OK guys, here's the problem.

I have scheduled a visit to NYC in Feb. (Yes, I've managed to track down Moleculo's lair and am going to introduce him to Bruce, my pet Funnel Web). Under ordinary circumstances I ask that first meetings are at least 2 hours so I can understand a bit more about what makes you tick.  This also allows me to keep to the 2 meetings a day schedule that I prefer. Unfortunately, I am being inundated with requests for 1 hour meetings, which I am (politely I hope) declining.  I am seeking a response  to the following questions -

1) Why the fondness for 1 hour?  Is it a budgetry issue?  A function of how much free time you have?  Or uncertainty about someone new?

2) What's your view on 90 min meetings?  Are they are good compromise?  Or do they suffer from the same issues as above?

3) When visting a tourist, what's more important.  Low volume, good reviews by experienced TER members (ie quality of service), less impact on your wallet, range of services offered.

Thanks for you input.

Em x

Looks like a survey to me. This sounds like a call I got today about buying a car--(lol)

I find it hard to get away for much longer than on ehour and I am almost never avail. on weekends.

Great reviews by those I know of means alot to me.
For some I am sure budget is an issue. I am sure the services Emma offers are quite fun. Good luck!


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Hi Emma,

My thoughts on why the 1 hour works best for me....

  1. Yes, budget.  While I'm sure it's well worth it, $830 for
     2 hours is close to a week's pay.  You can enjoy 2
     different ladies for that.
  2. Most of the action will take place in the first hour.  
     After 1 or 2 rounds, most guys are tapped out with in
     that first hour.  I guess there's a point of diminishing
     returns.
  3. Time.

For me, the first two are the key.  While I have enjoyed one of my ATF's for 2 hours, her rates where very reasonable making it possible.

Best wishes on your trip.  
Avgjohn

1. All the above
2. Same issues as above
3. All of the above

If you should decide to offer 60 minute sessions I would politely like to resubmit my appt. request.

Thanks and I hope we can arrange to meet.

1)  I prefer 1 hour if I'm interested, but if the reviews don't completely rock my world, then, in that case, budget is an issue. Free  time is not an issue for me since I am an "evening only" guy and don't have to worry about getting back to work or home.  I've had several 2 hour appointments lately, and they have been terrific!  Particularly if there is a little free time after to hang and chat if we connect.  A multi-hour discount seals the deal.  For example, I recently saw someone with awesome reviews (mine will be coming soon), exactly what I was looking for.  Her 1 hour meeting was $500.  2 hours were $800, so that sealed the apointment.  That rate per hour was in line with the local market, in my opinion.

2)  1.5 hours could be ok, but never had one of those.  There, price and corresponding reviews make the difference.

3) Solid high reviews with corresponding comments are essential, and the comments make a connection with what I'm interested in for the week.  I have mostly seen tourers, and plan to continue down that path for the foreseeable future.

good luck with the tour!

I wish I had more of both.

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Miss Bond:

One hour increments are the American hobbyists' standard unit of measure - just as "grams" are a standard unit of measure for those with another hobby!  If a 90 minute session were offered with an appropriate "volume" discount (not simply 1.5X), I would be interested.

My single largest concern with respect to tourists is that the provider is looking to maximize her revenues while visiting by lining up one hobbyist after another like some kind of assembly line - i.e., its 8 PM, therefore I must be Number 6 today.  For that reason, I tend to gravitate towards the local ladies - although, I have to admit I dig Australian accents!

Good luck - enjoy your visit.  Have someone take you to Bistro du Nord (Madison & 93rd) for a nice dinner.

Here's a differeing opinion. I almost always prefer a two hour session. The difference is so significant it can hardly be described. Quality is what quality gets.

One hour is the "norm."  Ergo, inertia.  You want talking foreplay but most guys are not into that.  As to the "tourist" issue, again most guys hope that the next lady will be their latest ATF, and not disappear for six months.  And visiting ladies tend to try and max out their revenues.  Turns off most guys.

1) I like one hour for the initial meeting to make sure we click. Only once have I agreed to book multiple hours on the first meeting.  While there have been times when I regretted it, there have been many more times that it was a great decision.

2) I'd be more likely to take a chance with a 90 minute session than a 2 hour session.

3) Great reviews, full range of services are very important.  I keep my eye on the wallet, trying to stay between $300-$500 per hour (although I go higher on occassion)

I like one hour meetings for several reasons, it's hard to find time for more than one hour.  If there is no chemistry, who wants to be stuck with someone if just want to get out of the room.  As far as what makes me tick, I'm a nice guy and I treat all providers with respect and kindness, so what makes me tick is a hot willing provider.  As far as 90 min I still don't have the time.

