It doesn’t all add up.

If Jess is upset that she cannot post on P411, then it just doesn’t add up as to why she wouldn’t post on this other site where just about anybody can as far back as Oct 5th!    What happened on Oct 5th?   That is when EM also stopped posting for anyone.  But what doesn’t add up is why Jess doesn’t post on that site anymore and why EM retired abruptly on that same day.  We all know Jess is also a part of what was EM and is financially motivated to continue that legacy.  

 

What also doesn’t add up is thinking that anyone can speak to a journalist and expect for the things they say to not show up in an article.

 
What also doesn’t add up is Jess coming in and pretending to want to be everyones protector.  If that was the case she would have given out warning to all the other gals that something is up on October 5th.

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Could any of it be true?  

So many very nice (MN Nice) guys, who all coincidentally have the initials "WK", seem to think that this provider is the best thing since sliced bread.

Could they all be wrong?

I think if you ask Mr. Knotsaway or a few others, they could probably cum to your rescue. I'm too tech-challenged or otherwise I'd love love love to help you.

Have a great day.

Giggle giggle😄

She / they it dont matter,carefully orchestrated  this from day one.   In the article it mentions how she had  posted online just prior to interview she was going FS.  How convenient  for her / them. Just never even considered the impact it would have on others.  Who got  blindsided   by this . Not Trinity!!!   Not Em!!!  As always they used them for personal gain and shit on them because they thought they were untouchable Thats what adds up . Hope they are happy with the wreckage they caused to other innocent providers by their decision to start this whole mess  big scheduler / article .  

Where can I find this article

Oh, I know why!  I've read it before...

"Aye, aye! and I’ll chase her round Good Hope, and round the Horn, and round the Norway Maelstrom, and round perdition’s flames before I give her up! ... Oh, lonely death on lonely life! Oh, now I feel my topmost greatness lies in my topmost grief. Ho, ho! from all your furthest bounds, pour ye now in, ye bold billows of my whole foregone life, and top this one piled comber of my death! Towards thee I roll, thou all-destroying but unconquering whale; to the last I grapple with thee; from hell’s heart I stab at thee; for hate’s sake I spit my last breath at thee."

-- Herman Melville, Moby Dic

Trin, I do not know why you respond.   It seems like this is for sport now.

But didn't Trinity bring it all back up herself?  Tough titty if she doesn't like the response. Same goes for her rescuers.

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As long as we are trafficking in rumors, Wong, didn't you out a fellow hobbyist?

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Well she has so much free time now that we ruined her career.  Oh wait who did that interview  that got her kicked off P411. Let me   think again.

his old hag outted him.  That's the honest to God truth.  Anyone who saw what you speak about would agree if he and the hag hadn't advertised my coded post on another site there would have been no issue.  That issue then blew up and he threatened me and tried to contact all sorts of providers I had seen to try to buy info on me.  I still have all the emails that were sent back and forth through a person that was brokering the peace accord.  

Don't try to call me out clown.  I'm not one that backs down.  I just brought up what should have been obvious.  Trinity reincarnated the discussion -- not those of us who were previously discussing her issues.  Do you remember seeing me comment in weeks about her?  Nope, cause I haven't.  Nice try...next detractor step on up the microphone is yours.

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... 9 days seem as if they were weeks!  

I promised myself I was going to stay out of this controversy that is riddled with truths & gossip (aka; lies) but this I have to respond to. I happen to be very familiar with the folks you are discussing & here are the TRUE facts....

You Wong got angry at the hobbyist & provider we are talking about here (as well as a couple others here) over a year ago because they dared to challenge your credibility & confront you for bullying innocent, reputable members of the community because OMG! they might appear a more reliable & trustworthy resource taking away from your desire to be the all knowing.

You went on a mission. Threatening them & others privately with "payback", proceeded to accuse every new poster & alias here of being one of them (costing many ladies hundreds who believed you & rejected their appt. requests I might add) That didn't work in your favor & in fact backfired & your consistent attacks got you placed in Time out on several occasions here. You then created a Twitter account wherein you lambasted them, & a few other posters, & TER as well. It was there that you aired a hobbyist's civi identity & were warned of the consequences & deleted it before proof of your behavior could be saved. You got his info via pillow talk from a provider he & you have in common. NOT the "Old Hag" you have been stalking in an attempt to take down for over a year.

Credibility is earned through honesty. You are even allowed to make HUGE mistakes. Credibility comes in when you are man or woman enough to accept responsibility for those mistake, apologize & learn from them & move on to be a better person.

*Drops mic*

I only wanted to let off a little more steam.  Having read the rest of the comments, though, I'd say you are absolutely right.

