Just don't do it. Place is creepy as hell. Took one for the team, o.k. ? Save yourself the shoeleather. Everything about this establishment is bizarro to the max. For one, they have zero security. Don't look at drivers license, nothing. Demand the money upfront and run from the room with a hysterical monkey chatter giggle, then tries to hit you up for more. Girl-woman is wired to the eyeballs on something so high she is about to lose it. All the signs say crackhead territory. Do not touch with ten foot pole. No way this can go on for too long.

true,,it's not a great location. but this place is standard fare for most asian escort parlors. but i wouldn't go so far as to say it's a crack haven, though. in the many years i've been going to them, at other locations, i've only SEEN spaced out gals a couple of times. i think you picked the wrong gal.

i understand how you feel, though, if you were expecting a more upscale establishment.  the area is creepy. 44th between 8/9. and as i have stated before, the pics at the site are not true.

A month ago, Geisha moved into Julie's old 44th Street incall apartment.  It's by no means glamorous, but it's perfectly OK.  Had DFK, DATY, CG, mish, one pop, for $$$ with Candy last week, which is steep, as you can get two pops at Julies for $$.  However, seventhson's warnings about this place are completely uncalled for.  It is nothing out of the ordinary as NYC AMPs go.  The one big advantage of Geisha and New World is they offer 24/7 incall -- which you can't get at any American incall establishment I know about.

Are we talking about the same place ?

"It's by no means glamorous, but it's perfectly OK."

That depends on what your standards for "perfectly OK" are.

I've never been to Julie's, but I find it exceedingly hard to believe that Julie's ever operated out of this dreary hole.

Contrasted with other places in the $$ to $$1/2 price range, the ambience of this was the worst I've ever laid eyes on.

I'm supposed to use the bathroom out in the hall, which has no light because the light is burned out, and reeks of stale urine.
They're so wacked that they don't realize that there's no light, then the supposed woman in charge who is so lost in her haze kinda mumbles "oooh yeah, the light burned out". She's obviously as high as a kite.

My er, date is loaded to the gills in the other direction. Her behavior is so out of line that its really frightening. There's a difference between disgusting and scary. This chick was SCARY.

My warnings about this place are accurate and truthful. I stand behind them. Mr.Chowayo may think and say whatever her pleases.
Sometimes we see different faces of the same person, and are deeply shocked to discover that a person is not who we thought he was. Perhaps this is Mr. Chowayo's reaction. His truth is his truth. But it does not change by one iota what I experienced there.

Also, informed observations on the NY incall scene really require a visit to Julies, which is the mother of all incall establishments.

this has never been my experience. you sure caught a bad time.

in particular,,,the bathrooms i have found to be very clean. and i don't think it's a matter of perspective. bathrooms at asian mp's have always been clean. that is just standard fare because many clients have to use them to clean up. smell of urine??? never in my lifetime, and i've been going to asian mp's for 18 years.

the rooms can many times be very makeshift,,,yes. gals squatting around playing cards, eating, loud. altogether a different feel from other types of escort incalls. but nothing as you describe.

who did you see? what'd she look like? i will talk to someone i've been seeing for a long time. and i will be honest because even though i like this place, i will look out for my fellow TER's.

What is the logical relationship between visiting Julie's and this refined temple of gentlemanly pleasure ? Aren't you comparing apples to oranges ? Even if Julie's once did occupy this exquisite premesis, physical possesion of the space and quality control aren't the same thing.

What constitiutes a "realist" ? You and Bertie are authorities on what is real ? Nobody else has logged in enough time to know their way around ?

This is an absurd inference. "If you haven't visited Julie's you aren't informed" That's like saying if you haven't eaten at Peter Luger's you aren't qualified to comment on a steak, even if you've had grilled Kobe at Daniel.

Look, I went to this place, I saw what I saw, the experience was revolting, and all the verbal legerdemain in the world is not going to change that.

well, there's one bathroom outside in the hallway behind a steel wire security door on the stairwell and one inside. The one outside was dark and stunk, the one inside was cleanish but sopping wet from all the water that came out of the shower.

