it is tough when you live 150 miles away from the twin cities and all of the elite providers have such tough standards as for as screening. i can understand the need for screening but some of the providers are asking for too much. i figure if you have been a member of TER and have submitted enough reviews that should count for something. for me to even get to the twin cities and not have something set up in advance is tough as us regular joe's have too settle for the low end providers  because $300.00 for one hour with an elite provider is a big chunk of some peoples paycheck. nothing wrong with low end providers but it would be nice to see a elite provider once an while. how about it elite providers maybe a PRICE WAR to drum up some new business. the reason i am posting this is because i am planning to come to the twin cities tommorrow. any takers from the elite providers? thanks for listening......

And you need to look for a newbie friendly provider.  these ladies need to make sure they know who they are dealing with. The elite providers in the cities are worth every penny they charge  in regards to services and safety.  Trust me...the screening and price are worth it!! Happy hobbying!

Preferred 411 and Date Check can both help you with screening. They'll verify you and there are enough ladies in town who will see a new member of one of those sites - and they can do same day verification. As to price - with the rare exception, it's been worth every penny I've spent. I'd spend it again...and in fact, seem to spend it pretty regularly.

Assholes like you are the biggest problem with this industry.  I understand that there is no chance that you will listen to my words after opening with such an aggressive statement, but right now I'm not in the mood to cater to your small mind.  Rather, this post is intended for those with some level of compassion and humanity.

You do not have the right to fuck whomever you want.  Once more for emphasis (read it slowly because I know it's a difficult concept for you): You do not have the right to fuck whomever you want.  The women that agree to let you fuck them do so because they decide it is in their best interest.  

If you go after a civvie, you need to bring your game face and convince her that she will get something out of it.  There are many different angles and the best way to succeed is to play to whatever strong suits you have available.  Creativity, enthusiasm, and authenticity are your best cards.

If you hire a professional, money is your card.  That's it.  She's selling it because she wants to get paid.  There is no other reason.  If you think there is a single provider that is motivated by anything other than money, then you are either delusional or know nothing about women.  Here's a fact that might help you find a clue; every single provider could get laid tonight, for free, with a man that is significantly more attractive than your average patron.  All she needs to do is go to a bar alone and say "yes" when she gets hit on.  It's that easy.

This may seem like a side note, but it is a free pearl of wisdom for the pigs (and few gems) reading this: every man in the bar hitting on that girl would rate her a 10.  She may or may not be a 10, but if you're smart and you want to fuck a civvie then you tell her she's a 10.  You can get laid for free if you know how to make a woman feel hot, but if you're such an asshole that you feel compelled to rate most hot women a 7 then you should get used to paying for it.  

Ultimately, providers aren't known for their high levels of education.  You might have an MBA while she only recently got her GED, but she knows something about supply and demand that seems to evade you.  Elite providers don't need your $300.  Furthermore, they don't give a shit if that's a lot of money for you.  It is completely asinine for you to assume that they need to drum up new business at all and your shitty sense of entitlement is a great strategy for never getting a response from a quality girl.  

I know for a fact that a pretty face with a single ad on backpage and no reviews will get hundreds of responses over several weeks.  Don't believe me?  Try it.  Post a fake ad.  You will be shocked by the sheer quantity of emails that pour in.  Now I can't say how much interest an elite provider might get, but I'm pretty sure that your suggestion that they start a PRICE WAR to win your business isn't going to resonate with them.

Aside from venting, my point is that we should have some respect for the providers that are willing to sell what we can't get for free.  We should also not kid ourselves into thinking that $300 makes us special.  Thousands of men have $300 and are willing to spend it on a beautiful woman.  Pussy is a scarce resource in this world and it should always be an honor to get it, whether paid for or not.

I've never met or talked to him, but I'm calling out Vorlon as tbe most respected, respectful, and insightful member of this board.  If he openly disagrees with anything I've said (aside from my crass manner), then I recant it.  TER is a playground governed by bullies, but if the best of us use our influence to keep the shitheads inline then there will be more pussy available for us all.  Seriously, guys.  Isn't that what we're in it for?  This hobby is supposed to be fun.  Fucking a beautiful woman is supposed to be fun.