I stand by my posts.  We can discuss anything you want publicly but you and Trinity just don't want to go there I guess...it's just deny deny deny, fake concern for others, blah blah, poor me pity party.  I'm no Fox Mulder but the truth is already out there.

Open message to Trinity...you can call off the WK's and just PM me if you want to talk.  I don't bite unless asked or backed into a corner.  I'm just the idiot that will actually post what a lot of people would like to say.  That's it and that's all.  Your move.

... in which you've mangled the truth to suit you. That's all.  It must be hard to stand by something that vaporous.  

As far as publically... this is a public forum on the web. Or perhaps Twitter is your preferred medium.  

And no, Fox Mulder you ain't.  

Your first sentence shows you are one that breaks promises so your readers are adequately warned...

You can state your opinion as TRUE facts just by capitalizing a word but if you were to ask a variety of providers and clients they can confirm facts from fiction.  I have done that dear sir or madame alias.  When a varied group of people confirm the same story well...that becomes convincing facts.  Yep...I have the proof in the pudding to show anyone if needed.  We shall discuss your accusations in brutal honesty below.

You need to be more specific in who you accuse me of being "angry at".  I'm not angry but more irriated at most everyone (hobbyist and provider) because the BS abounds.  All you aliases are tough to keep track of when you filter back and forth posting between handle and alias.  Gets a sensible guy hot under the collar.  The lack of transparency, the worthless pay for play reviews, the whine to the principle leading to moderated and removed posts.  It's all become a joke.  And yes, I am all knowing and I'm sorry if that bunches your undies.  If anyone gets challenges on ANYTHING posted, it's me.  Remember, if you don't like what I say skip the post or hit that "ignore" button sir or madame.

I threatened "payback"?  Maybe when I was equally threatened.  You would have to give specifics there.  I'd be happy to respond in kind to let the dear readers get a sense of the timing and placing of my "payback" threat.

Yes, I have gone through periods of pushing back on all those idiot new ISO posters, new posters that had crap to say.  So sue me.  Easy targets that you all said to yourselves "WTF" when you read the post.  Have you seen me even care about that in the last 6 months or more?  Believe me...I don't care about most of the weak crap posting on the board anymore.  Not worth the effort.  LE is all over this bitch so I don't even bother responding to the randoms anymore and I hope you all don't either.

Let's get into the meat and potatoes UTR...

I do have a mission.  Truth and fair play.  You obviously don't agree with those simple two guidelines that are taught to preschool children.  BTW...and for the record...I don't care about anyone's economics other than my own.  If anything I have ever said cost a provider a dime that's on HER.  Not me.  I've never posted saying don't see so and so other than what you can read in my reviews.  The clients out there on this board with half a brain can understand my other points.  That's those clients making an informed decision if I said something that resonated.  I've had plenty of concerns about the churn out the appointments beasts...if they took a hit good.  Time clients wised up a bit and took measures to distance themselves from the potential fallout.  Again, I didn't make that fallout, I'm just trying to preach to a tone deaf choir.

You can call them consistent attacks that got me banned from posting.  Yes, yes dear reading public I have been banned from posting for a week, a month, longer, repeat ad nauseum.  You all do understand TER admins do that because of people that report a post...just like I have on dozens of others.  Fair play and all...

I did create an account on another site when I was banned.  I did blast TER on that other site, because of the unfair playing ground.  I did plenty of bitch posts about TER and certain people at that time.  

Regarding me airing another hobbyist's civil identity, there is much more to the story.  I posted a humorous and coded set of posts on that other site, totally unrelated posts that when accumulated may give a certain super duper pooper scooper a reason to be pissy.  Posts were removed when old hag went balistic.

Funny thing is nobody would have gotten the inside joke until that old hag got her juices inflamed and blew it up for that hobbyist.  My bad to even go there, her bad for making it front page news.  She did the outing, not me.  I deleted the posts but the argument lives in infamy.  Again, if anyone wants to see the real story I have all those nasty dirty posts saved.  All the back and forth is well...insightful on how the cartels work.

From there, his highness and the old hag proceeded to threaten me.  A peace accord was attempted to be brokered via a third party until his highness' demands became ridiculous.  He threatened hiring IT people to trace my IP address and the like.  All came out as nothing when I told him to F off.  He and the old hag are still pissy.  So be it because they have multiple handles on this site and others and when you stand up to the devil there is nothing more you need to worry about.

Pillow talk, ah yes...you must be close to that UTR.  It's a bitch, huh?  I have the gift of gab.  F me right?

Yes, credibility is earned through honesty.  Look at me as a prime example.  Love me or hate me I can still screw just about anyone for money if I want to.  Long standing relationships are no issue with me dear alias poster.  When I get denied an appointment request I have no trouble filling it with a provider that wants to earn.

