If a Hobbyists has no reviews, we shut them out or be cryptic.

Limit detailed information.

What else?

...but let's also completely shut out those with no standing at all, those without the ability to PM them.  They're either hiding behind an alias, or are not TER members at all.

don't shun them, that could be impolite. just be cryptic and hold back on details and such

those with aliases should perhaps be treated the same (if not more reservedly) unless they're "known" to you. but one trouble with that is it's easy to impersonate someone else's alias

for example:  rickd78234   and  rickc78254  

can you tell the difference in a crowded thread?  

Once again, faulty logic.  I'll repeat an earlier post, which at the moment hasn't even been posted yet!

              Villageguy posts no reviews
              LE posts no reviews
  therefore,  Villageguy is LE

This is the same lack of logic that is demonstrated by the following:    

              all dogs are mammals
              all cats are mammals
  therefore,  all dogs are cats

You guys out there can do what you please, but never let paranoia
displace rational thought.

Look for the envelope next to the posters name.

I agree, basic info can be given as long long as it is common knowledge.

Remember, we all were newbies at one time and some people have a greater thirst than others.

"You guys out there can do what you please, but never let paranoia
displace rational thought. "


So true villageguy, so true.

But, if you were looking for any info I'd hope you wouldn't use your alias.

"villageguy" is an alias for {FattyBoy} (who btw has no reviews)


let us consider the following posts right here the NY Board:

1. in the thread: "Incall Establishments" (4/11/2003 8:15:47 PM)
villageguy engages {whitelightening} and {joeyp_ter}, asking them for a password in order to make a "surprise" visit to a long-lost girlfriend who's working in an exclusive upscale incall establishment (48th & 3rd) that's by personal referral only (to keep the LE out). when {joeyp_ter} blows him off ("sure we believe you") he goes on to elaborate how if he asked this girlfriend that would ruin the surprise and so on. villageguy even goes on further to ask about that "other" place on 93rd & 2nd and so on.


2. in the thread: "What does FOB mean?" (4/18/2003 2:35:54 PM)
villageguy is quick to respond ("Fresh off the boat") demonstrating his knowledge of the not-so-obvious acronyms


3. in the thread: "Julie's" (12/2/2002 9:07:03 AM)
FattyBoy (aka villageguy) asks detailed questions ("does she give BBBJ?") and when he's told by {HootOwl} that this board is not the place for these kinda questions ("no need to spoonfeed the LE" -- HootOwl), FattyBoy replies "what does LE stand for"? to which {whoppr} responds that FattyBoy should spend more time on the newbie board. so apparently villageguy (aka FattyBoy) knows what FOB stands for but not what LE is.



now these are simply FACTS!  i invite anyone to double check them on this board (in case i made any mistakes, it is possible). on this occassion, out of fairness, i've minimized drawing any conclusions from them (that's up to each and every one of you to do by yourselves). to quote villageguy himself: "never let paranoia displace rational thought"

and no discussion of FACTS can be considered irrational.

that rat fink "bee-itch" Ronald Grab (how's that for a last name, eh?)  he handed LE all the goods. the bastard.

now did they have to go and print the names of the girls for christ's sake? i hate it when they do that. why do they never print the name of the officer who almost got laid in the line of duty? so his wife and community folks know what he does all day.

i tell you one good thing to come out of this [tongue-way-in-cheek] we now know the girls' real age! LOL ... no but really, poor gals. it sucks. i hope their out of bail already.


but remember, THIS is why we must all be extra vigilant. imagine your naked ass being in the next room when one of these busts goes down ... fuggadaboutit!!

-- Modified on 7/11/2003 12:42:11 PM

And, by the way, the pix on Eros are from a stock internet source, not an actual photo of the gal you'll get.  Maybe LE is now practicing Bait n Switch?

-- Modified on 7/11/2003 1:54:07 PM

You often impress me Mr. S.  Very good analysis.

If it looks like a fish, and swims like a fish, and smells like a fish, it is definitely not a cow.

F.

Now boys, be hospitable. Let's not forget that many a gentlemen lurk before they actually jump in and participate. We don't want to scare them away. Although, I do think the database contains enough information that newbies shouldn't have to ask board members explicit questions. As for posters with no reviews, I don't think they should be automatically discounted but viewed the same way you guys do a provider without reviews. With skepticism. Either they'll get a review up or fall by the wayside.

to legitimize their sting baits.  They advertise ad in SD ad malls.  Members in SD board refer them as "the legion of doom".  The in crowd there kept a list of phone numbers and member ids of those LEs.

