Julie brooks' thread got me thinking that some of you ladies don't perhaps understand how the bonus system works or the gold mine it represents.  
 
The civvie girls certainly know.  
 
And I'm sure some of the providers who already run their business this way certainly know.  
 
Btw, the title is definitely not judging anyone. If I were a low volume/high priced escort/SB, this is what I would target.  
 
Some more helpful observations to help girls who want to know how to capitalize off the "big swinging dick" on Wall St as Michael Lewis called the big rainmakers, or even the average guys:  
 
1. We already talked about the "letter" and the timing. As common sense will have, that money starts to burn a hole in the pocket as soon as the number is known from dec-feb.  
2. Junior to mid-level guys get their bonus all-cash. Senior guys get a lot as restricted stock, but naturally their numbers are much bigger. But by and large, these guys all have families. They still step out but it's different dynamics.  
3. It's a lonely, high pressure life for the guys who aren't snapped up by a civvie girl. Some of these guys are even fun as they know how to party. Yes, they're not good bf, but who cares - you're the ultimate in NSA.  
4. The "recruited" guy - this should be a focus of attention. A guy who was bought out to join a competitor bank will typically get at least 2x the going market value, depending on the term of the guarantee, and his bonus for the next year is guaranteed and known at least a year in advance. He also likely gets a signing bonus. Just as with other guys, this money is burning a hole in his pocket. He also gets a "garden leave", where he's paid to not even show up to work. Prime hobbying time.  
5. The inconspicuous afterwork watering hole- Bankers have a certain place they like to go after work, anytime from 6-9pm. The routine is after about an hour, the married guys or those who have to be somewhere take off first. The single or otherwise horny guys often stay behind. This often leads to a strip club adventure where I've personally seen guys drop $500-$5k on no special occasion, and maybe get blown in the champagne room if they're lucky. After i started doing this, i stopped seeing the value of all that. It would be super easy if a high-quality escort and a doubles partner, dressed simply to go out, hung out at one of these bars. At the very least you would get free drinks and dinner at the bar, corner a guy in a conversation alone and you could negotiate a transaction if he looked interesting. As long as you don't get a junior dick who needs to run off and tell his friends, I'd say by and large bankers know how to go with the flow on this one. You will not encounter LE in one of these places. If you follow a group to a strip club with the understanding beforehand its an arrangement, well, that's more money. And he's already horny. Or you'll find another banker there. Many times, drinks have been sent to my table from a colleague with the message: "btw, you did not see me here." Lol.  
6. Is there a place they advertise? Lol. Not to my knowledge unless they put an ISO on an escort mall saying they're a fat bald old but super rich banker looking for a date. Some SB sites (ter prob won't let me name them) perhaps. Lol  
, I've even had girls friend me and people I know. These are the kind who have legit fronts on Modeling sites.  
7.if you're wondering if a guy in jeans and not in a suit is in finance or not, learn to read the shoes and maybe the watches.  
Maitre d's certainly do.  
8.The SB negotiation is a whole other thread. But it starts with hanging out with then or getting introduced to the players. Why would they do it? Need I explain this? You'd be surprised how many take on girls for a SB arrangement.  
9. Who knows. You might make a legit work contact.  
 
Why do I care? I don't. Just another fun subject.  
The nyc board has been boring lately.  
This does not mean I want to introduce anyone to anyone else. Lol

Isnt this a free f-ckboard?
 Unless you own T reehouse SA, where you can then control the content.
Wait. You don't? What a frickin' surprise...
I also have a buyout fee for silence. But doubt you can do that either.

I've read your inane, hooktarded stuff.  
All about how dumb johns are and beneath you.
Anyway, a couple years more and you'll be collecting social security and Medicare anyway.
No, I'm going by your real age, not your TER. Lol.
Yes, I know you...We know why you're pissed. Over a little recent defense of a competitor...hehe.

Love the people who write how little they care and then almost pop an aneurysm.
But then again, if you weren't a hooktard and had marketable skills, you definitely wouldn't need to be irritated by this. Dumb-as.

I value your opinion. Feel free to write back. Lol.