This isn't about bathrooms per se, but the way the whole thing was going, disturbing vibes at every step that had alarm bells going off in my head.

I can't remember the name of the lunatic and I don't have anything against her personally, other than her behavior was weirder and more obviously unhinged than any person I have ever met in this business.

The thing of not giving two hoots about IDs or verifications isn't such a great thing either, 'cause you can have very bad guys drop in without advance notice. Usually people who are that indifferent about their own security create major security problems for all concerned, and betray a general desperation to get cash in their hands quick, all risks be damned.

Which is all neither here nor there. I could give you a detailed account but I think it would be too specific for this forum.

She, the girl I got that afternoon, was obviously high way beyond her capacity on some form of potent stimulant. Her behavior was disturbing and irrational.

When I stepped out into the main room to vociferously complain, the woman in charge gave convincing signs of being comfortably intoxicated on a central nervous system depressant.  

When it comes to the strong powders, there's chippers and there's users. These sure act like users to me.

Could have been a couple of problem kids that happened to overdo it at the wrong time. Could be that they're all in to some degree.

Beware, good sir, with all that crazy karma rolling around and the reckless way they run their little scene, I wouldn't want to get caught up in the middle of something at the wrong time.

Nobody here can say he has had 100% GFE experiences with every provider, every time.  Clearly, you got Geisha on a bad day.  However, I think your denunciations are unfair to Geisha.  You yourself admit that they have a regular bathroom off the kitchen.  Also, please name for me any NY AMP that charges a door fee only, with no tip asked.  In my experience, door fee plus tip is NY AMP standard operating procedure.  Likewise, AMP security checks are relatively unusual.

Check the reviews for Penny and Yoko:

http://theeroticreview.com/reviews/show.asp?id=21733

http://theeroticreview.com/reviews/show.asp?id=22199

For TER members to actually review incall AMP providers is unusual, as there is a lot of turnover.  Geisha is the only NY incall AMP which even takes the time to put the girls on its website.

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the crux of the issue is BEHAVIOR. I have no problem with door fees or tips. I always tip unless the service is wretched. This isn't what motivated me to leave or what motivates me to make these posts. Can you comprehend this important distinction  ?

What disturbed me was BEHAVIOR. When people BEHAVE in ways that suggest their brains aren't working like normal brains there is reason for concern.

You keep trying to reframe this discussion to make it sound like it is about 1. your superior knowledge about how things work, 2. the condition of their bathrooms ( they weren't going to let me use the good one until they could see that the nasty one wasn't usable) or 3. the issue of tips.

The frame of this discussion is none of the above marginal issues. The frame of this discussion is that the provider in question behaved in bizarre and potentially dangerous ways. As I said, I have deliberately felt the not so juicy details out of this as perhaps inappropriate.

Let me encapsulate so you may have a better understanding. Part of the way into the session the provider's state of mind appeared significantly abnormal, and I felt that it was in my best interest to depart without further involvement.

This same provider made strenuous physical efforts to prevent me from leaving the room, including grabbing my shirt and refusing to return it until I persisted and she yielded. She was babbling no,no,no,no,no,no and kept shoving me back on the bed. She fell onto the floor and thrashed around. I had serious concerns that she might be on the threshold of a seizure. Do you think anyone there would have called 911 if she did seize ?

Look, I respect your opinion, but you weren't there and you didn't see. If you'd been through that, I am certain you would understand my position.

I guess what happened to you is the extreme end of YMMV.

Let's do a thought experiment, o.k. ?

Suppose you are in a place of this nature, not specifically Geisha, but more or less the same situation.

You go to the room, there's only the two of you, and assume that she snaps into a full blown psychotic episode or a major (i.e. life threatening) seizure.

Everybody else panics and runs for it. You're the last man standing. You could either throw her on the bed and save your own skin by leaving too, OR you could call e.m.s., prop the doors open and flee and hope noone can recall seeing you, OR you can try and restrain her and prevent her from inflicting a serious head injury upon herself until e.m.s. gets there, at which point you are not an innocent bystander, you sir, are "involved".

What then is the ethical decision ? How would you respond under these circumstances ?