My impression is that among members exchanging info, they often used coded words.

Even Orange County (OC) didn't employ those tactics.  LAPD is currently concentrating on rooting out MPs in strip malls, occasionally busted a lady in wealthy neighborhoods like Brentwood after complaint by neighbors.  For the most part, hobbying is in good shape in LA.  Some of us have a policy not to discuss much about our only trusted local agency PC in LA board.  But we also don't get paranoid about new members.

Houston is wide open with Escape pretty much own the local scene.

Don't know much about the NYC scene but I doubt that they are as agressive as SD or OC.

it is not LE related, quite often it only means trouble.

about the lurkers. I was one of them just a few months ago but as you said and I said previously on Fortitudes discussion below, there is plenty of information on the TER threads to jump into this hobby and with eyes wide open...I may add.

Many good points have been made on this topic. Anyone care to summarize and post a first draft of our new charter or it may be as simple as this....As for posters with no reviews, they should not be automatically discounted but viewed with skepticism the same way us hobbyists treat providers without reviews(Sound familiar Alexia).Information offered should be no more than information already available to TER VIP members.
What am I missin?

Drafted on this day the 11th of July, Two Thousand and Three, by the Board of Trustees of the TER New York Discussion Board, in response to the demands and rightful concerns of its citizenry and pursuant to the ever-increasing threat of LE on our leisurehood (hobbyists) and livelihood (providers) and herewith humbly penned by the NY Board's Secretariat General and transplanted New Yawker and all-around buffoon, Singleton.


Our New Charter:

1. first and foremost, be civil!

2. refrain from public discourse on "sensitive" matters

3. be mindful of revealing too much to non-reviewers and aliases

4. as much as possible network and exchange info by VIP PM

5. refer newbies to publicly accessible sources only (do not give out "priviliged" information)

6. acknowledge that providers need new business and that not all lurkers, newbies or non-reviewrs are necessarily LE

7. before posting anything, pause and ask yourself: "will this aid and comfort the enemy (LE)?" ... if even remotely so, don't post it!

and finally ... as King Herod once warned the young Roman Emperor Claudius,

8. TRUST NO ONE!


... and so help us "God"



NY Board Trustees __________________________________________

NY Board Regulars __________________________________________

NY Board Providers _________________________________________


TER's Seal of Approval (C) 2003 (All Rights Reserved)

What normally happens is that a "newbie" or "alias" poster asking for information is referred to purchasing a VIP membership and then will be given help on all of the search engine variables that can be used.

The San Diego TER guys even mention a Google search when that applies and really it's much like when we were kids and mom and dad pointed us to the dictionary rather than spelling out the word for us.

Which, really, when choosing a date.... how can anyone else do that for us??

Ok, these posters are TRULY called every variation of Farmer John Bacon. *giggle*  It really depends on who reads the thread first. *giggle*

Honestly, though...If you're interested in any of the other "going's on" do look to Seductive Sedona or Sexy Ginger Girl for authoring great posts both on San Diego's forum as well as the national board.

Also there can be found a great amount of information by using Search and a variety of terms... related (I'll let you think those up for yourself.)  Supergirl as author in a search will also be a great resource for you.

Thanks to Spectator for "fleshing out" some of the ways the "legion of doom" likes to play in SD.  In San Diego a TER VIP 20 reviews deep COULD be a person intent on making your day a bad one.  We've learned never to make assumptions.

*smooch*
Elise

-- Modified on 7/11/2003 6:48:24 PM

But do we now have to elect officers?  Or does anarchy prevail?

One way (no pun) or another, I'd sign this.

With A big enough "F" that King LE and all else can see it without their spectacles.  Up the Revolution!!!

Is this the way they started with ole Sam Adams in Boston?

There are simple answers for all the things you brought up, most of which I already explained in other posts on other threads.  But, as it happens, I've known for YEARS what FOB stood for, but at the time, I didn't know what LE stood for, never having any need to use the term.  But like I said before, you can believe what you want.  I can see that logic is a useless tool for you SIMPLETON, so now I can say what I really feel, as being nice to you was a total waste of time.  I think you're a complete asshole who tries to dominate these boards, and you and your cadre can spend all your obviously valueless time posting your thoughts.  The FACT remains that you are TOTALLY WRONG about me being LE, and quite frankly, I can use a number of other aliases on these boards and you wouldn't be the wiser.  Indeed, I have at times.  But I do it only when I'm bored.  Information?  There's nothing that you or anyone else on this board could possibly help me with.  So sit on your finger and rotate!

