Yes, there are some providers who fight like wolverines to maintain perfect 10/10 scores without being both world class beauties and world class performers.
This year I saw more 10/10 women in NYC than I had since starting the hobby in 2007. I could not believe my luck.
How many?
2
And one was a Playboy model.
One (at the time) had a stated rate of $600 and the other had a stated rate of $1000.
Both fucked the shit out of me, and were laser focused on my needs, pleasure and comfort. Both were intelligent, poised, entertaining and intensely sexual. Both have repeated this M.O. on the many subsequent visits I've enjoyed. Both are no risk escorts who walk above the clouds compared with nearly (but not) all other women I've seen, reviewed and unreviewed. Both are beyond gorgeous IMHO using the standards of a New Yorker who walks the streets of Manhattan and sees Ford models, trophy wives, college hotties, Broadway actresses, etc., everywhere.
So these woman are ultra rare in two distinct ways: nearly unparalleled beauty and unparalleled sexual performance. The Total Package. That, my friends, is what the 10/10 is all about. Some guys don't believe such a Venn Diagram can exist. IMHO they either won't spend the required coin or have other fundamental disbeliefs. Like that the earth circles the sun. Or that gravity is not merely a matter of opinion.
Yes, I've also seen several other women who earned a 10 in one category or another. Some who have a recent avalanche of 10/10 reviews except from a few realist TER members who write reviews only after the pussy high has faded. And those women (9/10 or 10/9) were uber exceptional as well. Vastly superior to most other women on Earth in terms of appearance and sexual performance. All of these exceptional women have one distinguishing trait: extreme passion and enthusiasm. That is also shared by two women I initially rated 9/9 who on repeated subsequent visits delivered consistent 10-level performances. These two women closely read their reviews, including criticisms, dug deep, and elevated their games in a helium-like fashion. Which is why I'm all up in 'em on the regular.
Anyway, enough.
The best way for a hobbyist to get the R-E-A-L scoop on 10/10 girls (or for that matter ANY woman who captures their fancy) is to pm respected reviewers BEFORE he books. Most will tell you like it is, even acknowledging that (typically) the woman's appearance rating was, err, starchy. Or that she pressured him to give the double ten, which score was not far from or was exactly what he would have given anyway. That is your best insurance policy. If you're too lazy to read reviews and pm dudes for the straight dope, well shut the fuck up with your bitch ass complaining. Yeah, I said that.
BTW - The best way to ensure a positive session is to behave and smell like a gentleman. Like someone these women would want to be with in real life. Like someone you should be in real life.
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It's amazing to me how many people here don't do that, simply because they are too lazy or too cheap to get VIP.
My two cents is that 10/10 providers are a questionable bunch. With grade inflation more common than we want it to be, many 10/10 providers to me are ones simply to avoid. From the backchannels with reputed reviewers, I have heard many times about how a certain 10/10 girl really put the pressure on for the client to not only give a 10/10, but even make it a condition of the session booking to ask the guy to write a review, and to suggest very strongly that he give a 10/10.
To me, that's just crazy because I give as much credence to a string of 10/10s as I do to an S&P bond rating of AAA. It meant nothing back in 2006 and it means nothing today. Looking at Natalia, who was a 10/10 provider for NY Confidential back when Jason Itzler ran the agency in Manhattan, it just illustrates what many guys are rating a 10/10.
Now, if a woman looks and fucks like a Vivid girl, that's probably a 10/10 or close to it, but the truth of the matter is that many 10/10s here are a marketing ploy and nothing else. Does that mean all of them are? No, but enough of them are that the designation means nothing to me.
I digress. The best thing to do is always PM the reviewers directly. And not all reviewers are created equal. Some only give high scores, and those warrant further investigation. Some others only review two per month, on the screws, because they want free VIP. And yet others have reviewed no one else. That's not to mention the reviewers who can't put together a sentence to save their lives, or the ones that are functionally illiterate. Or the two- or three-liners that say nothing to give you any semblance of why this girl would earn a 10/10.
As far as my own experiences, I don't fall into the category of not spending the required coin, as you put it. I have spent six figures in this hobby in the last few years, and many of them were in the four-figure range. So that's not every single guy you're talking about. 
Well-worded on your end.
Who's next?
juanin7billion?
