My recommendation to all who frequent houses,agencies, Indies etc who have been in biz for 3 yrs or more stand clear.  As the information coming out of the eastside madam case "If you are in biz for 5 years and have not been shut down and incarcerated then you are paying someone off" Madam Kristen Davis (who did time and knows better than anyone in the biz). "High end or low end" In print and on the news broadcasts.

The shit is going to hit the fan with who was being paid off, money that exchanged for the protection etc and to save their own asses the men in blue uniforms or blue suits are going to squeal. the public servants are all wimps when caught.  This is the Knapp Commission dealing with payoffs and corruption all over again, and with Kelly is charge, he will hit hard and fast.

Then come all the other busts, high end, low end, volume or not, all those who have been paying off for years for protection and NO ONE wants to get caught up in that.  As the attorneys for the eastside madam said, "there is a double standard: why only the madams and the girls, its time the johns did time".  So you know the authorities are going to grab the johns and prosecute - just being in an illegal place gets you hard explaining and publicity.

The estaside madam is sitting to calm and her husband is going about his normal lifes chores to not have a deal already worked out to burn the authorities, who they paid handsomely for years and did not tip her off on a 5 year investigation (payback is a bitch) and the johns too for not stopping the authorities with all their power and money.

If the house or agency you attend has drugs even worse off for you.

All the girls and madam have to say to ease their burdens and dealings is to say that you are a partner in the biz, came to collect money and favors from the girls, deliver drugs that are found on premises and you have a large headache.  Dont think for a second they will not do this. Its all about their freedom or yours!

If you know of these situations where the houses have drugs, by the actions you have witnessed think, with the big head, over-rule the little head.

Stay the hell away from all and remain safe.  Nothing is worse that publicity, jail, loss of job, family, and home for a little pussy that you can find with little effort in any bar or club in NYC if you have game.

"a little pussy that you can find with little effort in any bar or club in NYC if you have game." might be true except the effort is not little and most hobbiers don't have game.

Otherwise, the world's oldest profession would not exist!

Just the truth and nothing but the truth.  Isnt it better that the hobbyists stay protected and use their heads so they can play another day, because without the hobbyist or hobbyists getting busted causes all to run for cover and maybe not return in numbers.

Now what the fuck are we supposed to do?  Retire from hobbying?  You tell me...

Indies are always the safer alternative.
Local ladies, who don't advertise much, are low key, well reviewed.
They don't pay anyone for 'protection' and, if you are a regular client, there is no information floating around.
There is no need to keep information on guys we see often, is all inside our 'memory bank'. We remember each one of our clients because we always see the same people.
But, some of you never learn, always want to get fresh meat and TOFTT. Or patronize shady agencies.
Any new agency/house popping out, you run to sample their stable. Do you know WHO is managing these fly by night places? Nope and you will gladly give all your info to pass their screening. These places keep your shit, they cannot memorize your information, they need to have it somewhere.
If you just have two or three indie ladies and stick to them, you will have nothing to worry about. No need to stop hobbying. Just play in a safer manner!
Just sayin'!

"...most hobbiers don't have game..."

You're probably right.  Naive as it sounds, where might one go to learn 'game'? Website? Seminar? Private lesson?

Jeez dude--- do you have to be doom and gloom?
Really, if you are well off enough to be doing this hobby then surely you are smart enough to understand the basics :
1. Indies only
2. TER reviewed only
3. Cash only
4. Delete texts and emails immediately (and yes that includes emptying the trash too)
5. Resist the temptation of BBFS
6. Pray that the provider doesn't send out a group email to her client list that supposedly was never saved in the first place and forgets to hide the identities of everyone on the list including full names of all (happened to me once about 2 years ago and worst of all it was my absolute AT ATF so I had to be nice about it).
7. Chill out and have a great time!!!!

Really ..... Not too hard

Do YOU know WHO is managing all these independents who popped up in the past 3-4 years?  NOPE.  There are a VERY long list of girls that call themselves "independents" who are managed by former agencies who went UTR.  So even the independents are not always safe.  I could name a VERY long list of independents who advertise on the New York ad board and who are all fake independents who are still managed by former agencies who have disappeared.