Me too.... I'll second Singleton's commandments.

SIMPLETON, GET A LIFE!!!  You could have said all this in 3 words - USE COMMON SENSE.  You disgust me with your holier than thou attitude, and from the look of these posts, you have some company.  But, if it will make you happy, I won't post under villageguy again.  But then who will point out all your logical failures?  Bye-bye SIMPLETON.

To tell the truth jaejae, I seriously doubt that I could possibly get any useful information from this board.  I did once, but it was PM'ed to me.  Other than that, I never asked for nor received any info.  I look at these boards for laughs, and sometimes out of boredom.  I'll tell you one thing though - there are a lot of uptight people out there that get bent out of shape when you disagree with them, and there are those that go completely apeshit when you point out their faulty logic.  So be it, but I have no beef with you.

you know [laugh] i was willing to let this rest "villageguy" ... but since you're bending over backwards to f**k with me and calling me names again, i will proceed to expose you even further

TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN: in addition to the FACTS i posted above (btw, everyone please take note that he has not even bothered to explain any of the more damning evidence, only to summarily dismiss the others without rebuttal - a pattern of behaviour that keeps popping up over and over with this "guy"

here's what i've been able to discern about this somewhat odious "character" from a recent exchange on the National Board: the thread entitled "Do you officially end your friendships or relationships' by ComputerGirl posted on 7/1/2003 6:17:27 PM

villageguy has (rather ridiculously) adopted the personna of an Ivy League graduate from Boston (a Phd no less!) yet when i asked him some very simple questions about the Ivy League school(s) in Boston he claims to have graduated from, he could not answer/verify/comment or correct me on ANY of them. only to dismiss my comments with his usual style of prevarication that has by now become his M.O.

villageguy  ...  PROVE to us (or me at least) that you are in fact a PhD from "that school" you claim to have graduated from. please, for your own sake. put our minds at ease. you've had ample time (over a week) to at least do some research on the web and TRY to come up with a convincing answer or comment about what i said. won't you please say SOMETHING that could mitigate your alleged false condemnation?  ... instead of just childish name-calling and insults a 4th-grader could top?

i'd like to know if i'm wrong (i admit it's entirely possible!). at least establish this one "fact" that you went to an Ivy League school in Boston.  please?  pretty please?  LOL


do this, or go away and forever be silent ... and send my regards to your squad.

i didn't catch it the first time i read your post. you're GOOD. you're almost halfway to being a red-blooded Bostonian!  LOL

i agree whole-heartedly ... let anarchy prevail. no need for too many elected officials or trustees (that was just a silly joke really). by all means, let us be egalitarian like our founding fathers

god bless this country ... god bless this board ... god bless everyone like we ... except for the cursed LE!

Listen, but first let me compliment you, you write very well and are obviously well educated. So why would you not know what a simple abreviation like "LE" stands for, if you want our trust go out this weekend, and become a hobbyist and write 3 or 4 reviews. What is so bad about that? I would like to join a club where all I have to do is get l**d a few times and write about it. This also applies to Whitelighting.

Let's remember the fraternal order of gangsters you cannot be a made-man until you kill someone. While I think that is a little extreme here,(just kidding) I do think you should jump in and get wet. If you make a mistake with a provider it comes to live and learn. There are somepeople who post on this board have been very helpful to me when I have questions.

excuse me this I could not find on the newbie site.

No jammer52, I don't think any of you, including singleton, are stupid.  Misguided on a couple of things relating to me, but certainly not stupid.

Now, I could easily write a couple of reviews if I wanted to, but I choose not to for personal reasons that I won't disclose, although, trust me, are quite valid.  I will say this, however.  Currently there are only 2 gals on the internet that I have had the pleasure of being with.  One I don't see anymore - the other I see at least once a week.  A lady that I see VERY often no longer advertises on the internet, and a lady that I see about once a month lives elsewhere and is no longer in the business.  So, as you can see, I only see 3 gals (although that keeps me rather busy and makes a dent in my wallet) plus a wild Brazilian who lives in Rio and finds her way up to New York every six months or so.  OK, once in a blue moon I step out of this pattern, but only with someone I know and trust, and certainly not anyone I would write a review about.  Most important, my experiences with these gals are very different than others would find them.  I know this to be an absolutely true statement, and I would never even think about writing about it publicly, even under an alias.  I suppose I could alter the truth a little, but then what would be the purpose of writing a review at all?  Besides, too many people do that already.  So, I'd much rather pay my $50 per quarter and read TER for entertainment.

