Last month I made an appointment with a provider from a well know agency. I was running late called the agency to see if it was ok, or should I reschedule. I was told no that's fine go ahead to the incall location. When I got there the girl was nice but was watching TV. I had to actually turn the TV off. This agency is well known for allowing second cups. So after the first one I relaxed figuring I had time. The providers cell phone rang when she answered it she spoke for a minute, hung up and said she had someone else coming and I had to leave, because I was late and another person was coming. When I told her, I had been told it was ok to come late; she pressed redial on her phone and handed to it me. When I spoke with the phone person she told me she did not have time to discuss it with me, and hung up.
Needless to say I was very angry, I told the provider I would mention the treatment I received in my review, and I left.
About a half hour I received a call from the agency telling me, they would say I forced this girl to have sex, basically a bunch of BS. We spoke for a while, and I decided not to file a review, as the phone girl said the provider was lying. The next day the phone person called and said we have a great girl, and she would be made available at a discount, because of the treatment I received. I was very busy that day and ask for a rain check, I was told great no problem. When I called back a week or so latter and ask about the deal, the phone girl said she would call me back, I am still waiting.
Why am I writing this now? I read a review this morning about one of their girls. Previous she received all 5's and 6's on her reviews and this morning she has an 8 from what???? A first time reviewer, making her sound like the ultimate provider.  Please I may have been born in the afternoon, but not just yesterday afternoon.
I am not going to mention the name of the agency; I will leave that to you to figure out. Just beware; there are cracks in the facade.

Hi,
It is because I hear about experiences like yours that I stay away from agencies and stick with indy's with good reputations.
That is not to say that ALL agencies are bad. I am sure that some are fine. I just seems to me that the odds, never mind the prices are better with the good indy's.
I tried making the exception with a BDJ visiting knockout and I was the one stood up. Since they do have a good reputation, I may try them once more but you all hopefully get the point.

In the last four months I've gotten e-mails from a lot guys just touching base or have a question about an experience.

Fortitude is in California. A few nights ago he had dinner with about 4 to 5 Cali. hobbyists. I've had dinner with Jammer and by now, you guys figured out that I know Fortitude pretty well.

You'd be surprised how much local information a few hobbyists know. Jammer told me this story a few weeks ago. It turned me off and, I too, stayed away from that girl.

We have dinner from time to time, so if any local LI guys want to meet up, feel free to email me. Just note that I have more to lose than gain from being in the wrong company - understand, good.

1way

of being blacklisted.

Since I am single, have nothing to lose, willing to travel far to see other ladies even outside of this country, I tried hard to be true to myself and honest in my reviews.

I have recently posted some critical reviews on ladies of agencies I used before and will probably use in the future.  I have also posted messages in TER boards that are not in the interest of a LA agency which I frequented.  I had also posted a response about BDJ of the problems they have with their bookers.

Recently I have also revealed my identity to a few members of this board.  I had written an unfavorable review recently on a visiting lady.  I am quite sure she knew it was me who wrote that review.  Apparently, I was the only one who provides enough detail about her in her reviews.

I sympathize with your situation.  Unfortunately, some agencies and independent ladies tried too hard to maintain the facade of being perfect where perfect is impossible in this business.  It would better if they just accept that some of their ladies are less than stellar in their attitudes.  Sooner or later, their manipulations will be revealed and everything they do will be suspected.

People do backchannel each other.  It is hard to keep a secret in this internet age.

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Things sometimes go wrong even with the best agencies and the best hobbiests and it's harder to make it right when these business arrangements have to be kept secret from all our "other" associates, family, friends, etc.  Walmart can say "drop by anytime, we'll replace it and probably give you a discount" and it isn't even a rounding error on their balance sheet.  I suspect most providers and angencies are on a much tighter shoestring and have a hard time working in an hour of someone's time for a discount, especially when someone has to volunteer to absorb the cost of someone else's mistake.  I'm inclined to give the benefit of the doubt both ways when things go wrong.  Often the next experience will be the better for it, even if it's not free.  For a review, I think an honest story that isn't a personal attack would be understood by most people and shouldn't result in you being censured.

Hard to know what to do.  Nice to be in spectator's position to be able to post the truth.  The problem is by not revealing the name of the agency you cast a shadow on all agencies.

