I didn't read anywhere that anyone called the admin a liar. The only place I saw that term used was in your reply. See? I prove this point over and over. And what else did you do? Try to get the admin on your side with that comment. His comment was posted, so apparently it worked out OK for him. However, now that you mention it, and I am NOT calling anyone a liar or even deceitful, but I would like to see the empirical data to back up the 90/10 claim. It's easy to stick one's finger in the air to see which way the wind is blowing. But let the hard data back up claims. And then allow for proper rebuttal. But I'd rather not even go down that road. Too much fun reading the posts in here. 
Just wondering if TER is under new management? Been on her for few years, but never seen so many force closed. I say what I want and as truthfully as I know it. If TER ever bans me, the economic impact on the Bloomington hos will be devastated and their children will go hungry. Feed My Starving Children will have to divert a shipment or two to Bloomington instead of going to Africa
We've always been vocal. So maybe it's the argumentative side coming out more recently that's causing the increase in closures.
I personally can't say much about the Bloomington economy these days but I do see lots of smiling mamas and well-fed kids there, especially among the asian and white ladies.
To increase profit margin to WK and thin skinned . Any body have a fog machine for sale they will be needing a new one soon im sure. Old ones been worked wayyyyy to hard
... involving the majority of the closed threads on the last two pages. Can you find it?
You replied?
You complained to TER?
They talked about sex?
Didn't talk about sex?
They were long?
TER closed them for no reason?
Those threads served no real purpose?
I give up but I'm sure you'll tell all of us. Thanks.
A few guys with real balls tell it like it is on the board. Thin-skinned, politically correct WKs and their damsels protest to TER behind the scenes. Pretty easy to see that?
Damn, can't see the forest for the trees.
Yeah, that was my first thought, 2nd thought, 3rd...last, and only thought.
But I wanted to keep an open mind and decided to give Knots the benefit of the doubt.
You're legends! (in your own minds.)
Ever called you a legend. And if I told you what you are, you'd cry like a baby to TER and beg to ban me and remove the thread. Do you have a safe space at home where you can go after you read the TER board?
Talk about content and what us being written..... you make it a personal attack by directing your pitiful attempt at insult to us personally. So who is really the ttoll? I am not bothered though. I will not cry to TER. In fact, I would beg them to keep it because it shows who you are. Just remember this in the future . .... I can play that game too. Can you handle it?
to make it happen.
Is the only pattern we'll see.
He'll never reply so we have to answer his questions for the audience.
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the first paragraph as gospel when it is very subjective. You see, vorlon, when discretion is involved, so is subjectivity. It's not black and white.
BUT... you seem to have completely overlooked the second paragraph. Perhaps you should read and re-read that one a few times.
As to the third paragraph. I've been called names many times by WKs. Had my name intentionally misspelled, been called a troll and worse. But never once did I feel the need to go to TER and cry.
You see, YOU think YOU and other WKs should be sole arbiters of this board. You think ONLY YOU know what should and shouldn't be discussed and know how it should be discussed. TER has moderators, and obviously they don't agree with your assessment that many. many more threads should be removed. That is just you wishing for censorship. The judges (TER) have ruled against you. You are wrong. Get over it. The very fact that they have not removed all the threads you want them to is proof.
So who is the PITA? And there YOU go again.... calling people with differing points of view names. (You violated paragraph 3.) Typical tactic. But we will not cry foul. Instead, we will silently rejoice knowing we have been vindicated by the very rules you espouse but break.
What we've been saying all along.
I figured you'd likely be first to reply.
Yes, I did read paragraph 2 several times. I also read paragraphs 3 & 4 several times. Did you? Perhaps you should consider taking them to heart regardless of what TER does.
I find it interesting how often you bring up the matter of being called names when it is practically a staple of your posts. Do you really think you should be able to dish it out and but not take any return fire? I prefer not to call people names but in this case it's practically unavoidable given how often your clique does so.
What I think is that the board works a lot better when a few people don't regularly turn threads into trainwrecks. What I think is that we didn't have these issues with posts and threads being removed or locked until these same few people showed up. In view of that, proclaiming that TER supports your actions is premature at best.
You are right about one thing. I strongly believe in discussing matters in a civil fashion. Why don't you?
You can revel in your so-called victory but when I look at the board, I see a board largely turned into a wasteland
Nothing in your reply is new, informative, or unexpected. Funny how you ask me if I've considered taking them to heart. Merely by you writing that in your reply demonstrates that you really don't get it. To you, everyone else is the problem. You just can't grasp for one second that maybe you are part of the problem and should heed that advice.
What are you referring to with the name calling? Are you talking about how the WKs call me a troll or obnoxious? Those words actually make me smile, and to be honest, coming from you, they are medals of honor. Yes.... I can handle return fire. Not sure what you've done in your life, but this is child's play to me, so if this upsets you, I don't even know what to think. (Well, I do... just not gonna write it here because it might offend someone.)