You are wrong, and I don't have to prove a damn thing to you.  What I said was true, and you have the right to be wrong.

By the way, the moderator of this board chose not to include one of my posts (although I can't fathom why), so just let me point out to you that the technical term for your faulty logic that I pointed out on my first post on this thread is the FALLACY OF THE UNDISTRIBUTED MIDDLE.  You can reference it in Copi's INTRODUCTION TO LOGIC starting on page 189.

once again my friend, you demonstrate your mastery of the art of prevarication: "you are wrong / i don't have to prove anything / i absolutely know this to be true / i've explained this before elsewhere [WHERE?], etc}

do you even LISTEN to what you are saying? "I know this to be absolutely true" ... just WHO are you trying to convince? me, the guys on this board, or YOURSELF? for a guy who's claiming to be an Ivy League PhD you sure come off sounding like a desperate high-schooler.

and don't you friggin' DARE be dragging the MODERATOR into this tangled mess you've weaved (that's what happens when you compound lies upon lies). are you seriously telling us that the ONE post that would've exonerated you was the very same one that he blocked?  isn't that a bit like a child saying "MY DOG ATE MY HOMEWORK" ?  

now as to this syllogistic fallacy you're clutching onto with dear life ... don't insult us and make yourself look even more ridiculous. DO YOU THINK PEOPLE HERE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS? so much so that you have to repeat it over and over like a wannabe professor? if you go back and read the posts you reacted to with the knee-jerk reflexes of a mule, you'll see that no one made any strong inference from that premise, only that SOME non-reviewers are likely to be LE. or do you not understand likelihoods and probabilities? or maybe it would be easier for you if i drew you a Venn diagram!  


i suggest you put down that INTRO TO LOGIC 101 textbook you picked up in community college (or the "police academy") and invest in this scholarly handbook instead:

MATHEMATICS AND PLAUSIBLE REASONING, Volume 2:
Patterns of Plausible Inference
George Pólya
Princeton University Press, 1990.

wait! don't tell me .... it's already on your shelf, no?  LOL

Otherwise, I wouldn't do it. It sounds like it might hurt.

-- Modified on 7/12/2003 12:07:43 PM

of the 2, 3 (or is it 4?) providers you see or have seen, NONE are eligible for you to write a review of, eh? therefore you are off-the-hook and hereby excused of this simple request that was asked of you by jammer52, is that it?


(*) let us apply your favourite discussion tool (LOGIC) to your own ridiculous statements above and dissect them further:

"Currently there are only 2 gals on the internet that I have had the pleasure of being with. One I don't see anymore - the other I see at least once a week." -- villageguy (aka FattyBoy)

one you don't see anymore? so how is it that's she's "current"? surely she's on the internet as you say, so you can write a review of her (seeing as how you're through with her), no?


"A lady that I see VERY often no longer advertises on the internet, and a lady that I see about once a month lives elsewhere and is no longer in the business." -- villageguy (aka FattyBoy)

oh, dear me! TWO more ladies, that brings the total to 4, right? or are these the same 2 providers above? so the one that you see VERY often, is she the "weekly" one you mentioned? and the one you see MONTHLY, you say she lives elsewhere and is no longer in the business, right?  so pray tell, how then do you manage to see her every month if she lives elsewhere and is no longer in the business?  some kinda exclusive deal with you?


"So, as you can see, I only see 3 gals ... plus a wild Brazilian who lives in Rio and finds her way up to New York every six months or so." -- villageguy (aka FattyBoy)

what? THREE gals?  i thought the count was 4, if not 2? silly me, did i miscount? and the wild Brazilian (YES!) which brings the count to 4 (or is it 5, if not 3)?  of course we would NEVER expect you to write a review of someone who lives in Brazil! that would be unfair.


"OK, once in a blue moon I step out of this pattern, but only with someone I know and trust, and certainly not anyone I would write a review about." -- villageguy (aka FattyBoy)

now ... isn't that SPECIAL? but of course, i mean who wouldn't? it stands to reason: a villageguy like you would HAVE to "step out" once in a BLUE moon [cough/LE] and of course we all understand how you could NEVER right about these SPECIAL encounters!  