I personally happen to agree with your business model and your train of thought.
The poster who replied flaming at you has to realize that when she is on her back at her age with little to no business, can not accept the fact she is no longer desirable, she comes out flaming.
So just ignore her and maybe she will head off to the shuffleboard courts and play, "if you beat me you can eat me games" with the octogenarians just so she can get naked with someone in the closing balance of her life.  

This gibberish sounds like a last minute book report on something some drunk kid didn't even read.  

Good guess, and the people who write the book, (escorts, not some dude who thinks he knows the business,) know this is an uneducated report. Nice try.  

Anyone else want to flaunt their financial awesomeness? I say pay the piper and fuck fuck fuck

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Dull tool- meet shed. Lol.

Great example of drunk writing, btw. If I were calling someone's writing uneducated or gibberish, I would have spent more time on mine. That's just me.  

I don't blame you.

You must feel you're "occupying wall st" or something.

Or else you're trying to win superho's love.

Somebody though must gave taught you to use those catchphrases but not actually cite examples of what you mean.

Feel free to check the factual parts of my piece.  

The rest is called a thesis - something to debate.  

Btw. Loved your post on GD tonight: Posting for a hooker during a session?  
Sounded like a hooker had your cock in a restraining bolt (as in  Californication) and made you post that.
I have a few guesses as to which... Lol.

Maybe i'll use your story as the standard for gibberish and uneducated...

I left it alone because I was tired, but talk about Mangina stuff. F-cktard.


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First, we know who your dumb-ss mistress is.

Second, posting for a hooker (hm, who for? lol) during a session, then this?

Love to see how you put pen to (electronic ) paper for the Mangina movement. Lol

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If I like someone and they're in an unfortunate situation I've paid for their cab, for my dinner, for both of our many drinks. It's been 10 months since the last time I did it but will do so again I'm sure.  

And I don't claim to have skills. I'm just an honest girl experimenting. Duh

And yes, I like having my balls restrained. Being dominated is hot

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The admiring guy who posted below you is down on his luck too it seems.

Might be a F-harmony match?!

If a guy's respectful, goes through screening, agrees and pays the amount asked, shows up clean shaven and smelling oh-so-good, then he passes with flying colors.

How about I throw out some numbers and dollar signs with a picture of the awesome car I stand by at the dealership? Do you think she'd give a rat's-ass? Maybe, if I pay her rate in full and possibly tip her and treat her well.

The most important things in seeing a provider. Meet their screening and other requirements and pay the asking rate, no questions asked.

You think a car repair shop would reject my business if I were poor but had the cash in hand for the service and repairs? Or if I couldn't tell them how well versed I am in their profession? I highly doubt it.  

My business plan for the ladies
Take the business and take the cash.

Other than that bro, your OP was interesting and well thought out. Just pushing buttons. Calm down oh flustered one.

You certainly put more thought into the response this time, so that, at least, is an improvement.

To recap what happened here (quotes below):
You start with drunk rambling with some catchphrases; have yet to back that up when I ask you to; and switch to the claim that women should only care about the cash your average, clean-cut, good-smelling, well-screened ass provides them.

No worries, bro. You win the award this week for Non- Sequitur argument. Go ahead. Look it up.  

Somehow my OP for capturing a high-end finance market offended you and morphed into a dissertation from you on how proud you are to make the minimum cut- to get through screening and make the donation...Wanna cookie? lol.

And you also implied how happy a provider should be to take that respectable cash you represent.

In the words of Dr. Evil, "R-r-IIIIght."

Anyway, I'm sorry some dickish Wall St guy like me fukked your GF, sister, and possibly your mother.  

Just to let you know, the low-volume VIP providers ARE smarter than you (and, yes, they DO laugh at you) and are offended that you compared them to a "car repair shop." Btw, another no-no is using the word "poor" to describe yourself in any financial context. They're already running for the exits. I would think they'd find the OP on snagging a bank client/guy as more informative than the practical wisdom you gave them. If anything, you're a cautionary tale of what happens if they don't plan ahead for their financial futures, relying on their smarts rather than spreading their legs for the likes of you (to videotape, and possibly post on during the session, as you said tonight on the GD board). Lol.

