If you actually have a permit to carry, I think we all need a safe space.
In Minnesota CCW (Concealed carry weapon) is legal. But I've never carried one to a visit because I figure it might scare the provider. How do providers feel about someone who is packin' (and also, someone who is carrying a weapon?
Honestly, I find it hard to believe someone with a permit would even consider such a thing let alone pose the question here. To me that's a topic way too serious for this board..... some things just dont need to be discussed. And the fact someone who claims to have a permit even would consider such a thing disturbs me.
Minnesota allows either open or concealed carry.
Yes, you are correct in your statement.
Keeping in mind, I am not stating a judgement here, however, if you were to decide to open carry, has anyone considered the possible reactions of others ?
It would be certain to attract unwanted attention to the armed person, and it may be a more wise
decision, to conceal and carry.
On the subject of showing up at an appointment ? I am well aware, that many providers would feel threatened or uncomfortable with someone concealing and carrying a firearm.
If someone feels the need to conceal and carry, to an appointment, I suggest that you secure the weapon in your vehicle, and then go discharge your load with the provider.
And finally, In Minnesota, a business that prohibits conceal and carry, is required to post signs,
stating that firearms are not permitted on the premises.
I wonder how many providers are following the requirement ? 
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And finally, In Minnesota, a business that prohibits conceal and carry, is required to post signs,
stating that firearms are not permitted on the premises.
I wonder how many providers are following the requirement ?
LOL I thought the requirement is, post a sign. If I am wrong, I stand corrected.
If it is as you have stated, and just playing devils advocate with this question.
Picture this, a client shows up to an appointment armed.
In absence of a posted sign, the provider instead asks the client to leave.
I wonder how many providers would actually ask a client to leave ? and forsake getting the Bens
in the process. :
Ask the guy to leave? Forsake Ben? None, zero, nada, zilch, zippo, nil...
If it is as you have stated, and just playing devils advocate with this question.
Picture this, a client shows up to an appointment armed.
In absence of a posted sign, the provider instead asks the client to leave.
I wonder how many providers would actually ask a client to leave ? and forsake getting the Bens
in the process.
Unless the provider knows you, I'm sure the first thought will be LE. But beyond that, why would you bring your firearm into a situation where you know you will not have control of it at all times? What is the point? Trying to impress someone? That is just plain irresponsible. Unless the provider knows in advance and is comfortable AND has a safe (which is unlikely) I'd say just leave it at home.
In the Marine Corps, one of the things we used to sing/chant . .... this is my rifle, this is my gun (grab crotch) . This one's for killing, this one's for fun. Metaphorically, forget the rifle and bring your gun.
Only because I knew she would be ok with it.
Keep in mind that if you happen to get caught doing anything illegal, even with a CC permit, having a handgun on your person may increase any penalties.
Stay safe
I had a conversation with a provider once about weapons. She said she'd just been robbed the night before. I wondered if I should carry while in her neighborhood but she said it had happened elsewhere. Anyhow we started discussion what sort of gun she should get.
I have noticed that providers end up being more mature conversationalists than many of the so-called men on this forum. It kind of makes me ashamed for my gender.
Keep in mind that if you happen to get caught doing anything illegal, even with a CC permit, having a handgun on your person may increase any penalties.
Stay safe
...Some years ago I set up an outcall session with a provider that advertised in one of the entertainment mags. When she came to my door I let her in & she drew a revolver from her purse & threatened to shoot me if I didn't give her all my money. More guns on the street equals more dead people it's that simple!
Check with a lawyer as to what happens to a crime if the person committing the crime is legally carrying a weapon.
I know a few ladies that might not book a session with you just for asking her that question let alone bringing it with you. You most likely would scare the bejesus out of most of the ladies!
Probably look at it as if you were walking into a public school.
Rather than ask you why ? or question the motive behind your curiosity of the subject.
I will spell out the penalty for such an action, if you were found to be in possession of a firearm
during the commission of a crime. there would be the enhanced charge of possession of a firearm
during the commission of a crime, and thus your misdemeanor, become an automatic felony, which would likely mean that, the individual who is arrested and charged, would spend some time in lockup.
That sir, is why it is a really bad idea to ponder the thought of taking along your ankle piece
to an appointment.
Please do not take this the wrong way. I appreciate your passion, and you are going in the right direction. But if the only crime charged is misdemeanor prostitution (gross misdemeanor too) where both parties agreed to engage in an illegal act, the firearm is not part of the commission. (Think robbery, assault, burglary, drug deal, etc., where the weapon could be used to carry out the crime.) Therefore there would be no increased penalty. However, the misdemeanor conviction would likely result in the permit being rescinded.... I think for minimum of three years...but could be wrong. Remember that for purposes of prostitution, hotels / motels are considered public places, and prostitution in a public place is a gross misdemeanor.
Every circumstance is different, and this is not legal advice. If you have a permit, you have been through training and classes. Think of the risk factors. Is it worth it? Safety is the utmost importance. Better safe than sad and sorry.
Safety is leaving the gun at home or in your car. Taking it in to see a provider goes way beyond foolish.