  Damn Emma:


 I just spent over and hour sending you a PM and lost it brcause I wasn't logged in . I'll send it again, but I'm bummed because I lost a lot of time and feelings sending it. It's in cyberspace now. I'll send you another PM tomorrow. I have some good insight for you.

It is a simple moment is time.
Money (4 me) is not the matter.
You appear to be a top-notch lady and I do mean all the best, as I have a lot of respect for you.
BUT...
Asking for two hours as a minimum appointment in this time of desperation, desire, loss loves, and unsettled jobs is... quiet much.
You might be running a "business" BUT people are still trying to run their lives. The money is tight, life is tight, childern in comabt are tight, questions with financing are tight, what else can be tight...gee ask Bush..well no, bad IDEA. the village is still lost looking for that idiot...either way.
I suggest, which I know.. you did not request, is to retract and find another affair  meaning fun) of thinking. Think about what you can offer a person in 90 minutes that you could not do in an hour. I would love to know the people I see but 2 hours or 4 days can not justify my requirement to see a person for that inital amount of time.
The other options is: FAKE TILL YOU MAKE IT....get the higher inventory, guessing game guys to see you and it might pay off. Me..I could not deal with the "my world my ego" shit...
You are beautiful I am not ...therefore this could work for you.
I wish you all the best darling.
AngieRenee
Ever need a friend in NYC to hang with call me...

XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXXOXOXOXOXOXOXOX


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Emma - You are unique and incredible. NYC is a quicky city - even the high end providers are offering one hr appointments at premium rates. Other services run their women at high volume- don't change your behaviour to match the others- You are different and a jewel in the crown. The guys of NYC will find that out.  This is not a paid political announcement. It is my misfortune that I will be out of the city when Emma is in the Big Apple. Read the reviews they are honest and accurate !! NYC is also a place where providers unfortunately experience alot of no shows



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Angie, if I didn't know better I'd think you were making a pass at Ms. Bond.  I think she takes her martini shaken and not stirred!

Oh bollocks! There is so much more to beauty than the message conveyed by a bunch of pixels on a screen.  Judging by your great reviews and large fan club, you don't need me to tell you you're a babe.

Thanks for the advice.  

Em x

Neither should Emma. She should cater to the clientele that appreciate seeing her for two hour minimum. Ladies that prefer hour appointments can cater to other hobbyists. ladies that want to provide budget service can cater to those that do not want to pay rates that they feel are too high.

1) Why the fondness for 1 hour?  Is it a budgetry issue?  A function of how much free time you have?  Or uncertainty about someone new?

One hour is too much time, and not enough at the same time.  If it's a one pop session, I am afraid to say I can't last an hour.  But if a second pop is offered, an hour isn't enough time.  I usually go for 2 hour appointments, but find the last half hour fairly wasted (depending on who I see).  I think most people prefer the 1 hour appointment strictly based on the money.  I know it's my biggest issue.  If I had the cash, every appointment would be 3 or 4 hours.  

2) What's your view on 90 min meetings?  Are they are good compromise?  Or do they suffer from the same issues as above?

If the cost isn't exorbitant.  I think 90 minutes is a great compromise.  But not if it's going to cost an arm and a leg more.  I like discounts for more time. Something like 300 for 1 hour.  425 for 90 minutes.  500 for 2 hours.  That's the standard rate for girls I usually see.  I realize that your base rates are higher than my usual.  I am just going with what I have seen that I thought was fair.


3) When visting a tourist, what's more important.  Low volume, good reviews by experienced TER members (ie quality of service), less impact on your wallet, range of services offered.

A combination.  I won't see someone who has a lot of bad reviews, or who charges more than I can afford, or who doesn't offer what I want.  The only issue you mentioned that I don't care about is low volume.  As long as you seem comfortable and into it, I don't care if you see 1 person per day, or 10.

You have asked the exact same question on the Boston and the NYC boards.  Yet, you have been in NYC before in this biz.  So, Boston market research is not the issue.  The question is, why is this one hour problem an issue in NYC and Boston, but not in LA where you have been before and are returning.  Are guys in LA more understanding?  Wealthier?  Maybe you have more repeaters in LA?  East Coast v. Left Coast? Are those in the East more picky than those in LA?  Bottom line from an accounting view is simple: which is more profitable to you the traveling lady?

A) LA is not on my itinerary.  
B) You answered you own question (rudely).  I am wondering why 1 hour appears to be the unit favoured on the east coast whereas in LA 2+ appears more popular.

plane tickets to the US (let's say 1 thousand, from Australia I bet is much more), car service from and to JFK to NYC (200 at least), 4 or 5 hotel stay in NYC (at least 350 a night plus taxes), room service for basic meals (150 a day)...huh...if you add all up, is impossible to keep a low key of 2 appointments a day (from which she will make 830 X 2)....and NYC is notorious for last minute cancelations as well. A travelling pro cannot do only one or two appts a day, because what is the reason to travel to a distant location if there is no money to make from it???