This link is dedicated to you, bro.  -- Modified on 1/23/2014 4:40:45 AM

Can only be read about in (history) books.  It is very different now from the roaring 80s at Soli which Michael Lewis wrote about in "Liars Poker".  Heck, that firm, and many others don't even exist any more.  Also, the crazy dot.com days are long gone where some 20something hot shot with BS, bull-market short term trading profits could make Partner and pull down millions in bonus cash.  Those guys did tend to party like rock starts back then though.  

Big Swinging Dicks (BSDs), well, there are a lot fewer of them nowadays and they are making less.  The average MD probably makes 500-1.5mm, but in NYC, and with their HUGE overhead - big apartment or house in the burbs, expensive cars, nannies, private schools, vacations, occasional Hobbying etc., you'd be surprised how many of them don't save much.  Sure there are a few of the really big rain makers that make multiples of that, but as I said, they are practically an endangered species nowadays.

Hanging out regularly at the local watering hole - I don't know many guys who have done that since their junior days. Does make me remember the early days where you could hang out at Moran's at the WFC on a nice summer eve after work and watch all the ladies coming from the SI Ferry in hopes of landing a Wall Street guy.  Made for a couple of good ONSs...  With fewer banks, and all spread out, I don't know too many bars that iBankers are really frequenting anymore.  

And strip clubs, I don't know too many guys doing that either anymore.  Especially after the infamous Fidelity HeadTrader birthday party where Dwarf Tossing was added as entertainment.  That one incident led to a massive crackdown on T&E expenses across both sell side and buy side.  You pretty much have to get approval from Compliance just to take a client to a Yankee game, and a Gentleman's Club, fuhhgettaboutit, unless it is out of pocket...

Oh , and the 'recruited guy', that also happens much less, the premiums are lower and the guarantees less and shorter.  Good luck finding him.  

So all in all, an interest strategy for some ladies, but I think the odds are quite low that some Sugar Baby Wannabe is going to land their dream Sugar Daddy iBanker hanging out at some bar down on Wall Street.  Does make me a bit nostalgic for the old days though.  I guess I just outed myself as a finance guy.  Oh well, not like there arent a few hundred finance guys in the hobby in NYC.  I hear we are only outnumbered by the lawyers, lol... Thanks for playing ADJ...

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Thx Spartan for making me realize I have a foot in the Tar Pit !! LMFAO !!! Those were the Days....OOPSSS!!! I think I just outed myself TOO!!! Pretty Good Memories Tho !!!

I had to quote what you wrote because I can't recall it all.  

Let's run through yours one-by-one:
Point 1: Saying that times have changed, ergo x cannot be y. No shit, Sherlock. Dinosaurs don't walk the earth either. You forgot Lehman and Bear Stearns isnt around and Merrill is now a commercial bank too. What's the price of tea in China?

A non sequitur argument.  

You know of the Fido dwarf story with the mid tier bank in midtown, which sounds like a boutique men's clothing store. That tells me you're at least a junior or you can google. The point was to create negative sentiment in the OP in an Occupy wall st kind of way.

Point 2. There are less big swinging dicks than before. Yes and no. There are fewer a-sholes who trade without the proper risk management controls (so that's a good thing). Want to argue there isn't a guy called the Piranha and  no one plays liars poker with dollar bills anymore. No shit again, non sequitur. But you're saying there are fewer managing director (md) positions in banking making over a million. Combine this point with arguing the cost of living in nyc. Dude, do you hear yourself? That hasn't changed.  

Yes the investment banking side contracted and there are fewer md's. there also was a long recession. When companies aren't thriving, bankers don 't.  

What you didn't note is that all that money is still around- money flowed. Hedge funds contracted too but the dominant ones thrived. And the talent went with it.

I'll combine this answer with Point 3, which is that there are fewer recruited positions. I don't know about that but in my position alone 10-20 people move every year with guarantees. That's anecdotal. But from headhunters people who get these calls know of many others. At my firm alone, it's all md's, and all 75 (ballpark so you cant identify us) are living the good life. Again all anecdotal. But who do you think lives in all those town houses and luxury apartments even now. The Japanese?