Again with this?
Find one that suits your income level. There are plenty!
There's a few that run special discounts as well as some ladies that only need a few things like provider references or better yet join a verification site. It's worth it IMO.
As far as rates, most ladies don't see a bunch of appointments all day long. You'd ought to realize they're low volume.
Even at that, they really don't need your money because someone else will pay it & then some.
Do you see me going into a store haggling to buy Prada for target prices ? No. Because that would be rude.

You know what's a big chunk of my paycheck?(I'm sure many ladies agree), sifting out creeps & the ones that try to tell me how to run my business by giving unsolicited & useless advice.
On top of the numerous people that refuse to be screened &
the ones that try to get on my bad side by being utterly mean to me without good reason because I screen.
You also have to take into account the effort & time it takes a lady to get ready, gussy up for you so you can have an awesome time. Idk what you think we do but I'm pretty sure you're way off. Good luck!  Xoxo V.

I do agree with the basic arguments as presented. The hobby is not a charitable organization. The standard donation rates for the better providers' time really is not that much money when you consider what we get in exchange. Many of us could never hope to see such beautiful women on our own merits. Many of us simply cannot afford the time to maintain a personal relationship with more than one woman.

The personal time and attention of a woman is a scarce resource. That of a man is not. Therefore, if we men want it, we have to pay for it; one way or another. With our wives, we pay for it with time, attention, money, friendship, assistance and emotional support. With providers, we pay for it with money and (properly) the respect due to a business associate. That old saw about "the best things in life are free" is utter bullshit. The best things in life are so valuable that money isn't good enough to pay for them. Another person's time and personal space is one of those things money shouldn't be good enough to pay for. However, we don't live in a perfect world (far from it).

So, ja, "price war?" Give me a break. The only reason the price is currently so low is that the middle class is doing so bad. If it was doing better, the price would be a lot higher, and rightfully so.

You posted this the evening before you were visiting...  and you wanted a price war, slack screening, and ladies fighting over your time? Sorry sweetheart, 150 miles is not ridiculously far, and if you saw less low end providers you could see a elite provider instead (IE You see 2 low ends a month at 150, you could see one elite at 300!)

Some of us have more than our GEDs (and even those who don't!) and have things running the way we want because that is how we want it. If you want a price war, that is more likely to happen by calling 5 girls on BP and saying that the other girl said she'd do it cheaper. Like others have said, if you want low prices you will have to settle... some elite providers run specials as low as 250, it just takes some research (can't usually be pulled together the evening before).

I am happy to take a plethora of reviews but would also ask to verify via references. You have 21 reviews but no on will give you a reference? This may be because the majority seems to be from backpage... they may be sick, dead, or out of business already. Your review may be fake! Ask someone you have seen regularly if they would be ok with giving you a reference. If you don't have anyone to do this with (someone you've seen more than twice) then maybe you ought to.

So many factors... I can't fit them all in before class. Best of luck to you and consider what I've suggested... it may help you in the future.

I don't have a lot of time to respond to this but calling the OP an asshole is ridiculous. Just as in any business situation he has the right to ask for a better deal. I too can sympathize with being a long ways from the cities.

Hey MBD, what happened you your "respect for all attitude"?  

http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion_boards/viewmsg.asp?MessageID=164381&boardID=21&page=#164381

And for what it is worth, when you debate an issue, it is never a good idea to START with name calling.  

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I have clients that fly in from other states even other countries to see me & have no problem with my rates or screening so there's that .
You can ask for a better deal but good luck getting a reply or the same service. Idk at my regular job I'd find a new job & quit if my boss offered me 1/2 my salary out of the blue & expected me to sit there for 12 hrs like I usually do.
You get what you pay for.

I will never complain about 300 for an elite providers. these ladies are incredible and thats why they are elite. They work damn hard for what they get. You know not all of us are incredible attractive studs but they make us feel that way.

This not an easy business. These ladies go to great lengths to keep themselves up and supply us with the experience we want. They incure a lot of expenses, well furnished safe incalls are not cheap. Numerous outfits for our benefit are not cheap. They have outside lives but go out of their way to accomadate us. These are not guaranteed 40 hour jobs. They don't have health insurance benefits. They don't get paid vacation time.  There ARE great LE and heath concerns.

