I would love for all posts to get proper exposure, not getting bumped off after a few hours or a day from the front page.

However, until the post limit per page changes (25 is the current max), or if people start posting less (this means everyone, including providers and their weekly ads), this will be a bigger problem that is not relevant to one type of post or poster.  If 25 people decide to post something everyday, there will be new content everyday.  Each thread can be as long as they want, but shifts in content will happen.  If we get an exorbitant amount of new posts, who is going to receive the blame?  PCannot be fixed without stepping on some toes.

-poet

My only problem is that you and FakeFinder agreed that she would only post 3 times a week and not on weekends. She also stated that she would post once a day, and if she had anything to add could post it under the same thread for that day.

She has posted-
2/18 Friday
2/21 Monday
2/22 Tuesday
2/23 Wednesday
2/23 Wednesday
2/24 Thursday
2/24 Thursday
2/28 Monday
3/1 Tuesday

The 18th - 24th is one week. She posted 7 times. I think she should keep to the 3 days a week, on the same days, and not post on weekends.

To all,

I am sure you've heard about the drama brewing, about the controversial posts made by FakeFinder and her contributors.  There is bad blood between her and some people.  I want to make sure we are all on the same page, that you understand the situation as I do.  I see it plainly, since I am a simple man.  Fake pictures are being used on popular escort malls.  FF and other contributors are exposing them for what it is.  Sometimes mistakes can happen, but for the majority, we can take it at face value that the ads with stock photos are being removed.  It's a costly loss for the enterprising advertisers, albeit agencies, indies, etc.

Exposure of an alias' identity is also brought into the limelight, possibly at the risk of certain people's well-being.  FakeFinder and other aliases' identities are not of my concern, nor should it be of yours.  However, I value each and every person's identity and privacy, which has taken a backseat in some correspondences and postings.  When privacy is being invaded, we cannot just sit idly by.  There will be no atonement for the bad things being done.  As the saying goes "You've made your bed, so sleep in it."

I want this problem settled.  I want to move on, since I consider this to be a petty problem between two people.  If need be, have at it on this thread.  At this point in time, there are no winners in this argument.  It will be up everyone to discuss the notion of alias and privacy, since it's falling on deaf ears.  I think everyone can benefit from an open discussion.  I do expect the two main people involved to stay anonymous, but that is up to them on the use of aliases or not.  I am drawing the line in the sand.

So where does this leave me and you, my fellow NY board members?  It's up to you.  Speak up for your thoughts on identity and privacy.  Some of you are screaming to speak your mind.  Do so here, but act with civility and respect.  What you discuss here will be a testament to the future.

I am allowing this thread so we all can contribute to the open and unadulterated dialogue.  Use of aliases are allowed, but use them accordingly and respectfully.

-poet

If someone wants to spend their time and resources to do what guys are supposed to do on their own ... let them.

But 10 threads a day are annoying to say the least.

As for risks, we are all adults here and should be able to measure extent of risks we are willing to take.

did this fake finder person zero in one one girl? From what I have been reading she or he seemed to have outted people only that were using fake photos and there seemed to have been many.
This whole thing is very confusing

and basically FF is choosing profiles that have less then 8 photos (which is silly because many providers who are well known have one or two) and then running them through tin eye.
Tin eye works so if someone has false photos they will come up. While I do not agree with the choosing of such photos I DO agree that if they are stolen the escort should be outted. Then again some escorts do choose stock photos as representations rather then literals. They want privacy or perhaps can't afford a photo shoot at that time. You can book time with someone only to arrive and its not the right person but the person who answers is hot anyway.
Its a fine line here.

Thank you for the offer though
It would seem FF has managed to anger some people . If the pics they are using are fake then idk what their issue is really ..They knew there was a possibility when they chose to use them that someone may figure it out and call them out on it.If the girl is as hot as the girl in the pic then why not just sit down and do a photoshoot? IDk .that's what I do that's what other do , isn't it? If you aren't as hot as you would like to be?Get that way. i did that too.GO to the gym eat soy ,get a trainer do what you have to do to pull your ass together and for christ sakes don't blame someone else for your icecream eating ass ...Or stop with the whinning .you earn it ....Just like the money ladies.