The fact that the OP is even asking this tells a lot about him.
Why not go to a board where all they talk about is taking their guns with them everywhere they go. Here we should be talking pussy, tits, and sex.
Every circumstance is different, and this is not legal advice. If you have a permit, you have been through training and classes. Think of the risk factors. Is it worth it? Safety is the utmost importance. Better safe than sad and sorry.
Would bring a gun to a session. It serves no "real purpose" as I was told recently.
I also agree that this topic should not be discussed here. TER has a political board and they also have a legal board among other various boards. You should discuss it in legal and get a fresh perspective.
Sorry I triggered you. I hope you have a safe space and a fainting couch handy. Does anyone have some smelling salts???
If you actually have a permit to carry, I think we all need a safe space.
Taking a gun in to see a provider. But then I guess you must be in some shady neighborhoods looking for some eh! Grow some balls and live a little. Better yet, see the wrong chick and watch her take your little toy gun off you and pop your ass. Now that would truly be a happy ending.
Obviously it is no longer concealed when you have to take your cloths off. Plus regardless where on your body you carry it, anyone up close and intimate is going to feel something hard -- and not that other hard thing.
Where should one carry -- the answer is -- where one doesn't expect to need it. If you expect to need a weapon someplace, you shouldn't go there
No way you have a permit and write with such recklessness. Whom are you trying to impress?
The point is not whether or not the weapon is concealed.... it is that you have left it in an insecure location. You no longer control it. Why are you even discussing this further and making light of it? I call BS.
If you're concerned about your safety going to visit a provider, you probably need to re-think whom you are seeing.
This would not apply in a residence with just two adults. MN does have a law which prohibits leaving a weapon where a child under 18 my easily access it. I don't believe it has ever been enforced, though.
But it really doesn't apply to adults at all
In this case, do you KNOW the provider? If so, then why the need?
I'm well-versed with the laws. Thank you.
Nothing else to say except to repeat everything I've written above.
Apparently you aren't well versed in the law.
There are a couple misconceptions about armed self-defense.
First, you don't need a CCW permit to protect yourself in your own home (see DC v. Heller 2008). CCW is just about how you convey the weapon in public. If you have your weapon encased you can transport it anywhere without a CCW permit.
In Minnesota we have general carry permits, meaning we can either carry open or concealed. I recommend concealed for various reasons. But you can walk around in public with your six shooter strapped to your leg if you wish.
Finally, I highly recommend providers obtain carry permits and arm themselves during business hours.
For those providers who've never fired a gun, I'd be happy to take you to a range (OTC, of course, but I'll pay the range fee and let you use my weapon.) Have to be sometime after the new year, though.
As they say, it is better to be judged by 12 than to be carried by six.
I'm well-versed with the laws.
What a troll. I've forgotten more about the law than you'll ever know. Nothing you wrote is new. You are the one who started this thread by calling it "CCW" which is totally incorrect. So right from the start you provided misinformation. You are the one who claims to have a permit, you recommend carrying concealed, and offered to take women to the range, but you asked one of the dumbest questions ANYONE with a permit and half a brain could ask. People with permits and people who actually carry wouldn't even ask such a moronic question.
Why did you cite the Hellen decision? That's re: what's referred to as the Castle Doctrine and has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with permit to carry outside the home, which is what your OP is about. Why not cite a case involving a carry permit, Perry Mason?
Stirring up trouble. Maybe has a job as a mall cop and is a wannabe without a gun.
The point is not whether or not the weapon is concealed.... it is that you have left it in an insecure location. You no longer control it. Why are you even discussing this further and making light of it? I call BS.
If you're concerned about your safety going to visit a provider, you probably need to re-think whom you are seeing.
I find it interesting that, with all of the posts and all of the discussions, not one lady has chimed in
Most guys don't want to see a provider with guns lying around. It's one thing to know how to shoot, it's quite another to deal with a BSC with a gun.
What a pussy you are. You need a gun to feel brave peewee?😗
Where should one carry -- the answer is -- where one doesn't expect to need it. If you expect to need a weapon someplace, you shouldn't go there.
I would certainly feel more secure carrying a weapon in a strange neighborhood at night than if not. But you make my point -- providers, having typically female builds that are slighter than the average male, would benefit from an equalizer such as a concealed handgun.
Where should one carry -- the answer is -- where one doesn't expect to need it. If you expect to need a weapon someplace, you shouldn't go there.
Do you even know the statistics on how many people could hit a target from 10 feet away let alone a moving target?
I suppose all these providers would become marksmen like you, sharpshooter Lester the molester from the prairie?
Yeah right. That's if they could even get to their gun in time. Dream on.
I can see it now. Peewee trying to fuck a provider and someone breaks into her incall. You pull out, which is almost instantaneous due to your size, and stumble across to your gun. The burglar or rapist sees you and is ROTFLHAO. You pick up your little "peewee", take aim (1 or 2 hands yet TBD), fire off a few shots, and miss.
The burglar/rapist gets up, knocks you on your ass, and looks at your provider while sprouting a real hard on. She beckons him over and gives him a freebie. You wake up an hour later in the gutter naked with only your 'gun', the Marine version.