(this is not a jab to Emma,is nothing personal, I wish you all the luck in the US...but coming to NYC thinking that you can profit from 2 appts a day is just not close to reality)

a comprehensive and informative post.  Your comment about the last half hour of a 2 hour meeting being largely wasted was particularly revealing.

Again Thanks!

My interest was in understanding how the value equation worked, and perhaps gaining some insight into east/west coast attitudes.  

I believe I read that California's economy would be something like the 5th largest in the world all by itself.  Cost of living there is ridiculously high, however your rates (or any provider for that matter) probably seem more affordable to west coasters as opposed to east since they don't scale based on geography.  Therefore two hours is appealing.  I'd love to spend two hours with my provider of choice when the opportunity arises but the wallet just isn't deep enough.

But, then why travel to a place far from your own if you're losing money doing it? For the love of being a pro? Far as I know, you are a smart woman and I think you already know the "insight into the east/west coast" because you did visit NYC few times and knows how things works.

Thank you. You are really sweet to say that but I am just an adverage person. What I do know in my real life is people...
Kisses..
Ever need ANYTHING.
You know where to find me
Kisses
AngieRenee
XOXOXXOOXO

In fact I don't think I mentioned financial position at all which makes sense given that it's not germane to the discussion at hand.

Not every trip has to be about working and money. It can be for the fun of it too.  Id love to take a trip and work my way around the world if I could. Im certain that would not be profitable but who cares, Id see the world.

On Jan 24, you posted the following....


theescortreview.com/msgBoard/viewmsg.asp?MessageID=133678&boardID=1&page+

I have to agree. The problem is like I have in my real life...
Who wants to pay a therapist $$$ hour to work with them on issues.
In a way we do that, fulfilling things for ourselves and others.
Too bad that others do not view it in the same way. Thank you for your kind comment before. Sweet, but I am me. Always am...
If you need something holler and I will do my best.
As for NYC they will be there when they can but Feb is a tough time of debt and reget...so be it.
We all still all love you nontheless...
AngieRenee
XOXOXOXOXO

In chat you said your trip will cost 17000+ AUD.  If guys only want to see you for one hour, that means you need 4 v. 2 appointments.  As Diva said, why come to the States for any reason other than the opportunity to make more money here than down under?  You've done NYC before, why the question this time and not on prior trips?

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Perhaps she just likes New York.  I could visit Australia and have it cost me all the travel money and hotel money.  But as a tourist that would be it.  I wouldn't have anything to offset the costs.

Perhaps Emma likes NYC and wants to visit.  If she is coming here anyway, then any money made is extra.

I certainly would be happy, on any vacation, to be able to work a few hours a day and recoup some of the vacation costs.  I wouldn't need the whole vacation to be paid for.  Just offset a bit.

I'm a busy girlie.  Schedules change.

Emma

First, I just want to say your eyes mesmerize me!  I would love to spend multiple hours with you, but economic realities and other competing obligations would prevent this.  Therein, lies the rub of life in the US.  You should also factor in the issue of making such a sizeable investment of time & money on an unknown entity.  Although reviews are helpful, you never know how it'll be for you until you experience it.  But, as someone who grew up in NYC, but now makes his home in northern Claifornia, I can also offer this.

NYC is the most time pressured city in the US.  Due to its density of population and the demands of the business world, time is viewed as a very percious commodity.  Everything is on a faster clock in NY and taking 1 hour away from a work day is a huge undertaking.  Americans and more so NYers live to work, unfortunately, instead of working to live.  In addiiton, yes money may be an issue for many.  NY took a big hit from the stock market collapse and September 11.

The West Coast and LA in particular is on a different clock.  I see this in the more laid back approach to life even at work.  Whereas a common site in NYC is to see people's veins popping out due to stress in the workplace, many employers in Calif. offer their employees yoga classes or massages at the workplace.  This is a gross simplification/generalization but I myself have eased off the throttle since I moved out west.  

Now LA is unique because you have Hollywood $$ being sprayed about for such things as having a nice afternoon, evening with you.  Southern California also has fared much better in the economic collapse because its economy is more diversified than say Northern California which is still a rotting sinkhole due to the dot com implosion and the resultant tech meltdown (200,000 layoffs in Silicon Valley- folks).

As for me I have experienced a decrease in my income of over 60% from say 3-4 years ago and nothing leads me to believe that it will return to that level anytime soon.  So you bet that impacts on my ability to be with a provider I have not met for more than an hour at a time.  Not to say we're all piss poor in Northern Calif., but my story is similar to many others who enjoyed robust incomes just 3 years ago.