Porkpiehat or whateverthefuck his handle is?
Please.
See the post I have referenced.
Read Juan's review of Diana Love?
why did he give her a double ten?, he had a terrible time??????
Yeah the numbers are misleading but the review is honest. Truth is, he probably kept the numbers high because he figured if he matched the numbers to the review it would have gotten challenged and then taken down. Especially with the provider in question -- I know of at least two instances (mine and one other reviewer) who sent in subpar reviews on this provider and got them posted and then challenged as having "never happened" by the reviewer. The reviews were subsequently taken down and helped keep her string of 9/10 and 10/10's intact. Not a smart review to tangle it up with a provider who has your personal info and is determined to get a subpar review taken down. Such is the imperfection of the TER system. If you actually take the time to read reviews and/or pm trustworthy reviewers you can see through the fog. This kind of manipulation is unfortunate but at least, on balance, is relatively uncommon, especially outside the "top 10" lists.
Hey guys, can't we give this topic a break. This is so old that it really sounds like a bunch of old ladies sitting around the Mahjong table with nothing better to do than talk smack about other ladies like their shit don't stink.
It's no wonder that many ladies have some degree of trouble in their endeavors because pricks are wondering whether the guy thinks they are a 7 or a 10. WHO GIVES A FUCK! You probably wouldn't rate a 2 on their scale, but because you pay the rate and have this forum you think that gives you some privilege that you can actually "score" someone on a numerical scale, then criticize on other guys you disagree with.
I bet if you put 20 of us in a room and had the top providers who had seen all of us, rate us. Probably one of us would get a 7 in terms of looks, being in shape, and having ability in the sack. So who's kidding whom?
If hobbyists want to rank the ladies in their perception of what transpired and looks, that's fine with me. What goes on between providers and their clients is between them, and no one else's business. And the guys that try to be the "Committee of Grandmothers" that troll the boards to oversee scores clearly have some psychiatric issues.
And for those who want to defend providers because their your friend, why don't we try find out what these girls will do to try to keep their scores aloft or removed entirely. There is a lot more going on here than what is actually written. Try to remember that this a sight to promote what we enjoy. Sometimes honesty can be tampered down.
Looks are completely subjective. In my case, I just don't pay much attention to the scores unless they fall below a certain range. Beyond that, it just means I need to do some further work to see if the girl is real and to see if I really will end up liking her.
In the end, it's an opinion, and I listen to opinions but certainly don't make my decisions based on it.
I absolutely agree that what happens between provider and client is strictly between them.
Lots of shit happens behind the scenes, and it's not really, IMHO, that TER is trying to fuck with things at all. Frequently there is pressure behind the scenes to give a certain rating, or to change a certain rating.
Hell, I know of at least a few instances where the provider wrote her own review under the reviewer's login.
I was going to pass on this subject as it has been discussed excessively and lost its important BUT, polarbear, what in the gods name are you talking about? Are you a provider or defending one? This is absolutely ridiculous! Not sure how long you have been hobbying but do you even understand the concept of it?
Let me clarify for all, we(the hobbyist) PAY for time & service provided by an escort. In other words we are the consumers buying a product for rent/sale! So based on our experience we rate the service/product.
So as a consumer, yes, we get to rate the service and person providing it, it can never be THE OTHER WAY AROUND !!
It is no different than renting a car or reviewing a restaurant! A restaurant owner cannot REVIEW a guest who ate there, you catch my drift?
Now if hobbyist were getting paid to give providers service then yes, they have a right to rate and review us, until then WE have the privilege to do so. Its simple business 101, consumer power baby!
SO, the answer to this statement is......YES! " but because you pay the rate and have this forum you think that gives you some privilege that you can actually "score" someone on a numerical scale".
And ofcourse, I mean this respectfully, no offense.
It's no wonder that many ladies have some degree of trouble in their endeavors because pricks are wondering whether the guy thinks they are a 7 or a 10. WHO GIVES A FUCK! You probably wouldn't rate a 2 on their scale, but because you pay the rate and have this forum you think that gives you some privilege that you can actually "score" someone on a numerical scale, then criticize on other guys you disagree with.
I bet if you put 20 of us in a room and had the top providers who had seen all of us, rate us. Probably one of us would get a 7 in terms of looks, being in shape, and having ability in the sack. So who's kidding whom?