They do supply us wonderful safe sancuturary from the pressures and concerns of OUR outside lives and I cannot thank them enough. Is 300 or more a lot? Sure it is but I can never put a price tag on what my "special friend" provides for me and I can never thank her enough!

There are plenty of great providers for less than $300.    
 
Snobby attitudes do not equate to "elite" either.

The OP was just trying to get ladies to fight over him at the last minute for less than their rate..not even bothering to do his own research to see for himself that there are plenty of specials going on from lots of beautiful & reputable ladies.
That is just not nice . " Price war" lol  Okayyyy....

Thank you for reminding me that I wrote that.  It's obviously far past the time when I should have left the nightmare of this industry behind me.  It makes me sick to my stomach to know how horrible the bad apples in this industry can be to some of the most vulnerable and desperate people in our society.  

I hope I have the strength to never come back.  

No where have I ever said that great providers charge this or this, and did not put myself in the "elite" category at all. The OP used lowend or elite and I used those words to help him understand a little further.
With his terminology of elite charging $300, to him perhaps I am an elite provider!  Sheesh...

I think providers can charge whatever they want, provide what they want, and see who they want, they can be great or they can be horrible, and they can be naughty or nice since we're at it... I just know I do it my way.

Low end does not mean "bad provider", to me it means lower end of the price spectrum.
Elite means more expensive, & I can agree that snobby attitude does not equate to "elite".

and I've never had any problems.  P411 is a godsend.  I've never had one single problem with any of the lovely ladies.  I just don't understand not investing in a verification site.  I've never been turned away, and not one asked for any pertinent personal information.

So I doubt it will work here.  I'd like to be driving a brand new Camaro, but I drive a Ford Edge.  LOL.  It's just the way things work out.  

Unfortunately, I just don't think there are going to be ladies lining up to take one for your team.  That stuff they said about supply and demand in college is largely true.

Civility is difficult at times. We all have our moments of weakness. Certainly, injustice can tax our resolve to be courteous more than most.

You're actually trying to slut-shame a high-end escort into sleeping with you?

Wish I could meet you when you're in town - love to see the truck you drive to carry your massive ball sack.

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Pauper

gotten tougher for you.

I dont think Im going to sugar coat my response to this..

First of all, they are not tough standards for screening..
Name, email address, contact number, 2 provider references, or Verification Site ID, or verifiable work reference..

You should feel more comfortable giving that information to a well reviewed provider who you would consider "Elite" . I understand the nervousness about giving personal info out, and having a P411 Account , Date-Check or RS2K , can help alleviate some of that anxiety. But I work as a PA, Screener, Scheduler as well as a Provider, and Good Providers, of which there are many, are not in the habit of using your personal info against you, if they were, they WOULD NOT BE IN BUSINESS.. specifically because of sites like this that help identify cons, and ripoffs..
Yes, I am aware that there is a certain rogue element that exists that takes your info and uses it against you, but as soon as they are identified they are put out of business,,
These "Elite" Providers, especially ones that are well reviewed, they are not in the business of taking  your information and using it for nefarious purposes.  Use some common sense.
If making money is what our bottom line is, then what do we gain by using your info against you?

You know a waiter/ress at a restaurant you hand your check or credit card to is just as much of a risk as giving basic identifying info to a Provider?
And you hand them your credit card info or banking info when you pay with check or credit.

And if you want to make screening on yourself easier, then set yourself up with P411 or Date-Check.
TER is not a verification site, you were not screened prior to setting up your account with TER.
Its your choice who you want to see, and dont want to see, just as it is a Provider's choice to screen or not to screen, and if you dont want to follow those protocols you can find girls who will be happy to take your money without being screened.

We've heard this argument over and over, and its not going to change anything, there will be providers who screen and there will be providers who dont screen.  Get Over IT

I find your statement completely asinine.. In that you think "Elite" Providers or any good provider need to have a price war to drum up new business. Go take a look at their reviews, do you think they need your business?

What a horrible approach you took if you wanted to see someone in the cities..
You could have just posted an ISO with what you were looking for and your price point  ..  
There are excellent providers of whom would have worked with within your perimeters..
But the statement you made put alot of people off, because you think that providers need to fight for your business,, when in fact they dont.