On the topic of outing , which i actually DO have experience with .The outing of any person is truly something that not only affects that person but also their family and friends etc.Being outed now 4 times myself i speak from experience .What that experience has brought me ... believe it or not? Peace of mind.Thank you to my outers and you know who you are.I no longer hide ...Anything   . Have a nice day .Lianna

PS that one post sort of sounded threatening although I am sure she did not intend it to be or did she? ..It came off thar way imho.It did not sound like someone watching out but what do I know i am just a ....Girl.

Enough is enough!  I consider your message a direct and open threat and I now have no other choice but to report your message (as well as the emails I have received) to the authorities. If something happens to me, they will know where to look. I will not be intimidated or threatened for telling the truth.  I will leave it up to the authorities to take care of you and other people who feel they can openly and privately threaten my safety in the hope of shutting me up.


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"Are these same men going to seek these people out and serve equal justice?"

No I do not believe they will do anything to help her in the end if something or someone threatened her really.. No ,I have to agree with you there for sure . Will they risk themselves for her ,No.... all the best ,Lianna

Go ahead and see your business drop.

Been using real pics from day one and updating them 3-5 times a year.

But it is annoying to have your ad pushed to page 3 within a day by all FF posts.  Imagine that instead of adding their pic to weekly photo thread each provider would start a new one with their photos.

Or if each agency will start announcing availability of their individual employees in different threads

NYC board has long standing tradition of having weekly threads (bakery threads come to mind).

People love them and come back for updates ... but at the same time it keeps the board from being flooded and allows ladies to effectively advertise in addition to actual discussion taking place.

Topic of FF's posts is the same - FAKE FOTOS.

Just because each thread addresses fake fotos of different scam artists, it does not mean there should be different thread for each one of them.

So FF can have one thread a week and keep on adding new finds to it .. everyone is happy, noone is annoyed. except for fakes of course.

But as I said, their annoyance is  not my issue.

FF is providing good info to this board voluntarily at her own personal risk. If "some people" are actively supporting the false advertisements in question and threatening FF you, meaning TER, should do the right thing and ban the provider(s) in question. This is far worse than just fake reviews.

I don't see what there is to debate. You have someone exposing others who are blatantly breaking the rules with the intent to deceive and yet you sit idly by and want to have a kumbaya discussion?

With all do respect grow a pair and protect the supposed quality this site is known for.

Perhaps all the ladies who post ads on EROS (agencies as well as indies) should not use fake pictures

If I go out to dinner and order a steak and they bring me chicken, of course I'll be pissed.   And last time I checked steaks don't run $400 - $500

We need MORE people like FF out there uncovering fakes...

in the review section, the author has an opportunity to declare whether the photos are fake and or recent...why is that any different than exposing fraud on the discussion boards???

isn't that a bit of nit picking????

this board is for open discussion...fight the fascist rantings of the bullies any way you can

Maybe there should be a regional board for only providers to post ads?
I understand the issue that long threads pose.  But I also understand that this is a discussion board.
My two cents.  Eh, no one cares what I think.

if you have an issue with privacy block your face, but using photos that aren't even you is lying. Yes, you, the person who would have a seizure and post all over the provider board if someone DARED lie to you about their identity in screening.

Do you ever see me advertising for myself?  Absolutely not.

And you must not know what the definition of "threat" is (i.e. "a warning that something unpleasant is imminent".  Are you now going to argue with the dictionary?  

Your words: "Many people know who you are. You think theu exposed don't know either? Ha. This is NYC baby and people are crazy! Make sure you screen every single person that contacts you because if you don't, and it winds up being an agency owner with some crazy wild connections or a pimp that doesn't care, honey NONE of these guys you are looking out for are BUILT to deal with that type of drama nor would they want to get involved! So tread carefully!!!"

After receiving direct physical threats to my email address (which revolve around the same words you have just used above and telling me that I might end up in the Brooklyn river because of the connections agencies or independents I expose have, I am sorry but I AM considering your message as an indirect threat as well.  Seems like I am not the only one who doesn't "know how to read" (according to you) because Lianna felt the same way when she read your message (see her message below mentioning how she found your message threatening as well)  Perhaps you should change your tone when writing messages.

In any event, these messages you have written here (and emails I have received) have already been reported to the authorities.  And this is not a threat - it is a reality.  

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to find out who is real and who is not?