You could say it was the agency's fault for scheduling too tight but you really caused the problem by being late.  What would you do if you were the next guy, were on a tight schedule and didn't get your second cup because the guy in front of you (you by the way) was late and threw the whole system off.

I agree the phone girl should probably have told you to reschedule and I think it is reasonable for you to call them to ask about your discounted session.  But I would be proactive, call them and explain the deal they made, then go do it and not sit back and wait for them to remember about you.

After only several months of being in this hobby, I must say I really do appreciate those hobbyists that are "exploring" new provider frontiers....that are going where no hobbyist has ever gone before.Warp speed Scotty...lol...That being said...what it really comes down to in this early pioneer stage is that whether or not its an INDY or an Agency...its like what someone named Forest once said(in part),the first five or so sessions with an unknown provider is like a box of chocolates....you don't know what your going to get.
As for me...I'll minimize my risk and do my research on providers with more than several reviews making sure I'm also checking out who is doing the reviewing. I would also hope that if I'm ever in a similar situation like Jammer was in, where the agency acknowledged his lateness by saying it was okay(which I would take as not affecting future scheduling)and then turned around and penalized his time: that the powers that be at the agency step in and do the right thing. Of course, with an INDY, whatever happened is all your pretty much going to get.The review is your opportunity to state what unfairly happened. I do agree with the previous poster to go back to the agency head again and reiterate what happened and what was promised but not yet delivered.
Cheers and happy and safe hobbying!

these people need to be taught a lesson or two ... though if you choose not to post a review, i can understand

let's bear in mind however, these type of f**ckups and "mishaps" are almost ALWAYS the agency's doing, not the girls ... they are (often) the unwilling participants to threats like this

agencies threatening hobbyists (with exposure, trumped up "rape" charges, etc) is simply unforgivable!

While there are a few of us providers who strive to do our very best there will always be a time when we are less than perfect. Afterall no one is perfect. I read my reviews for the most part I'm proud of them but there have been a thing or two that would have never been brought to my attention had I not read it here. The only way we can know we are doing a less than stallar session is to hear about it. Granted my feelings get hurt at times but it allows me to see where I need improvement. Sometimes the best thing you can do is give some constructive critisism. Now being rude crude and downright not nice is totally what I'm not talking about, unless of course the way a girl carries herself warrants it. Idndie POV
As far as agencies go sometimes they really are not aware of problems unless it is brought to thier attention. Believe me if enough complain and it starts hurting business changes will be made. Granted scheduling problems are are primarily because of the agency. However in their defence (general) they deal with many girls who while dynamite in session they may be veru irresponsible, show up late, and no show. The hard decision is what to do with a girl like this who clients definately like, but on the other hand is making the agency look back because of tardiness and absence. I mean there is only so much a girl can get fined. Something that I think is needed in an agency trying to run a tight ship.
Samantha Summers
who has been on both ends of the spectum

 The agency knew full well they had an appointment scheduled right after yours. When you told the agency that you are running late and they said it was no problem, what they meant to say was you are screwed for running late, we still want your money but the girl is still going to give you the boot at you orginally time and there is nothing you can do about it because we already have your money and 90% of the people we deal with would never cause a scene at a hotel with an escort. But then again, if you do cause a scene I (owner/agency/phone girl - Do simple phone girls really exsist?) am down in Florida and don't have to deal with it.

 Some people might think I am being a little harsh in my assessment but I would doubt any rational person would think it isn't the truth.

 BS like this is just par for the course. But what pushes this over the top is the agency had the nerve to actually call back and tell you that they were going to say you forced the girl to have sex with you if you posted a legit bad review. Who were they going to tell, a TER post? The police? A few dozen messages on your voice mail?

 You have about as much chance of seeing a discount from them as you did of getting a full session on your first meeting.

 You aren't the first to be stood up by BDJ. I'm sure most people are afraid to post because they might be cut off from the ultra fine foxes BDJ generally provides.

I am doing the same.  Doesn't matter how many good looking ladies they have in their stables, if one can't reliably contact them, what is the point?

There are other choices out there.  The owner right now is using her fame to recruit new talents.  She doesn't want to or has the time to smooth over the management.  It is really too bad indeed.  Eventually things are going to be catching up on her agency.