Who on your first call to her tells you that it is $$ for a bj, $$ for bbj and $$$ for full service which includes daty, positions etc.

Point to note is that she has been reviewed previously.

Usually nothing but the donation and time would be discussed, this is new to me, is this a trap or is she just plain stupid or would you say a newbie mistake?

Just curious as to what fellow hobbyist think.....

well, I guess what I am trying to figure out is if she is LE or a genuine girl who just doesnt know the rules of the game yet? Like I said she has some really good reviews, but its just the way she presented the menu, made me skeptic.......

You do realize MANY girls offer both massage and gfe at two different rates right? Does not make one low end to do so. They are catering to two different areas of the market. I have a ton of friends who offer say FBSM with a bj for 200, and gfe for 400. It gives guys the "option" to choose, which is a GOOD thing. It is only an "upsell" if she says you get one thing for x rate, and then tries to charge you more after you arrive. Damn right sex is going to cost more than just a blowjob...wtf, the mouth can go all damn day. Some women charge a flat rate regardless of what you want, and others give you options. Not every guy wants a two pop gfe in an hour alll the time..he may like just a bj once in a while, and that is why many providers have that option.

As for the OP, I don't think discussing rates and services is a good idea, so were the rates NOT posted? Was this a BP ad or something? I can understand the confusion if there are no rates posted and the red flags, but some girls don't have a website to list rates on I guess. She was just being honest with you about what you will get for what, which I don't think is all bad. How else would you know what to pay and what you will get if the reviews don't touch on that?

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Initially, my experience with most providers is that they rarely discuss finances preliminary to performing services. Although most never even ask for a donation in advance, when they do, it should be simply requesting an envelope without uttering a word of price or service. Otherwise, you might be part of a LE sting and I would rather walk out than risk that anxiety. While what London Rayne says makes sense, those multi priced providers turn me off. YMMV.

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Upselling is close to a bait and switch.  It's when you are there under the impression that something is included and only then do you find out that it's extra.

As long as she's upfront before hand (as she was in the example, telling him on the first call) then it's not an upsale.

This is no different that a girl who offers on her site different sessions.  A certain amount for massage only.  A certain amount for GFE.  And additional fee for greek.

That said, I also prefer to see girls who have 1 all inclusive price.  I feel, if a girl charges extra for an activity, then it's probably not her favorite activity to do.  This is not always correct.  Some girls love greek, for example, but charge extra for it simply because they can.  I have no problem with that.  I think they should make the most that they can.  But generally (not always) I don't participate in extra cost items.  

However, I think that it's way off base to say that simply because a girl offers different kinds of sessions for different prices that she hates her job and should be avoided.

You're not going to win any popularity contest from the women or men either.

The way she went about it is wrong, BUT the fact that she offers both fbsm and gfe is nothing new. You have a right to be cautious. Usually providers doing this have a site or at the very least a profile somewhere, that says Massage-200, L2-250, GFE-300. In her case, she has none of that I am guessing, so she spelled it out so as not to lead you on. If you only showed up with half of what she charges, that would not go well either. I would stick to providers who list their rates flat out, and have solid reviews that also explain what they offer and for how much.

Yes, she could be setting you up OR simply making sure you know what you get for what. I can't really say 100 percent either way. Just trying to give you some idea of why "some" providers do what they do. I can see why you were a bit put off being this was on the phone though. There are more subtle ways to say what you do without saying it.



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Had she told him it was 200 for the whole deal, then said everything was extra once he arrived, that would be an upsell.

I charge more for greek because it involves the MOST prep time,and work to deliver it. I don't eat for 12 solid hours before a greek date, and I won't get into the other "details" we have to consider. Same reason I would charge more for sex if I had two rates...bjs I can do all damn day, but my kitty cannot go past 2 and barely that. The more "work" and prep time an act takes, the more money it is worth to us. You think I would charge more for a bbbj than a cbj? Just the opposite lol.

Go look at some women who have a worn out ass from too much greek for years, and you will appreciate why some don't give it away lol. Diapers are not really my things. If that was an all inclusive rate, many of us would be in the ER, because every guy would bash us for "not giving them that service." Has nothing to do with not liking something. Most women who don't do greek here, sure as hell LOVE doing it with their BF/Husband, so there ya go.

I think some might change their all inclusive tune if that rate was on the ups of 800 lol. Why should a guy that does NOT want greek have to pay the same high rate as one who does...that is the reasoning I factor in. Many of us would lose our gfe client base at the rate they pay if we were to up it and make it all inclusive. Massage girls make good money without having to fk, so I can't hate on em lol.

I made that clear in my post.  I don't see providers with 8 price structures and a Chinese ala carte menu.  Girls that have these price structures are much more concerned with their pocket books than my happiness and good time.  I  also don't see massage girls.   Give me a full hour multi pop session  with no holds barred at one price.

A levels has some extra preparation required (unless you are happy with a nasty misshap back there) + if A levels is free then you also get newbies who want to 'have a try'.  If a guy is into A he will happily pay extra, will know what he is doing & not potentially put the girl in pain or hospital (that happened to one of my girls with another agency she worked with where it was all inclusive)

Couples have 2 people so girls should charge extra to meet with couples.  Much harder physically and mentally too than a normal 1 on 1

I never list a girl as offering A levels or couples unless she is into it.  When I discuss services with a girl I always make sure she is never doing anything that she doesn't want to to.  If I think she is trying to 'sell' something then I will ask a regular to help me find out if it's a sale or a turn on.  So far I have been pretty lucky with girls telling me honestly what they are happy with

Lisa x

I can only imagine the level of service that this lady would provide. I'm sure that everything will be timed. It is also a very unsafe way to conduct business. If LE decided to place an ad I would imagine that this would be an ideal way to trap you. The same applies to the lady. If a lady is willing to speak like this it is indicative of her lack of care in avoiding Johnny Law. Those who don't care about Johnny Law probably have nothing to lose, and do you really want to see a lady who has nothing to lose?

Suggesting that hookers in any form are beneath another is naive and a bit off.  We are all here spreading our legs or lips for money, regardless of the tag or services we offer. There is no right or wrong here, but many guys don't want to fk a hooker at all. They want a bj, and that's it. It grosses them out to kiss, daty, or even do cfs with one, and that too is their right to feel as they do.

You would not know it, but many gfe providers also have a  different persona for their fbsm services, just to avoid attitudes such as this...yep! They don't want their high end image tarnished, so they create a new name, website, etc. and travel to another state to make bank on FBSM, then charge those willing to pay it, over a grand for gfe!  I have ran agencies for a long time, so I know how easy it is ha ha. It's not bait and switch or upsell either, because both markets are getting exactly what is advertised.

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ala carte menu or not, I am going to "chicken out", so to speak, based on just what chloevalmont and sexegenarian said, if there had to be a perfect scenario for a LE sting......this would be it, I will cut my losses now, thank you all for the words of wisdom, on and off topic

If she said she would do X and then in session upsold me, no.

Big difference.