Is this board designed for jokes and donuts? or shill ads? i'm here 10 years and this is the first time someone (FF) is really doing me good    and why are we removing her?

btw i don't care how many times she outs fake ads....thats why i come here.

sorry to say there is more BS than real on this board.

how fair is this to all the ladies that use real photos and lose biz to fake ones?

Now let's move on.....

You clearly are talking to/about the wrong person, FYI

As others have said, there are lots of ways to disguise your real pix to preserve your identity.  There is no, repeat no, valid reason to post fake pix.  I don't care if they are "a facsimile" or you or if you say you actually look better.  Like many, I'm a very visual creature.  I want to be with someone who pushes those visual buttons for me.  The very first thing I do when considering whether to see someone is look at their pix.  Only if I like what I see will I even check on rates or read a review.  To me, fake pix of any kind are the most fundamental fraud you can perpetrate on me.  So I value anyone who polices this area of the business.  IMHO anyone harrassing FF should be rode out of town on a rail.

FF is providing a service that cannot be beat (OK, I know it should be beaten!). If posting once or twice or more each day is annoying, what would these "protesters" think if they arrived at their "date" and found a FAKE FUCKER standing at the door?
Don't let's all be stupid! FF is doing what many of us can't do ourselves.
She should be wined and dined, not whined and denied.
And so say all of us....!

Let me start by stating that I don't really care about this.  I don't usually read the posts, but they don't bother me either.   That said, I have 2 ideas that might help alleviate the tension regarding this issue.

1.  It might be more appropriate to only comment on ads posted on this site with fake pics.  After all, there are tons of fake pics on all the ad sites.  If you started outing all of them then this board would be hard to read for other information.  It would be full of nothing but your outings.   And for people who don't use those sites, it would all be useless information.  So, by limiting it to commenting on ads here you would keep it relevant to the readers here.  That was what I did when a certain massage girl kept posting ads with GFE in the text, though she was massage only.  I didn't mention it here when she posted on other sites, but every time she posted an ad here, I commented that she didn't really offer GFE.

2. Perhaps this isn't the place?  Because you are posting often and it's information that some people don't care to see feed, maybe TER would consider a separate board under the General category for such outings.  After all, they have separate boards for Politics and Sports to keep those controversial topics from filling the local boards.  That would give you a place to post your messages, and people interested in such could go see the messages without it interfering with the general topics and ads.

Privacy uber alles ! Everyone on here has the right to use a "handle" , "alias" , "nom de hobby" etc.
Anyone "busting" someone else's real identity ought to be tossed off here forthwith. No ands , ifs or buts.

Report to the authorities ? Wtf is wrong with you ? That is both dangerous and NOT necessary. Who is threatening you ? Do they know where you live ? What you look like ? Then relax.
They don't like your exposing use of fake photos ? Good. Keep it up.

I've always dealt with fake photos by just turning around and walking away. And then filing an immediate report here and on other boards ASAP.

for that kind of information.....just skip through it if you're not interested....like everyone else does with info they don't care for.

realize there are people using this board who are doing that with our "discussion" as we speak

It is unfortunate but I now fear for my safety since I have received a few threatening messages telling me that I will end up "in the Brooklyn River" and that I should be careful next time I go on a call, even if I verify it thoroughly.  This type of behavior is totally unacceptable.  I felt I had no other choice but to file a report.  I refuse to sit back and be threatened easily or have my security/safety at risk - I am sure anyone would do the same if they received death threats.

Moreover, Vadhaman is right: "everyone on here has the right to use a "handle/alias/nom de hobby" and anyone busting someone else's real identity ought to be tossed off here forthwith."  






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those are great ideas... definitely to be considered

Things sometimes ( just saying) then F.F. I think we would ALL appreciate you keeping your 'outings' to ADPOSTS that are actually on TER!

Out there that are fraudulent in various ways on THIS bored. The reply was "the ladies allready have places to do that"
So, yes, let's get F.F. A new home or keep it relevant to TER. At the very least.

I couldn't care less if FF posts 1 or 100 times a week, and I am one of the girls who advertises here in this board, the moderator can confirm that.  There is no reason to worry about such a small thing. It's not hurting my business  and I am sure the only business hurting is the ones who put the fakes up on Eros.

FF is in a dangerous position and is being threatened now, that's sad. I feel sorry for her but she should have protected herself and her identity from the beginning, now it's too little too late as you do not have to be a detective to find out who is behind an alias and it's impossible to control the gossip and back channeling.

