thought I was making this up, (or had an agenda), there IS a REAL team of muggers going after Indie providers (and now with a gun). As I said before, the guy that calls on the phone is VERY well spoken and sounds lilly white. The guy that shows up is a black thief. This is the 3rd provider that this team has gone after that we know of.  Jenna Lee is just the latest victim. For more details of how this team operates, see my post on the previous page. These Fucks are extremely DANGEROUS! After I warned of these guys, they struck less than 24 hours later!

We already have to worry for years about the notorious Gerald, now this team.  How long will they victimize working girls until they are off the streets?

Remember, that once it gets around that their phone numbers are known, they may well change them.    Thorough screening is an absolute necessity when scumbags like these appear

reports that reminds us of how cruel it is out there!!
BE CAREFUL!!

you were Bi ???   Uncle Ben has a new ATF !

You be "EXTRA" careful Ashley. When are you coming to Florida to visit me and Kim?

That must have been some sticky rice!

Kim and I are both due for another trip to NY. I have been in Florida for alomost a month now. I know I'll be back soon. I was thinking about coming this week with Alisandra.  I have been LAZY! I need a jump start.

WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO DO, CAUSE ATTENTION TO THEMSELVES, THEY ARE NOT STUPID'

NOT THAT I WOULD WANT TO CALL THEIR BLUFF BUT I HAVE A STRONG HUNCH THEY ARE NOT INTO KILLING PEOPLE.

WHY WOULD ANY GIRLS NOT LOOK THROUGH THEIR PEEPHOLES BEFORE OPENING UP THEIR DOORS?




CARRY MACE!

Actually, all of you are very easy to find with the technology available today. If someone is determined to find out about you, there is a wealth of information available. I just sent a whole list of security precautions to a beautiful young woman I'd just seen, to illustrate how vulnerable she really was. Hopefully, she will heed the advice. Unless you paint a totally false personna in every aspect, and then follow strict safety precautions every time, you can become a victim. It's said that reward is proportionate to the risk. Just be careful when it comes to risking your life. A previous poster suggested that the perps would never shoot anyone and to carry mace. Sounds like a surefire way to get dead quick. I will continue to work on safety strategies and then send it to providers. If interested,pm me.

Don't you just love the ones who ask your "real" name the first time you meet them.  I just blankly stare and say, "Why it's Meg of course, do some ladies use fake names?"

I am sure one day you will notice that he PM'S everyone and states that he knows you so well and will turn into a wash woman.
Just make up a fake real name.

not back channelled to a virtual protector. Surely the most useful thing you and others who are 'inside the loop' could do in this instance is help these women through the steps required to report the incident?  

I'm still bemused as to how/why a woman would escort this guy/team up to her room.  I'm sure there are a few hotels in NYC without key security in the lifts, but you have to try really hard to find one.  To the best of my knowledge all the Crowne Plazas, Hiltons and Starwoods   (ie so that includes Doubletree, Five Points, W, Westin and probably a plethora of others) use card keys in the lifts, and of course there are also peepholes and then security latches on the doors. Pre-screening is essential, but a little observation and common sense in the final screening stages would have come in handy.

Another thing that interest me is why the guys need to work in a team.  Why doesn't the 'black guy with the gun' also make the appointment?  That would even foil the peephole test.

Pardon my scepticism, but in the short time I've been reading these boards I've seen several instances of providers claiming they or a friend of a friend were robbed/beaten etc and the only 'beat up' has been the story.  The common thread in all these instances has been a lot of righteous outpourings of the 'you poor thing, we've got to stop these bastards' etc etc but little in the way of practical intervention or solutions.



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Black guys sound BLACK!THAT'S WHY EINSTEIN!
Mostly every hotel has a walk to the elavator without a KEY.
What escorts meet guys downstairs and make themselves look really bad to the bartenders and waiters in the the hotel that they are meeting several men. I don't know if you are doing the business in a safe way.



CARRY MACE AND A CAMERA PHONE AND KICK SOME BALLS.
NEVER LET A MAN COME INTO YOUR ROOM WITH A HAT. HE KNOWS THE CAMERAS ARE EVERYWHERE.

Oh... they are most likely reading this post.
You assholes that are doing this are going to hit a dead end and you never know it might be a woman who is going to shock you.

You see... losers that do this will never know what girl is going to hurt them in a way they will not be able to walk out of the room.

LE loves to bust armed robbers, but I am suspecting something very inside about these incidents.

I was full of shit. You don't look too smart now do you? Many gals don't want to deal with with LE and compromise their identities as providers. Next time Emma, engage your pea brain before you engage your overly LOUD mouth!!!  I honestly don't know who would pay for your ass?

I think the part of the story about a gun being put to her head was made up. Why is Jenna Lee the only provider that this has happened to? This guy has targeted other indy's and never used a gun before. I guess the story sounds better if you add that the attacker had a gun.

why book an appointment using a'white voice' then have a guy turn up at the peephole who obviously isn't white?  Why not have the voice match the appearance.  Duhhhhh.  And no, you are wrong, all the big chains in NYC to which the first post referred have key security in the lifts.  Don't shoot the messenger - it's a fact, go and check it out.

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I don't mock, just question, though why I bother given the annoying presence of silly little boys like you is beyond me.

I find it incomprehensible that anyone, provider or not, would allow themselves to be robbed and have a gun pointed at their head and not report it to the police.  But who knows, maybe there are women out there who are that cowered and browbeaten?  

BTW - any word yet on how these girls managed to slip the handcuffs after he was gone?



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Actually no.  As a provider who does a lot of outcall to hotels... lots of major hotels here do NOT require a key to get in or a key to use the elevator.  I know.  Ive walked right in and up to the room hundreds of times without a key or a call down. Its very easy. Ive found the security at most hotels are very lax if you look like you belong. I live here btw. Anyway, why shoot the messanger?  True or not, this is supposed to be a forum for information.  Let us make the decision whether we want to screen these guys out or not.

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We need to shoot "HOT" pictures together. I Cant wait to see you!! xoxo

I wish I scooped up that alias first.

thirsty

Yes I am aware that there are hotels with little or no security.  I stay at them.  However, my statement was "all the big chains in NYC to which the first post referred have key security in the lifts" - this is correct, which is no doubt why clients tend to avoid them.  It doesn't matter whether you look like you belong, or you look like you just wandered in from a different galaxy, a lift that requires a key card isn't going to deliver your assailant to your floor without it.  If your security is an important concern, choosing one of these hotels is a pretty good way to start.  

And of course you have the right to screen.  In fact I would describe it as an imperative.  I don't see anywhere in these threads where anyone has suggested otherwise.  

I must say it would be nice to have just one thread from any of the women who claim to have been threatened.  I really want to know how they got out of those handcuffs.............

I am saying that Jenna Lee embelished her story to make it seem worse that what had REALLY happened.

Not all of the muggings had to necessarily have been done by the same people. Perhaps that's why there are differences in the stories