moot point anyhow.
If I don't get a response by tomorrow around lunchtime. I'll move on assuming it was a fake ad, and I asked too many of the right questions. .



-- Modified on 1/16/2013 5:16:49 PM

Since apple and Google are always fighting, and I don't know much about safari (other than using it on my iphone). I do know google images is easy to use and works great on IE. I believe tineye was the first internet image searcher and was a great resource when it came out, but google seems much better now. Many times I have had zero results on tineye and pages of results on google, so it is definitely the superior program. I still use tineye occasionally. If I get no results on google, then I check tineye just in case it picks up something google missed, but I don't think it's ever happened yet that T picked up a missed G search.

First of all because I "know" hound (from the boards) and while he may not be a seasoned hobbyist, this also is not his first date. He seems smart enough to make his own choice and already did some of the research. He was just asking for what else to check. He searched the pics (although I would use google rather than--or in addition to-- tineye). He searched the phone number. He decided to use email rather than phone to contact her. If I felt he was true newbie I would have said run away! But I think hound can make that choice on his own.

Secondly I disagree with your classification of red flags. Those items are certainly not green flags, but in my opinion they are not red flags either. Perhaps there should be a "yellow flag" (caution) classification.

A few examples in my opinion:
Image search: If you get returns where the pixs are obviously stolen from another site (model, porn star, other escorts) = obvious red flag. If you get returns taking you to an escort website and ads and good reviews, saying the pics are accurate = green flag. If you get zero returns, then it is neither red nor green, so yellow flag.

Phone number: If you search the phone number and it pops up in ads all over the country on the same day, or ties to bad reviews, or scam sites = red flag. If you get returns only to the lady in question and to good reviews = green flag.
Zero returns = yellow flag.

As to some of your other "red flags," a lot of ladies don't have websites, especially new ones (but even some TER top 100s).
A lot of ladies don't list rates, and a brand new lady can't even get on date-check or other verification sites without a reference. So I don't necessarily see those items as red flags. (Again, they are certainly not green flags either.)

I would never recommend a newbie TOFTT, and in this case I never told hound to "go for it," but I am also not saying to run away. More like, "Do more research and proceed with caution."

It never sounded like he was ready to take the plunge. He initiated contact and is waiting for a response. What if she comes back with a link to reviews? (or a website or a p411 profile?)


-- Modified on 1/16/2013 4:15:29 PM

If so, read my reviews. MANY of them are BP girls with little or no "verification" beyond a couple of ads. You'll note that I've only had one really bad experience in my career, a couple of mediocre ones, and the majority good to great.

Now, my excuse is that I've always lived in a very small market area where high;y reviewed, quality providers are few and far between. I decided a long time ago that I was going to take some risks, and it has largely paid off for me. In fact, in all honesty, when I DO see a "top notch, well reviewed" provider, I'm often disappointed because they are not THAT much better than the BP girls I see.

If you are in or near NYC, it's a different story. You have to figure that If a girl is advertising and has no website, no reviews, and no other "references", then she is PROBABLY 1) a scam, 2) a trap, 3) a low quality, rank amateur, or 4) a total newbie. Everybody had fantasies of finding that newbie "diamond in the rough", but the odds are against it.

My personal advice? Stop looking for "verification" that doesn't exist, and decide to see her ONLY if you are willing to TOTALLY TOFTT.

I was saying, or trying to say, that it was the group of them together that concerned me. Not any single "flag." With the facts as he knew them at the time, I would advise he not go see her, but when you added the possibility of reviews or her being verified by a service, sure, my opinion could change and you both point out he is less of a newbie than I originally thought too, so that has me re-thinking it as well. Again, good points.

I wasn't referring to Backpage either. This is eros.
I read your reviews, or some of them. They don't really reflect top notch provider to me.
I am not knocking you, but are styles seem different.
I know what it is. I recently saw a newer, younger provider. Even though she was probably the hottest girl I have ever been with, and the date went fine. The date was by far not the best.
It really wasn't anyones fault per say. We are both just new.
And neither of us had the grasp on taking the lead.
With that being said. I can't see myself in many of the situations you wrote.


Anyway. It is a moot point because she did not respond to me.
I'll bet any money that if I had written some stupid email like.
"Want some dick?" I would have gotten a response from a fake.

There are a few girls I have seen in the past like this, but it's very hit or miss.

I don't have a formula for due diligence, but all of things aren't necessarily dealbreakers.  However, they do indicate to me that she should trade at a discount, so she can't be expecting to get normal market rates if she is unverifiable and I have to take a chance.  I need to get a discount for taking the risk.

Also, if I verify that she is who she is and I write a review...well, that's value that she should realize is not free, either.

It works all ways in the free market.