If hobbyists want to rank the ladies in their perception of what transpired and looks, that's fine with me. What goes on between providers and their clients is between them, and no one else's business. And the guys that try to be the "Committee of Grandmothers" that troll the boards to oversee scores clearly have some psychiatric issues.
And for those who want to defend providers because their your friend, why don't we try find out what these girls will do to try to keep their scores aloft or removed entirely. There is a lot more going on here than what is actually written. Try to remember that this a sight to promote what we enjoy. Sometimes honesty can be tampered down.
You mean because you pay for sex, that entitles you to rate the and review the consumed product? Like food in a restaurant? Or how you grade a car? Have I got that right? Gee, that sounds like the self entitled scum sucking fucking assholes that America has become. Men standing around rating women. How fucking misogynistic is that. Nothing to do with the humanity or feelings or compatibility. So because you found some buddies on the internet, you feel entitled to grade and degrade women according to your masterful idea of what a woman did for you or followed your idea of what Penthouse and Playboy taught when you grew up.
My entire point, you putz, was that the pricks are sitting on their asses and judge these ladies and then get pissed off if some other hobbyist doesn't agree with their standard. LIKE A BUNCH OF OLD LADIES SITTING AROUND WITH NOTHING BETTER TO DO! You may have become an old lady yourself. Some people around here know me as a great appreciator of some of the fantastic ladies that I have found through this site fortunately. But I don't spend my time degrading women, even if I had a bad experience. Or the hobbyists that have different standards than I have. They are their standards, and I have no desire or ability to change them. Everyone is different.
My example, and you apparently didn't read that part so well, if providers could grade hobbyists, the grade would be woefully low. But because they pay, they think they are James Bond and are amazing sackmates for the ladies. I think it's pretty funny that some of these guys are fairly pathetic men are grading and degrading women. As Juan has pointed out, if ladies get good grades, it means more money in their pocket. Providers have other ways of grading: income, comfort level, can they get off with this guy. Just to name a few.
And I think that maybe you should have passed because it seems to me that the respect part stopped a long time ago. Or haven't you figured that out yet either. This isn't Consumer Reports.
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Hmmm...........Man you went blow by blow on this one, and of course, I still respect you as even though I disagree with you doesn't mean you are a moron, so sir, that ship hasn't sailed.....yet!
That being said, Polar I am getting more and more inclined to believe that either you are a complete shill, a provider or just simply can not comprehend the English language! I am NOT talking about MEN RATING WOMEN, if it happens to be so, then so be it! I am talking about consumer rating a product! How the fuck does that make us "misogynistic"? And definitely a poor choice of word, here let me help you, in the dictionary the word "misogynistic" means -
mi·sog·y·nis·tic also mi·sog·y·nous (-s j -n s). adj. Of or characterized by a hatred of women.
Who is hating women here? Actually, we as hobbyist are spending money to love em, in a way LOL Americans have become "self entitled scum sucking fucking assholes"?? How? By speaking their mind and weeding out good products and services VS bad? Why don't you spend some time reading the "TER Rip-off reports" and see how this "system" which you think makes us all assholes has saved you $$$ over time ya knuckle head!
You are condoning a mutually beneficial system, for both providers and hobbyist, due to what? some misplaced sense of self righteousness?? Come on Polar wake up, if you paid a provider for an hour and she rushed you out in 20 minutes flat, how do you retaliate from that? Will you be upset or happily accept getting screwed over? Even if you are millionaire and shit $100 bills everyday, it will still fucking bother you if you get ripped off!!
So what do you do in this industry, given the nature of it, You write a review, either provider improves her service or she loses business, in turn when she does IMPROVE her service and attitude guess what? YOU go see her and don't even realize that it was some guys honest review which is granting you the full hour un-rushed VIP service!
I do agree on one thing, sometimes I do feel like an old lady with mood swings and all LOL
My entire point, you putz, was that the pricks are sitting on their asses and judge these ladies and then get pissed off if some other hobbyist doesn't agree with their standard. LIKE A BUNCH OF OLD LADIES SITTING AROUND WITH NOTHING BETTER TO DO! You may have become an old lady yourself. Some people around here know me as a great appreciator of some of the fantastic ladies that I have found through this site fortunately. But I don't spend my time degrading women, even if I had a bad experience. Or the hobbyists that have different standards than I have. They are their standards, and I have no desire or ability to change them. Everyone is different.