This is too funny to imagine. Where is TwinCitiesGuy with a link when you need him?
Where should one carry -- the answer is -- where one doesn't expect to need it. If you expect to need a weapon someplace, you shouldn't go there.
Can't draw worth a shit. Hoping TCGuy pops in with a good video. Might be hard to find but if anyone can...
Where's the hobby guy video???
I miss is
Bad
It's probably difficult to find a video of Peewee and his little 6-shooter strapped to his thigh. Maybe one of him lying in the gutter though?😗
You darn sure best pray you are fully dressed when I discover it & send you flying!!! out the door!
Best thing a provider has said all day!
I think all of you should send him packing anyway. Or don't even schedule with him would be safer. Obviously needs mental help.
I recommend all providers obtain CCW permits and arm themselves.
Because why????
It's her place and she doesn't want someone she doesn't really know to have a gun in her place. Or maybe she just doesn't want any guns around. Doesn't matter, though, does it? Her place. Her rules. If she says no Greek or no CIM, do you argue or ask why? Should be no different.
To prove your ignorance on this topic. Why would you recommend all providers carry? Why would you recommend someone to do something they are not comfortable doing? Especially when the consequences can be lethal?
How about keeping your guns, thoughts, and recommendations to yourself?
Those of us who REALLY have a permit will decide when and where to carry, and we won't need to ask or advertise. In fact, you'll never know.
A few observations here, I have personally known of 3 providers who did carry a concealed weapon.
of the 3 total, 2 of those providers were legal. and the third, I am unaware of status. The fact is, one of the three is still an active member, and has profiles and ads listed on the various sites to this day. And No I will not divulge her identity.
So let me take and reverse the original question, How would a gent feel about encountering a provider, who has armed herself with a firearm, and carries it unseen to an appointment ?
Also, to those who have stated a negative opinion with regard to showing up to an appointment with a concealed weapon. What about a provider showing up to an outcall, and the gent has a "concealed firearm" that the provider is unaware of.
If I encounter an armed provider but do not see the weapon, how would I know she had one? (Do you mean she said she was carrying but didn't show it?) If I knew the woman from a previous meeting and for some reason we had talked about this topic and I knew she had a permit, I would not be bothered.
If a provider shows up at an outcall and the guy has a concealed firearm she is unaware of.... how would she know? But in an outcall situation, if it's in the guy's house, it's not really a concealed weapon. It's just his gun in his house. And my guess is that women who do out calls have frequently gone into homes (or hotels) where there is a gun and never know it. And that is the way it should be.
Not trying to ge a smart ass with your question, but I am not sure what you're asking, and I don't want to assume anything. Clarify, and I'll answer.
Bottom line for me with the whole carry/not carry topic is this: it's something that doesn't need to be discussed. If one feels inclined to get the permit, s/he can decide when and where to carry. Do it or don't do it. But don't discuss. I suppose don't ask don't tell is best.... perhaps just don't be seen. Isn't that the idea of being concealed? No one knows?
Okay, I admit, my post has some baited questions and statements. Thanks for posting your thoughts, as your reply is spot on, How is one to know ? and this is the point exactly.
It is a don't ask, and don't tell. And as you already know, the intent is one of secrecy, because if a potential adversary were to know that you were armed, then the element of surprise is lost.
As for the question, is the subject better off left undiscussed ? that view is subjective, to the individual
I'm fine with it as I plan to strip her naked and keep her occupied to her satisfaction as well as mine. This way she won't be shooting me in the back as I leave, unlike peewee Lester.
If you feel strongly about it, you might consider putting it in your ads as a show stopper. There are a quarter million CCW holders in Minnesota, and it is perfectly legal. So you might end up confronting this very situation if you don't forewarn.
Obviously by your wording You want to be told "OH that's so Hot... I Love a man that's packin'."
The pop psychologist in me says your posting and fantasy is rooted in low self esteem, perhaps stemming from performance issues, but I'm not a psychologist and I don't want to appear to be too judgmental.
Go ahead and be judgemental. The OP is a moron.
The pop psychologist in me says your posting and fantasy is rooted in low self esteem, perhaps stemming from performance issues, but I'm not a psychologist and I don't want to appear to be too judgmental.
Most gun ranges in the cities offer required classes to obtain a ccw permit. Typically a six hour class that costs $150. Then the MN permit application costs another $100. And, of course, the purchase of the weapon can be hundreds of dollars.
Why would a provider do this when many can't even afford VIP here?
You must think the Twin Cities is the old Wild West or something. I guess you're worried about all the anti-Trump protests escalating into violence? And the boy scout in you wants to be prepared...
I "dabble" in this hobby for extra fun. If you are bringing a firearm or any weapon, I don't want anything to do with you or anyone you see.
Is this hobby really this bad? I have only been around a year, but the thought of bringing a weapon bothers me, and anyone who has "whitelisted" you, or has seen you...I won't see them.
I have to much to lose, but I guess "thank you"...? Because anyone who you've seen or vouches/Whitelists you...I will be SURE to stay away from!