IF other users are outing FF alias VIA TER, even if it's small hints, that's not only disrespectful but it's against the rules, the matter should be brought to Admin by FF if she thinks there is a need to do so, and then TER Admin can do whatever they decide it's fair.

IF FF problem is with another member, please take your drama elsewhere. Even tho many ppl in this board would LOVE to know what provider/client X or Y said or done to FF for pure amusement, you will gain nothing with that, much to the contrary.

As for FF posts being helpful, personally I think if you have time to follow FF posts you have the time to look for the info yourself, after all you are already logged in here and can search the reviews with the same amount of clicks you take to read her helpful posts. But if she wants to post, the mod has established an amount of posts she can make per week, let her post, what's the matter? Similar posts made by aliases are always up in other regional boards.

Let's all mind our own business, stay safe and have fun!

The people threatening you are so dumb they think there's something called "the Brooklyn River," which means they probably can't find you, either.  Keep up the good work.

Right now, I am entertaining other recommendations to how we all can move forward.  I appreciate your comment and attentiveness.  The board is more progressive than I thought.

I don't disagree that such information is what the site is for.  I just question if this forum is the best place for it.

The kind that get blacklisted for ripping off the girls.  That sort of thing.

It's amazing the shit people will say online with the anonymity that the Internet affords them.  I've actually seen people playing online poker say shit like "I hope your mother gets gang raped" because I won a hand of poker (having not said a single word to them).  And I have seen worse.  

And I have also seen stuff pretty bad on this site as well.  

Be safe but know that the online bullies are real life cowards and I am sure you have nothing to worry about.

Clone's suggestions are sound, but this leads me to consider jurisdictional rights on posting content.  I have set the groundworks for posting fakes on the board, as well as a weekly picture theme.  Moving fake threads to a dedicated forum should also prompt a movement of other posts elsewhere.  This is not an "I was here first, so put your posts elsewhere" argument.  TER tried to implement a new way to identify ads with icons (fail), then reverted back to the old system.

Now, this is about finding a common ground to coexisting peacefully.  I get a feeling that life on the board is possible with all manner of posts.  Members can decide on what they want, but not forcing an exodus so certain types should be exuded from a region-specific discussion board. Why should ads and ISO posts stay?  How are these relevant to your region?  They are very relevant, so that's why they populate the boards.  Some have argued that ads are flooding the boards, destroying the individuality of member contributions.  We can go back and forth all day with this, but isn't productive when we start limiting the value of a board.  FF and her fellow contributors were asked to consolidate findings on 3 days per week.  There were logistical problems, which have been fixed now.

So, should FF continue her work or have her stop this because this isn't beneficial?  If she continues, how should she proceed?  Once a week? Daily?  Limit it to just ladies posting on our boards?  I think, by now, there will be a drastic reduction on fake pics used on weekly ads on our boards.  Regular ladies do not use fakes, so I consider this recommendate moot.

Any other thoughts on working and helping one another?

-poet

When this involves hearsay, nothing can be mobilized without concrete proof.  I respect the letter of the law, especially when it pertains to identity and privacy.  Unless there is proof that this is happening through our system, I can only hold discussions and see if a viable solution can come to fruition.

I can make recommendations to have people removed, but it is my word against the accused.  I want to ensure each person is given the opportunity to talk.  If proof does or does not exist, it will come into focus soon enough.  I've seen many people get wronged, some on purpose, others by accident or misfortune.

-poet

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Ter is strict with the 7 day ad rule, yet our ads are only on the 1st page for exactly one day (if we are lucky). Same exact thing happened to my ad last week too.
You are all so obsessed about finding fakes, and yet so many of us REAL GENUINE ladies are barely noticed anymore.

Sorry Beat, From your reviews it's readily apparent you have nuts.

My comments is TER directed. Not you personally.