My example, and you apparently didn't read that part so well, if providers could grade hobbyists, the grade would be woefully low. But because they pay, they think they are James Bond and are amazing sackmates for the ladies. I think it's pretty funny that some of these guys are fairly pathetic men are grading and degrading women. As Juan has pointed out, if ladies get good grades, it means more money in their pocket. Providers have other ways of grading: income, comfort level, can they get off with this guy. Just to name a few.
And I think that maybe you should have passed because it seems to me that the respect part stopped a long time ago. Or haven't you figured that out yet either. This isn't Consumer Reports.
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Have read this entire thread? Do you have any idea of what actually goes on here?
Let's clarify a few items of perception. I am a hobbyist that utilizes this site. I am not, nor have I ever been a shill. I tried to write a negative review in the past, but was rejected for reasons of keeping a lady's name and scores in the highly reputable range, even though I had a bad experience. I have even been robbed before. That review was rejected.
I do write reviews of ladies that I think deserve reviews. Because of the above mentioned experiences, there have been a couple of other circumstances where an experience did not meet expectations or were not close to past reviews written. My not writing a review was because it is possible that my experience was singular. And that it should not be a representation of the provider. That was my choice. It has also been my observation that certain providers on this site will do anything, threaten, expose personal information, blacklist (the list goes on), to have poor reviews removed. Unless all of us are willing to fight that fight, and is not really worth getting into it for me. It doesn't make me a shill. It makes me aware of what goes on here. I actually agree with you that all of those activities that are contrary to having a wonderful time should be exposed. But as much as one hobbyist may do that, other hobbyist will reject it because they have skin in the game. Hence, many times the truth does not come out. Some of those hobbyist and this site itself would rather not see certain providers be reduced because it doesn't promote what happens here. Money happens here. More than the total truth.
The other side of this is that some of the hobbyists who are actually rating the providers are pathetic men. The ladies here are human beings and not pieces of meat. Our guide here is not Zagats. These same pathetic men feel the money they spend gives them the power to judge women, no matter what these men look like or how they behave. You may be a pathetic creature as well, especially if you think restaurant and car reviewing is in the same category as what goes on here. If you have arrived at the idea that it is essentially the same concept, then your respect of the women who are reviewed here is less that human. I.E. you are a misogynist. If you don't understand your own stream of consciousness, you need to get some help. Any qualified analyst will tell you that you have put some very different eggs into one basket.
Do we use this site as a useful guide to get what we want? Absolutely. As I pointed out, it has been very good for me in many ways. But I have also learned that there may be more research required when I want to see a provider than just relying on some of the opinions here.
to my reviewers ? Before Insulting my English skills ?
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But there are also a lot of girls and agencies strong-arming those ratings from clients. The popularity of this website has spawned a generation of providers that do anything to get on the top 100 list...even if it means making a client uncomfortable or completely alienating them. It's an unfortunate and counterproductive way to do business.
It is funny that some of you guys bring up the rating agencies. I used to work for one of the big three agencies and all of the investment banks were rating shopping like crazy playing us off of each other until they got the best rating possible. They were doing it for one reason, money. A couple basis points here or there and there was a little extra rum in the eggnog at the Christmas party for all of us.
Provider reviews also equal money, period!
How many of you guys don't go out and hustle and do what you have to get ahead in life? Providers are no different. Good reviews can bring them 10 of thousands of extra dollars a year or more. If you want to blame someone look in the mirror. We are this board and we write the ratings.
The more and more time I spend on this site the more and more I am let down by well reviewed providers. Great reviews raise our expectations and when we don't get what we expect we piss and moan about it. I am guilty as charged. It happened to me last night for Christ's sake. For now TER and specifically its members (that's us) is all we got. If you PM me and ask me about a girl I will tell you the 100% truth. I am not trying to curry favor with anyone. I can tell you my experience and I have no idea what will happen in the future if you take the plunge.
My ratings can be a little high sometimes, but my written reviews are always the detailed spot on truth. If you have a question PM me and I will do my best to help you.
J
And now if something trades within a few points of expectations, it's "on the screws."