Just my two cents


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Thanks for taking the time and effort to prepare such a comprehensive reply.  Yes, having worked in NYC myself I was wondering whether it was a time pressure issue. Though having never worked in SoCal couldn't really compare.  Certainly LA seems a bit more laidback than NYC (though still nothing compared to Sydney.  Now there's a laidback city

Thanks
Em x

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I agree totally.  Have these guys heard of the junket, conferences in the Caribbean, etc.  Yeah those are all business trips right?

Come on guys, don't impute your single minded obsession that everything in life revolves around money to others.  I envy Emma, travel the world and make some cash along the way but not allow the quest for money spoil the experience of visitng different places.

Even though we're not in the best economic shape.  Northern Calif. is a beautiful place to visit - San Francisco, wine country (Napa, Sonoma), Carmel and Big Sur.

Who knows if you give me enough advance notice maybe I can scrape enough pennies to see you!

New york has got to be by far the most economically depressed state. Read political news and our wonderful president Bush.. Taxes here in Buffalo NY.. where I live ( A bit more upstate ) Are going up to 9.75 %.

Since the war.. the industry has changed greatly.

California.. There is MUCH money flying around!

Good luck in New York Emma

No matter if you are a SW making 25 dollars a pop or a high priced call girl making 2500 a pop. Is ALL about making money, otherwise she would not be here after your green benjamins. If it was a pleasure trip, why worry about the difference between east and west coast? Why asking what she already know from her previous trips? The answer is = self promotion, a post like this attracts lots of you guys posting and praising this and that and trying to be helpful when she knows all the answers. I just think is funny when you guys believe when a provider say "I just limit myself to two appointments a day", when in reality is five or six because she needs to make the trip worth her being here. If is not about the money, then book the guys for free, right?

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sometimes one hours under the right circumstances are really fun!  I am a low volume provider and don't do many one hours but 1.5 's are great too.  In Nyc during the day one hours are quite common due to the obvious but the evening ones are rarely one hours.  Good luck in the city if its this weekend, you picked a great one!

Enjoy,
candie

so either the bonus people don't read TER or don't have the time !  I do know the after 6 pm crowd do go for multiple hours.



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I have seen a provider who worked for a well known agency who had to have 6-8 appointments a day. She said it was exhausting and stressful. She said it effected quality as well as her sense of who she was. I am not judging , I am just saying that most cannot do high volume while at the same time offer quality.
Chacun son gout. I think a solution is 90 minutes.

Emma, I also think the difference is that you are one of the "stars" of the TER chat room. That room is populated by mostly CA men and providers who have gotten to know you via that forum. If the NYC crowd had the opportunity to meet you via that vehicle, I believe you would have had more requests for your required 2 hr. appointment. The more knowledge we have of the provider or any other investment, the unknown becomes known, and our willingness to go for 2 hrs against the 1 hr norm is easier. However, I do know one nationally ranked provider who now is once again offering 1 hr appointments but it is for $$$$$$.



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I can appreciate your dilemma.

I've been considering two hour minimums myself...and most of the time if the first hour is fulfilling,

I generally throw the clock out the window...

Not to see time fly, but to continue the silly sweet slutty shenanigans with my special lady.

Afterall...

After some Champers,friendly conversation, and fro-lick-some,frisky foreplay...

What time is left to consummate the pertinent pleasureable preliminaries?

Then later on...if we are still giggling...It's off to din-din and more merriment elswhere...on "My arm" of course.

I hope this helps and in your case pay no attention to the supposed "turnoffs" and no need to fill out the form...

Cheers!

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We get maybe one quarter of that for personal activities. Also, many of do not live in the city and have a train to catch. Two hour appointments and then commuting to LI gets me in way past my bedtime. Then I am useless the next day.

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rather have 2 $400 sessions.

Create a beige (red?) book - fed reserve- for the industry- perhaps invest in futures and provider hedge funds. Do daily price tracking and hourly fluctuations. a dow jones avg for the industry along with an S&P index- Who to put in the index ?  - weighted by offerings and minimums Also for touring vs resident provider index- what are the variables ? Tape to appear on Bloomberg - maybe then he would stop the crackdown.

lol

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...are only good for one hour gigs? cheap bastards...

btw, i'm looking forward to meeting bruce; perhaps he'll like willy, my pet mongoose.

mo

understand what the hell Angie Renee's posts mean???

understand what the hell Angie Renee's post's mean?

only a fool would not want 2 hours w/u, i have been a member for the past 6 months and your posts indicate to me, that two hours would be awesome,  if u make it to ft. lauderdale, i am ready for 2 hours
even if have to pawn my i-pod

An index for travellers, similar to The Economist's Big Mac Index.  It will have to be a composite index based on a basket of goods and services usually accessed by providers and perhaps weighted for consumer expectations in each region.

An offers of help with this project appreciated.

Your average 4 week old kitten could swiftly deal with a funnel web.  Their venom is only toxic to primates.