Go back to the drawing board pal , you are barking up the wrong tree..

No, I don't disagree with the points you have made although I do think many providers, just like other professionals, are motivated by more than just money although they do have every right to expect to be paid, just like other professionals.

I do believe, and this applies to the OP as well, that a more diplomatic approach works better; people seldom react well when people get defensive, they seldom listen to your message.

As far as the OP goes, hopefully his post was written out of frustration.  Membership in P411 or something similar can help.  So can getting pre-screened if he doesn't know much in advance when he can get to town.  Beyond, well some providers might be willing to work with you on different forms of verification if asked nicely.  Do I consider some screening practices excessive?  Yes.  I don't call those ladies; I call someone else I can work with.  As far as rates go, no one is going to start a "price war" just because some guys don't like the rates some providers charge.  Rates may go down if a provider isn't getting as many appointments as they want.  Our choice as hobbyists is to not call, email, etc. if a given provider's rate is more than we are willing to pay.  As I see it, the OP can see providers with lower rates and/or see providers with higher rates less often and/or look for specials.

+1 and I do not consider myself an "elite" provider but I do deliver as promised & I don't over charge considering what lovely gentlemen are paying for in the massage realm but that's a whole other thread.  Xoxo V.

First $300 is about average for a good provider.  A few quality providers may charge less but most will want at least $300.  BP girls will charge less, but are not likely to receive very good service either.  
Distance is not an issue.  I travel farther than you, and have never had an issue with making appointments with a quality provider ahead of time.  
As for the "price war"?  The local providers get the amount of business they want at their current rates.  So they are not likely to offer lower rates to anyone.  

You need to choose whether the hobby is for you or not!

What a gross overreaction to a poorly worded original post. The old guy was just lamenting about having to drive a long way and not being able to afford some of the pricier girls. He should have left out "price war" and politely asked if anyone was having any specials.

Accept they are in a more vulnerable position than you.  I'd say pay the penny and sign up with P411.  It works.

When I'm seeing stars and walking out with a shit eating grin, you were as elite as anyone.  You're also so good at massage, that I have been tempted to ask you to limit the hour to that.  Alas, I'm weak (a horny old man) and I just don't bring myself to do that.

1. The OP raised the same issue in his last post (which was back in June, link below).  It caused a lengthy thread back then too.  For me it boils down to this:  This Hobby is just that, a HOBBY, one where we  use discretionary income and have fun.  Some can afford it, others can't, but please don't come on this board and insult the ladies and the rest of us who are willing, no, make that happy, to pay the going rate to see top level women.  If you can't afford it, that's a personal problem I really don't care about.  Several posters gave the OP advice regarding making his dollars count, he should take that advice and stop coming on the board to bitch about not having enough money to hobby.  Note to the OP, most of here have worked long and fkn hard to earn what we have.
2. A lady being a top tier provider does not make her a snob, quite the opposite actually.  The best providers are the ones that make the fantasy so exquisite for us guys, they are in the fantasy fulfillment business and they diligently prepare and make every effort to satisfy us.  That is not being a snob.  They also earn every dime for the wonderful service they provide.  
3. A ladies true self worth is not at issue here, that is kind of a WTF issue to me.  We are talking about the compensation for the service they offer us, not what their self worth is.  Ladies who charge a higher rate but deliver stellar service are  worth it because of their performance, not their self worth.
4. Mnbeerdrinker had a very strange reference in his last post as if the Hobby is some kind of horrible pursuit and that some here take advantage of the least and most vulnerable.  Another WTF moment.  I suppose he may mean those that abuse low level providers, but his comments bear no resemblance to my experience in seeing great woman who are well adjusted and seem to enjoy their work.  I know there are bottom feeders, but frankly they don't hang out on TER to my knowledge. Why he feels he can't bear it here on the board is a mystery to me.

My 2 cents on this cold night.

Awww thx ! I'm just a humble gal. Always will be.
Anyway I do hope he figures himself out & finds someone.
I'm still lol at the price war comment. Xoxo V. I just couldn't imagine ladies fighting over ONE dude auction style as if its the last hobbyist on earth. I'm like ; You're NOT Christmas cake dahling. There's plenty go around more than once.

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