I say follow your gut instinct and stick to the ones you trust who have a good reputation, who don't deal drugs or minors.  I also tend to agree with Kristin Davis when she says that if an agency has been around for more than 5 years, they ARE being tipped off by cops. 100%.  There are a few very famous agencies that have been around for more or very close to 5 years. You just have to look at all their reviews to see how long they've been around.

cheers to safe hobbying.  Be smart and do your homework!

-- Modified on 3/11/2012 10:30:10 AM

I was going to schedule some play time while I was in New York for business, Is that a bad idea?

Kate Summers

the cops already made their bust and are happy.  It's great publicity for them and it will bring in some bucks after the IRS takes their cut.  They've also succeeded in scarying other agencies operating in NYC.

It's the NY Post and others in the media that are looking for big headlines and a salacious story.  If they can get the names of high profile guys (remeber the DSK insanity) then that means more newspapers sold, which translates to more ad revenue for them.  The same goes for the TV news stations.  But they typically just mimic what's printed in the newspapers.

John Doe from Paducah doesn't mean jack shit to anybody.

These girls at the bars, clubs, dating sites are not providers and they are looking for relashionships. You would be very shocked on how these girls can act when they find out that you lied to them about being single after sleeping with them. Most dudes on ter have an so and don't want to get tangled up with all kinds of lies and drama. There are websites where you can get nsa fun, but once you meet them, they start talking about a relashionship. It doesn't matter how much game you have bc girls are not into attached guys. TER is awesome bc you can relax and be yourself.

-- Modified on 3/11/2012 4:56:54 PM

I think not

I hope everyone remembers the Knapp Commission and their hearing Targeting police corruption (Serpico).  Its the same instance here, police corruption.  One cop squeals, one ADA talks the entire bubble explodes.  The L:E community face harder and longer time than any madam.

This is not about selling papers or getting media attention.  This is about rooting out the LE turds and then that info will sell the papers/media and allow all NYers to feel safer in any environment.

If anyone has the money even from Kanas to pay 2K for an hr then he is not a nobody, he could be a politico from that area, a key biz figure etc.  Either way it destroys his life.

Just so you know:  texts and e mails are saved in the host servers for 10 yrs so they can be retrieved, no matter how often you delete the info and trash files.
Providers save info digitally now, no longer a black book that can be burned with the trash.
All tel info is caller ID and can also be retrieved at the indie, agency etc.
A lot of new names, ID's on TER with no history of longevity, so do you really know who the person is or provider.  Too many and word is a lot of the new ones are LE posing on both sides besides the standard shills for the agencies, houses.
Sometimes truth is a downer or hurts.  In this case, taking a break is worth the future headaches, As you can see the providers strongly disagree because their livelihoods depend on you attending and seeking their services.
Maybe the providers have the money for attys and social reputation repair, most family men, bizmen dont and a lot more to lose than a person in that profession.

All totally common sense! I regret to add that item 6 happened to me as well! Were we seeing the same awesome provider at that time?

Oh dear! Are both our butts out there to be pinched?!?!?!

I am too curious... Send me a pm . Would love to know if it's the same one

Then again, you have to consider that the OP is known for being provocative, and has caused his share of controversy and trouble on the boards over the years.  

That being said, if you wish to tour NYC, you most likely will not run into trouble if you have your act together.

1) Same here.
2) Same here again.
3) Ditto.
4) Not applicable in my case, though I routinely delete old messages.
5) Irrelevant from the POV of LE safety.
6) Most providers retain information.  So do we.  It's the smart thing to do...
7) Agree with your last point.  If you're worried about LE being around every corner and hiding in every shadow, about to pounce on you, might as well stay home.    

Are you aware that when you go onto Google Blogger for the advt or blog from a house, agency, indie the site has a "site-meter" that tracks who is on and most times has your ISP published for the world and LE to see.

So where is it that the info cannot be saved, back traced to your home, office and/or your actual name.

Live by the thrill of danger and the thought that you are going to get caught to heighten your arousal and actually put al your info out there and do get caught.

xxx LB kisskiss