Hi,
I apologize in advance if my question is retarded. I was reading a provider's profile, who was extremely uninhibited (BBJCIM, Greek, etc) when a comment caught my eye. One of the reviewers wrote that the girl was "very clean and smelled fresh."

Interestingly, this provider was extremely popular and she had 230 reviews (23 pages worth). My question is: if a lady is that "accomodating" and have had so many guys in the last couple of years, what are the actual chances that she is still disease-free?

In a thread many months ago, Alexia pointed out that an intelligent professional sex provider--such as herself--was far more knowledgeable and thorough in her hygiene and her partner's hygiene than the average college student.  Are there "skanky 'ho's"? Yes, of course.  But not every successful provider is a breeding ground of STD's.  How many? Who knows?

While BBJCIM is not a no risk activity, it's fairly low risk.  If her other activities are all covered, there is no reason to assume she is any more at risk than any other provider.

As far as being disease free, I'd say no chance.  But I'd say that for all providers and hobbyists.  The question is, which disease...

Look at the odds.  I have heard that 1 in 4 Americans has herpes.  That's 25%.  The more sexually active you are, the more likely you are to have it.  So,  statistically, providers and hobbyists are the most likely to be those 25%.  

My personal guess would be that 95% of all providers and hobbyists who engage in BBBJ or DATY have Herpes.  

After all, it's transmissable even when you are non-symptomatic.  No sores and still contagious.  There is no way that people who engage in any bare activities haven't got it.  However, it's not a big deal.  

If you are not symptomatic, you don't really need to care?  And if you don't want to spread it you can get a prescription for a supressant so you won't pass it on.  But it's silly to think that anyone in this hobby would be disease free.

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Water, love ya like cake, but I'll have to disagree. Herpes is serious. If you ever plan to have children herpes can be passed during or without having an outbreak. Your children could be born sight impaired or with other birth deffects.

I think a provider needs to ask herself if she plans to be in this business for the long haul or if she just needs to accomplish certain short term monetary goals before engaging in any uncovered services. Also, don't let anyone convince you that barebacking or swallowing splooge is completely safe, cause it simply is not. It may be low risk, but being a provider makes it a higher risk.

To each her own, but there are way more clients who prefer covered services than you would think. Many just don't post on the PMB's.

TER's own Alexia has given, as always, the definitive answer.

Alexia, love ya more than cake.  

I have no medical training and was simply recanting things I have heard over the years.

But whether it is a serious affliction or not, we all need to be realistic about the risks.

Lately, I have come to the conclusion that I'd prefer all my services covered, if it will give me better peace of mind.  I just haven't gotten to try dental dams with anyone yet.  Maybe my next session.

Yeah and you can add genital warts to that list of STD's; you can contract this just from rubbing up against affected area or by finger contact with someone who can pass it on. Absolutely, there is no guarantee of preventing STD with the type of sexual variety we all enjoy. Let the buyer beware!

...more clients who prefer covered services than you would think.

Amen!!

Alexia,

So...according to this thread if I did a DFK with a provider,
and DATY with no cover. I most likely have contracted something?

My impression is that the women in this business are clean careful and professional. Once in a blue moon you might cross paths with a high risk wacko, generally not. What percentage of the gentlemen carefully wipe down with an alcohol based sanitiser after sex or are regularly tested for the STDs, or even clean their mouths thoroughly with listerine before and after the date ? If everybody did life would be a heck of a lot more fun, unfortunately the average dork has conquest issues on account of some babe who wouldn't put out for him in high school or bs he read in Penthouse once upon a time or things Seymour Butts convinced one of his girls to do and wouldn't it be too cool if. I frankly don't want to be the date after this one.

By putting a number to something you imply precision.  I read
your post and every single line (actually almost every sentence)
has some form of half truth, inaccuracy or is just plain wrong.

I don't disagree with most of what you say but you seem to be
stated facts when you site numbers.  You can express opinion
and give your line of reasoning but adding numbers to it
without facts is misleading.

The most egregious:  "My personal guess would be that 95% of all providers and hobbyists who engage in BBBJ or DATY have Herpes."
Come on, you say it's a guess, but then you add a number to it.
Where does this number come from?

P.S. The only totally accurate statement is that 1 in 4 is
25%.

fr

"Alexia,

So...according to this thread if I did a DFK with a provider,
and DATY with no cover. I most likely have contracted something?"

I won't answer that question on the basis that I don't know the medical history of other providers or when and what circumstances you may catch an STD. I simply posted a reply to the initial thread based on my knowledge and questions posed to my gynecologist.

As I said before, to each his or her own. At least know the risks.  

Frankie, you say that every single line has a half truth or inaccuracy, but I stated no facts to call inaccurate.  I qualified every number I used.  I didn't say 25% of us have herpes.  I said that "I have heard" that figure.  That sentence is 100% true, as I really did hear it.

You on the other hand state it as a fact, but provide no source for that info.

You also complain that I used a number in my guess that 95% of people in the hobby have herpes.  You ask where I came up with that number.  It was a guess.  By definition, that means I came up with it in my head, and not from any outside source.  I don't claim it's the real number.  It's just my estimate.  Simply by stating that it is a guess the statement becomes completely accurate.  It is neither misleading, nor a half truth, unless you don't know the definition of the word guess.

I know that adding statistics to a statement gives it more credibility with most people, which is why I went out of my way to repeatedly state that these were things I had heard or guessed, and not actual official statistics.


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