----

DUDE! ... my heart goes out to you (for real, i mean that  do yourself a favor and DISAPPEAR and do it quick! check into a new alias and start lurking all over again. it's too freakin' late to salvage this mess you created. you botched it up GUY!  you botched it up real bad. maybe the sarge will forgive you this time, or maybe they'll even promote you, who knows?  seeing as how you managed to hold your water for at least a coupla months!  LOL

dude, trust me, i'm a reasonable mild-mannered guy. believe me, i've tried to "reason" with this here "officer" (or whatever he may be). i've given him ample opportunity to defend himself (nothing too personal that would violate one's privacy just simple everyday things to verify his claims)

but does he listen and act on them, HELL NO?  he just sprays vitriol in everyone's face left and right. like a cornered poisonous skunk who's run out of holes to crawl into.

the last thing i want is to come off sounding like a mean mother-f**king arse-reaming LE-gut-stomping machine to all you all homies here on NY board!

cuz that just wouldn't be right, it's like .. i don't know ... so NOT New Yawk! .... kno' what ah mean??

LOL

That reaming read like f***en poetry to me. You picked him up, bitch slapped him and dropped him in the mud. Too bad you're not around, I'd open a beer for you.

It looks like you can take the New Yawker out of New York but you can't take the New York out of the New Yawker!!

"So, I'd much rather pay my $50 per quarter and read TER for entertainment. "

If this is so, then why don't you do what you say.  Just read and lurk.  Don't post if you don't know.

...and maybe my professional degree at a private college doesn't count for s*** but I'm not the SIMPLETON (as you put it) who couldn't figure out what LE stood for.

I choose to be paranoid. I like to be paranoid. I don't want to spend a night in prison. If paranoia keeps me out than so be it.

OK Simpleton, let me do the math for you, as numbers seem to cause you as much grief as English.  There are only 2 girls CURRENTLY ON THE INTERNET that I HAVE SEEN (past tense).  One I don't see anymore - one I see weekly.  Got that so far?  Another I see very often who no longer advertises.  So far that's 2.  A third gal I see every month who lives elsewhere.  How do I manage to do that if she lives elsewhere and is no longer in the business, you ask?  Well, I get on an airplane and fly to her city, you moron.  I suppose you could say it's sort of exclusive, but I don't think of it that way.  So, that's 3 + the Brazilian.  I hope this is not too difficult for you.

Each to his own.

That's not even close!  IMHO, singleton's posts were rants bordering on rages.

Look, you don't have any reviews and rarely post. Singleton pulled your past posts and they suck. You pulled the education card and pissed all over yourself. I've been trying to help out and defend the guys against, B&S and ripoffs and you say that my logic sucks. Well then, to each his own.

I agree, to each his own, as I said in an earlier post.  The rest of your post isn't even worth responding to, and that's all I'm going to say on the matter in an attempt to be polite.

villageguy, i'd hate to say "you did it to yourself" so maybe i shouldn't. you are so rabid that i'm afraid you'll fly off the handle again and muddle things up further. DON'T! you already said your peace. now let it rest, so everyone can cool off. no need to alienate even more people here who are just innocently minding their own bizness trying to get laid as best as they can

just remember this (and i'm not trying to be a smart alec, i'm offering you this as brotherly advice):  the next time you AUTOMATICALLY assume that the guy on the other end of the ethernet cable is a SIMPLETON who will not see through the "clever" smoke screens you have put up (for whatever reason) pause and think again. insulting or under-estimating the people whose very company you seek, is not the best way to establish yourself on these boards. if you're about to quip that you are NOT seeking our company, then fine. by all means don't. leave, lurk, participate, sulk, whatever. just be civil ... and finally, don't feel compelled to reply to this post (i'd really rather you didn't)

PEACE OUT ....

[drops microphone, exists stage left]

Hey, I started off being civil, and only responded to your rants.  In any case, I agree, let's drop it.  I too am getting a little bored with it.  I must say, however, that I do like your Bart Simpson cartoon.  I am not as well-versed on a computer as you are - how did you do that?

See up top...new subject.

-- Modified on 7/12/2003 7:04:12 PM

I suppose it all depends on ones perception of useful info.

As a frequent user of (usenet) newsgroups, I've enjoyed good discussions and many fantasy discussions also. Flame wars in the proper forum can be a great source of entertainment also.

It all boils down to the reality or fantasy that we choose, and how we use it.