Need more coffee.....

perhaps the reason of your deep rooted anger towards me is the fact that I may have exposed you recently?  why else would you have such deep rooted anger towards me?  You clearly are the only female on this thread to speak directly to me with such animosity.  Moreover, when you tell someone "I know who you are, they all know who you are", this in itself suggests a threat.  ESPECIALLY in a world where everyone is trying to remain somewhat anonymous.  But, then again, you seem too D**B to even notice the subtleties ...

we should all get together for a "free for all" to relieve tensions

Are You also gpping to tell teh Authorites what you do for a living fake Finder ?? be Real you started this Drama with your Bored Self now Handle It girl take it for what you started. You cant go slap someone and expect them to sit back

she gets her fakes up and those that want to see her posts can go to that thread each week. Each time she gets a new fake she simply adds it ti the existing thread. Those that are eager to know will certainly go look for it...and it will remain fresh each week. It would be easier for people to find in a search too with one solid thread.
This way the pages don't get  littered with it all and she still gets her fakes up. Everyone wins...whats the problem?
In fact, make monday fake day. She starts a thread each monday and adds to it from there until sunday. Then the next monday she starts a new one.
Its very simple.
Look at my burger threads. They get a lot of back an forth but they are contained. What if I started posting a new thread each day or several times a day  about the same thing? Would that not get old? Would people not get pissed off? Yes we all love burgers but jeeeze it has its place...just like FF has hers.
A little respect both ways is pretty nice, and it solves most of this very well.
The beauty of the NYC regional is that it encompasses chatter, ads, and things like FF. But in ordr to be fair there must be places for these things. One thing cannot dominate the other. ...which is why they have a 7 day rule with ads. They don't want to turn this into a total ad board.
If something is dominationing a board...give it its place, thats all.
Another option is giving her her own section entirely.
A middle of the road switzerland decision is to have weekly threads.


Now back to punting and hunting


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Line.
Why would I want to 'out' clients???? That's ridiculous.

someone give this man a cigar.

The place may look different, but the drama remains the same.

L2K

...allows a lady to post a FREE ad 1/week, you can also read your reviews for FREE as well.

Providers have many many other venues to market & advertise, some free, some w/costs.

It's amazing the self centered ingrates here.
Get over yourselves.

Thank you for all your input FF, & be safe young lady.

...funny you took this directly to you even under an alias.

Ladies have FREE VIP on TER to have access to read their reviews, white list & PM, & post a FREE ad 1/week & oh, to post on theme day threads as well or ISO's....which are an  ad basically, FREE marketing....which is cool.

Now, if they want to pay full membership to access all reviews as part of their screening process, do searches, more power to them....but it gives you no more rights other than that.

As I stated before, this ain't no ad board BITCH!

I think myself and other ladies came up with Weekly Thread idea.

To me it sounds like great compromise.

As far as I am concerned, you can expose every fake out there - it actually gets me more business, since guys are not spending their money on B&S.

But it would be nice to find place for everyone on this board.

Their arguments are just very weak.

After thinking about this overnight (rather than just shooting from the hip), my reco would be to make some major changes to the way the discussion groups are organized. I would keep the regional structure, but within each region (I'm calling "New York" a region here), I would split the discussion into three separate areas: 1. Ads, 2. Discussion 3. Rip Off/Shill/Fake Alerts. Other PMBs do this to great effect. Plus, it seems as if it would solve several issues: ads wouldn't get buried within the discussion; the discussion board, being discussion-only, might attract more participation; and the rip off discussions and rants could be isolated in a place where users could find them if they wanted to, and ignore them if they so choose. You might find that the ad section would get less traffic, in the long run, since the discussion forum would most likely attract the most traffic. But that's not necessarily a bad thing. Providers might realize that participating constructively in the discussions generates as much (if not more) traffic than posting an ad, for example.

And if you still can't see the threatening tone of your message, then you really have issues.  I know exactly who you are, even if you are hiding behind your handle, and I really don't need you to "worry about me".  You made it perfectly clear that you think I am useless and idiotic so why pretend that you even care about my "well being".  At least try to be CONSISTENT with yourself.

Now, please go and GET LOST.

You asked .

Ads for hunting and providing, Discussion for diversion, and Alerts for consumer protection.

It sounds like it will match needs with information and add value to TER's members.

I cant see how anyone would be unhappy with this arrangement.  Good idea CaraSaintJames

maybe too simple. Some people just want to argue I guess.

Oh, never mind.  Some people don't know how to hobby, and may never learn.   I am not sure what has transpired via BC, and don't need to know.  All I can say is that I am looking forward to my version of March Madness, will be attending M&G's both here and out of town, and know who to contact and meet with.  Beyond that, I have no comment.