Point 4. Mentioning firm compliance. Wtf - non sequitur again. What do they have to do with how I or others spend our hard won personal money? As long as I'm not using company money to toss dwarves.  

Point 5. Finance guys don't hang out in bars together and don't go to strip clubs. Y-eah. Listen to yourself again. Yeah it slows down in the recession, but it always picks up with bonuses and good times.

But one point is true: good luck finding this guy. Why? The civvie girls are getting them. And you girls aren't perfectly positioned. In other words, there must be a safer way to cater to this group that still exists, despite this guy's thought, than than Itzer's agency that serviced Spitzer and got busted.  Therefore, my thesis is not all that unreasonable given that example. But then first, some joker not in the business comes out pissed (my money should be good enough argument) and now, some junior / down-on-his-luck guy kind of in the field jumps in. These subjects aren't for you guys. Your writing was entertaining though.

Btw, ironic that you mention the dwarf tossing because it's known that regarding the counterparty in that incident, one of its highest executive found a SB and actually married her- divorced now but she still made bank. Lol.   -- Modified on 1/23/2014 11:47:27 AM

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Seriously though...  I do apporeciate your use of Latin based vocabulary.  Let me guess, you went to law school and not B-School, you are a VP in Compliance, sit on the trading desk wearing a referee jesersy trying to befriend the senior sales guys and traders in hopes they willl give you a shot some day.  You used to blow your measly bonuses at Strip Clubs, or were lucky getting a few sales guys to buy you lap dances, but now pick up BP girls.  Well, I 'wouldnt know what  providers you see, because you use an ALIAS!

I have been in this biz for quite a while and I am reasonably senior.  And I knew about the Dwarf Tossing incident well before it got leaked to the press, because I know someone who was in the room...  So I am definitely more in the know than you.  And trying to discredit you in an 'Occupy Wall Street' kind of way, WTF, I have worked on Wall Street my whole career.  Well, not actually on Wall Street any more...  And back in the glory days, some firms turned a blind eye to adult forms of T&E.  Yes, now it has to be all out-of-pocket, hence the mention of Compliance....

Did the money still flow, sure it did.  But the Hedge Funds, really???  Clearly you are not really in the know, because that ship sailed years ago too..  Many are gone, and a lot of the ones that have survived and grown struggle to generate high single digits and stay above their high watermarks.  That shrinks the performannce fees, and subsequent bonus pool, quite a bit for the guys who aren't at the very top...  The real BSDs nowadays are really in Pvt Equity Firms, that is where a lot of the talent has gone, especially as they diversify themselves, but you are clearly not in the know there..

So other than trying to be entertaining and a bit nostalgic, my purpose was not to solely discredit your OP.  It was meerily to point out the glory days are over and there are a lot fewer potential Sugar Daddies out there, and some provider is sure as shit not going meet them at a Wall Street Bar or Strip Club....  And I doubt a real BSD wastes their time with TER as well.  They have much better connections.  Actually, read Larissa Pearla's blog, she met an SD in her bank branch (ok, that may be a slight shill for that little Latin hottie).

One last thing I will share,  I am very happy to say that I currently have what I consider to be a pseudo 'SB/SD arrangement'...  Sorry, I am wont be sharing any details or writing a reviw of her, but I have quite the good gig going.  And NO, I did not meet her at Bar, Strip Club, SugarDaddy.com, etc...  I met her through TER! We hit it off, agreed to see each other more regularly, and worked out a nice rate...  My advice to the ladies, if they value certain clients and want more 'regulars', is to consider offering monthly arrangements...    

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Your firm is my service provider, not vice versa.  

No, not in compliance.  

Hopefully I don't allocate any soft money to your firm. Oh well, I'll never know.  

Good luck with your views.  

I've read your posts. They use English. That's About all i can say. Lol.

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Just give me three lines on the business plan, the timeline and the exit strategy and we're good to go...lol

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