O.K. intrepid explorers, add this kink. Asssume she seizes, you have no idea w.t.f. to do, so you dress as fast as you can and run out front and try to explain. What if they refuse to do anything or believe if they keep her in the room for a while "she'll get over it", when her condition appears to be worsening. You insist they call e.m.s. and they refuse. What is your ethical response ?

i believes we are talking about the same place and last night i did bring it up with the gal i frequent. she used to be part owner, but ceded from the relationship because the other owner was too lax.

first of all, she said you should never have been escorted to the hallway bathroom. NO ONE USES IT. personally, i don't see why either. they could have had you wait for the main toilet if necessary.

second, i know of the girl you're talking about. i think it's "koko". sexy girl. i saw her a few times a couple of years ago, and she was terriffic,,,,really terriffic,,,,a "9". but she dissappeared for a while and came back using drugs. and yes, i've seen her totally wired and emaciated as will happen. scary, as you described. especially since, i've never been witness to that kind of behavior in all my 15 years a mp-going.

as for the owner, she sleeps a lot. and if she is not controlling her girls, then maybe she IS screwed up. i've never seen her that way.

but back to your complaint about the facilities. i sense that you don't do asian fs too often. geisha is standard stuff. i see above that you go to west garden spa. these two places are as opposite as you can get.

the spas are very permanent and "legit", so the places are very nice,clean, and usually have prettier, younger hostesses.

places like geisha are illegit, advertize, and are always being shut down by the police. they usually move 2-4 times a year. there's no point for them to waste time and money in fixing up their place, when they could very well be shut down the next week. these asain fs's were great 10-15 years ago when the police left them alone.

i've seen worse than geisha, and i've seen better.  but anyone used to asian fs would have no problem here.




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actually P,,,i'm a bit wary about the pics at the geisha website and have mentioned as much. i've known this place, or at least the owners and gals it has gone through, for about 7 years now. and there have been very few gals as depicted on their site. and there's definitely no one there now, who are that pretty, unless incall an outcall have different gals to draw from.

so i have a problem with the reviews.

i leave, but i use my cell or the phone booth outside. but i don't think the others would scatter, and if they say she'll be alright, i wash my hands and split. i don't know emergency procedures anyway, so for me to do ANYTHING(other than call 911) would be stupid.

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actually, my recreational interests are widely varied. West Garden is one style of thing, there are many others. I guess that the Geisha experience is what some are looking for. The perfect storm must have hit on my visit. Other visitors may have a good time there, but I don't believe that I would at any point in the future. There are a few middle of the road f/s places that charge the same hourly rate as Geisha, clean dependable safe, good choice of women, some DFK, plenty of DATY,
BBBJ not too often. One even has a full time maid in a maid's uniform who takes pride in keeping her domain spotlessly clean.
So, well, ... as Paul Simon lyricized, "one man's ceiling is another man's floor"... fair enuf.

dude re:other places....email me

This all sounds crazy, glad to see you’re in one piece, and got out of there... Behavior is key, why would you want to spend time with a nut case? Sounds like a day of touchier... Hope that you have a better time with someone else!
Kisses,
Michelle St Clair
(866)Plz-UNow

Oh Bertie, you're 100% correct about the AMPs of 10-15 years ago(though I think that it's actually more like 15-20 yrs).  Those places were great.  There was this place called Spa Oriental in 1987 on West 29th Street.  I get misty thinking about it.  No rush, great ladies, free drink, sauna and f/s all for about $100-$150.  I was in college then and could still afford to be a regular.  In fact I even ended up dating my regular girl for a few months without any $$ after the place closed.

These days, I pretty much do the HJ-only style AMP (a friend of mine calls them "Handjob Huts")and Asian outcall at my apartment for the f/s itch.  The last time I went to an incall AMP was in 1998 or '99.  Very lame in comparison to the f/s AMPs of the late '80's.  But even as lame as the f/s AMP's became, I never saw them as ghetto-style crack houses.

Sadly, these days, it's very hard to find totally reliable and satisfying Asian providers for the long term.  I'm still searching (wish I had the time and $$ to do it every day).  The best that I found recently was a girl named Yuri but she appears to have retired in Oct. '02.  So the search continues.