Final point, I've made a bunch o' mistakes over the few years I have been back on TER.  If you haven't done your research on Mr. Wong you may not know I was around back when the MN discussion board was created.  I'm not wet behind the ears.  I've reached out to both providers and hobbyists out there in the past that I have gone to war against and some have become friends.  Sometimes you need to keep 'em close, am I right?

You and anyone else can try to call me out all you want.  I can hold my own in the debate.  Your move sir or madame

Same old WK, different day.  What's your angle man?  Just another lame post from you Mr. Party Line.  As embedded as you sound you should know the truth or are you so cuck blind you just can't get your head out your bum?  After all, Jess does have a BF you know...and that ain't gonna change.  Happy family life whilst she was super provider pre-fallout.  Come on snots and give me something we can work with here so we can really talk, really discuss.  Otherwise you are just repeating, denying, denying...you're losing the debate.

If directed at my post  above yours Your desire for and grandiosity along with your scheduling partner  got you in this fucked up mess . Own it or shut the fuck up.  You thought this was a great business move right?   How'd  that work out?  Maybe daddy will have to go get job now rather than sitting making dinner for you.  You ruined yourself , but took others along the way . Shed a few more crocodile tears now.  

... we'll need the questions for it. Since you asked me to give you something, here's the questions.  You may go first, and after you've had your say on these questions, I'll give my answers.

1.  What is your opinion about cyber bullying?  Follow up:  if you are against cyber bullying, what have you done to discourage it, on TER and elsewhere?

2.  What is your opinion about people who claim to be advocates of "truth", yet their behavior demonstrates they're really more interested in attacking and inflicting pain on others?

3.  Tell us about the times you were given timeouts by TER.  What were the reasons?  How many of those timeouts were for personal attacks?

1.  I detest the term "bullyiing".  Are we still all 5 years old on this board?  I thought you had to be at least 18 to ride the rides advertised on this website.  To answer your question knots...I can care less about this "cyber bullying" thing you speak of.  If you can't handle the heat get out the kitchen.  That goes for both clients and providers out there.  Do I piss and moan and play the pity party card when I get needlessly trolled on the board?  No...I point out the double standard but I go about on my merry way.

2.  I don't get your point on this question.  So, I'll just say yes I still consider myself an advocate for the truth, fair play (see my comments below about banishment and moderation), and the like.  Have I and do I play the political game in our community?  Yes, sir, I do.  I figured that out many moons ago that this is the biggest little political arena out there.  I do however have everyone's best interest in mind, both client and provider, and I continue to do what I do.  Believe it or don't.  No sweat off my back either way.

3.  If I were to tell you the story behind each and every time out (and I like how you use the old hag's verbiage) we would be here, literally, for hours.  For the sake of efficiency I will summarize instead.  The reasons always came down to "complaints".  Which goes back to why aren't we all adults here.  Whiners do as they are predisposed to do and pick and choose which posts of mine, and others, get removed.  It leads to whiners sending admins complaints which leads to those "time outs."  What you characterize as personal attacks is me just posting what I think/feel/want to get across to others.  As much as I beg people that don't like my posts to stop clicking the link...they continue to read and try to censor via unfounded complaints and the usual BS.  In all honesty knots I could try to get enough of a posse together to report your posts and lodge enough complaints to sink your ship or anyone else for that matter if I wanted to.  It's the nature of the beast.  I don't do it because again...it's not fair.

My balls are in your court now knots.  I can already picture your response in my disappointed minds eye.  Go for it big guy.  Let me have it.  I'd be the last one to report a post on your nonsense as your nonsense is:

A) entertaining
B) I like to know what my detractors are up to.  I've told many people I am shocked when you all want to silence us "undesirable" characters when you should really want to know what we are doing, saying, thinking.  It's the old keep your friends close but those enemies closer.

Looking forward to your tits for the tat I just gave ya.

we're supposed to feel sorry for the feigned feelings of a person who has raked in countless stacks of bejamins off the bare backs of a revolving stable of handjob (that's just entry level) providers who are taking home less than half the donation after all overhead and fees are assessed.  Yes, yes, the disgruntled talk about the underground tax collectors.

... that you wondered why you responded to my post, even though you said you wanted to have a discussion/debate and to give you something to talk about.  As is often the case, you didn't really mean what you said.

1.  I'm not surprised you "can care less" (did you mean "couldn't care less"?) about cyber bulllying.  Cyber bullying is "the act of harming or harassing via information technology networks in a repeated and deliberate manner" (see link). It's not limited to children, and when done by adults against adults it's often called cyber stalking.   "Common tactics used by cyberstalkers are performed in public forums, social media or online information sites and are intended to threaten a victim's earnings, employment, reputation, or safety. Behaviors may include encouraging others to harass the victim and trying to affect a victim's online participation. Many cyberstalkers try to damage the reputation of their victim and turn other people against them." (see link)

Does any of that look familiar?  It should, to you and some of your buddies such as OTB and LYT.

I despise cyber bullying/stalking. What have I done about it?  I've helped my children deal with it when it happened to them, taking the matter to school officials when appropriate.  I've counseled boys and young men on bullying and cyber bullying as a leader in a national organization for youth.  And in recent years, I've taken action when I see people in online forums like this one being bullied/stalked, including reporting the stalking and/or calling the perpetrators out for their actions.

However, I'm not without some sympathy for those who engage in cyber bullying/stalking, since they may be ill and in need of professional help.  "Among factors that motivate stalkers are: envy, pathological obsession (professional or sexual), unemployment or failure with own job or life; intention to intimidate and cause others to feel inferior; the stalker is delusional and believes he/she "knows" the target; the stalker wants to instill fear in a person to justify his/her status; belief they can get away with it (anonymity). UK National Workplace Bullying Advice Line theorizes that bullies harass victims in order to make up for inadequacies in their own lives." (see link)

2.  I'm not surprised you didn't get my point on this question.  My opinion on this is, how can a person say with a straight face that he seeks the "truth" and is trying to help make people in this Minnesota hobbying community "safe" when almost all of his posts include attacks on others?  How is that "fair play"?  How does demanding publication of details of hobby-related actions in a public forum (this one) that's accessible to anyone help keep people safe?   It doesn't have anything to do with safety or fair play, of course.  The only purpose for those demands is to harass certain individuals (see #1, above).

Such posts are also hypocritical in the extreme.  The stated basis for these demands is the posting online of a personal account by a local provider, in which she described some of her experiences in the hobby.  But no names of providers or hobbyists were mentioned in that account--not even the hobby name of the provider. Yet you and others have demanded more details about what was in the article, including the provider's hobby name (and in at least one case, her real name), and details about the schedulers she worked with.  That is no search for truth, no fair play, and certainly no way to keep people safe.  What is it, then?  (See #1, above.)

3. I have received one time out in 4-1/2 years on TER.  It was due to a post that attempted to explain one of TER's unwritten rules.  To back my position, I included an excerpt from a message I'd received from Admin.  As I learned, that was a violation of a TER rule, and I got a short time out for it.  

I have never had a post removed because it was a personal attack.  The fact that you think that you don't make personal attacks, that your posts frequently go bye-bye and you get many time outs for merely posting what you want to get across to others, says a great deal about how you treat other people on an online forum.  (See #1, above.)

 
In closing... I see from a recent post of yours that you'll no longer be posting much here, just in ISO threads etc., so I guess this is farewell.  If you'd like to drop us a note later, let us know where you're hanging out online (so we can warn them), that would be great.  I'll assume that anyone posting from now on under your handle could be a fraud and thus should be ignored.  Bye now!

Yawn....Zzzzzzzzzzzzz.

Sorry but you're boring us.

is it's all a matter of perspective.  Your very very wordy analysis of me is one side of the coin.  All your accusations could be leveled back at you and the object of your white knightedness, sir.

A few response items:

1.  I can care less about what your children have gone through.  In fact you mentioning your children in an adult forum is a boner killer.  Thanks.
2.  I suspect you are one of those run and cry to TER admin people.  Not a shocking development.  Get a life and quit trying to play God.  As it's been said if you don't generally like my posts then skip over them.  That's where the fair play comes in guy.  Why bother reporting a post when you could just hit the ignore button.  Yes, I could opt to play the same game and get a butt load of people to report your posts too...but I'd rather you post so I can keep an eye on ya.  It's best to let everyone talk...um it is a discussion board, right?
3.  Every personality disorder trait you listed about those cyber bullies could be leveled at you, the other WK's and certain providers you feel the need to protect.  Go to your therapist and hash it out with him or her what your issues are.  Don't try to psycho-anal-ize me.
4.  Good for you you haven't received more than one time out.  Not surprising since you just WK anyone with a pulse.  You don't like me.  So what?  Quit fixating on me and move on to someone that cares.  You can't make an omlette without breaking a few eggs.  Your path ain't my path.  If you care to keep up with things you'd see I respond more to the crap thrown at me vs just throwing crap to see what sticks.  I don't just troll for the sake of trolling which differentiates me from all of you WK's.
5.  Yep, the back channel is a better route for me when it comes to important issues.  I'll be on the board, both posting when and how I want as well as just watching.  You can't control that and it hurts you and plenty of others.  Tough titty.  Quit cyber stalking me and just hit that ignore button...will you hypocrite?