Of course you didn't have the circumstances (I won't call them problems) before. The board used to be nothing but obnoxiously obsequient sycophants fawning over each other and taking ad hominem shots at others. Nothing wrong with a little check and balance system, is there? Or do you really despise the freedom of expression?
What is uncivil? Anything you disagree with? Feel free to PM me (as the moderator noted) with a list of discussions that you deem uncivil and tell me why they are uncivil. I will reply in kind.
Not reveling in anything. There is no victory. It's only a wasteland if you don't contribute.
Here's a definition of civil from the link below
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a : civilized (civil society)
b : adequate in courtesy and politeness : mannerly (a civil question)
Take the thread a little bit down the page called "Why covered BJ?" by bjthegent where you and others hijacked the thread to continue your personal attacks on Trinity. Almost everyone already knows what how you and your clique think about Trinity and you are certainly entitled to your opinion. However, to hijack the thread for your own amusement is simply obnoxious. This is far from the only example of uncivil behavior; it is ridiculously easy to find others. This is what I take issue with, not the topics themselves. There's nothing forcing you to behave this way; it is a choice you make.
TER practically calls you out by name as being part of the problem and yet you continue to try and justify your behavior and act like it is everyone else's fault for allegedly trying to oppress you. The board didn't need your brand of "saving," we managed just fine before you and the others showed up.
Very famous for hijacking threads here. Even a few providers, too, are infamous for it.
2
a : civilized (civil society)
b : adequate in courtesy and politeness : mannerly (a civil question)
Take the thread a little bit down the page called "Why covered BJ?" by bjthegent where you and others hijacked the thread to continue your personal attacks on Trinity. Almost everyone already knows what how you and your clique think about Trinity and you are certainly entitled to your opinion. However, to hijack the thread for your own amusement is simply obnoxious. This is far from the only example of uncivil behavior; it is ridiculously easy to find others. This is what I take issue with, not the topics themselves. There's nothing forcing you to behave this way; it is a choice you make.
TER practically calls you out by name as being part of the problem and yet you continue to try and justify your behavior and act like it is everyone else's fault for allegedly trying to oppress you. The board didn't need your brand of "saving," we managed just fine before you and the others showed up.
I asked her in a very civil manner for clarification of an "almost" BJ or whatever she had posted. She chose to not answer the question but rather to talk about movies. A known WK, DrBudGreen, then kept the thread going in that direction.
Isn't my post here another example of being civil? I just disagree with you.
2
a : civilized (civil society)
b : adequate in courtesy and politeness : mannerly (a civil question)
Take the thread a little bit down the page called "Why covered BJ?" by bjthegent where you and others hijacked the thread to continue your personal attacks on Trinity.
I suffer from selective memorory. Think you know what im getting at.
They are anything but civil.
To just answer the question, no sarcasm, no negativity, etc. Then all the subsequent posts would not have happened.
We know well your dislike of her. At this point, you'd be lucky if she gave you the time of day. Nothing in her response called for the piling on you and your buddies did.
Seeing as a lot of the whole board thinks she's the 2nd coming of Mother Teresa, I would think it would be fairly easy for her to overlook and forgive mere words.
But the fact remains that if she didn't make that movie comment and had simply answered the question, then there would have been nothing for anyone to pile on about.
It's not my dislike of her. I've seen her as a provider. I would not do that with a person I didn't like. It's simply my dislike of what she's done and perhaps what she's become.
To most of us, anyway. But not to those who revel in insults, personal attacks, name calling and intimidation rather than civil discourse in a respectful manner which encourages everyone to participate.
As for safety... some people don't seem to realize that demanding over and over that someone post details of that person's or another person's personal info isn't about safety, but intimidation.
You have for many years set the board standard on respectful, civil discourse. Thank you for the reminder that TER expects that kind of behavior to be the rule, not the exception.
Requoting the rules (paragraph 1), unnecessary and does not contribute anything to the conversation beyond what Vorlon already said.
Personal info (paragraph 2)? What the heck are you babbling about.
Yes, Vorlon is very PC (paragraph 3). Sometimes stifling so. But I do remember him almost showing emotion and getting "angry" but don't remember the topic. Knots, why don't you go find that pretty please.
Smooches, hugs, kisses. Mwuah!😄
As for safety... some people don't seem to realize that demanding over and over that someone post details of that person's or another person's personal info isn't about safety, but intimidation.
You have for many years set the board standard on respectful, civil discourse. Thank you for the reminder that TER expects that kind of behavior to be the rule, not the exception.
Hey Knots
Would you be so kind as to site some references on this board, as to where its been demanded that details of anyones personal info be posted here. And by personal info just what are you refering to. All in nature of transparency . You made the claim now , lets get some facts out in the open .
As for safety... some people don't seem to realize that demanding over and over that someone post details of that person's or another person's personal info isn't about safety, but intimidation.
You have for many years set the board standard on respectful, civil discourse. Thank you for the reminder that TER expects that kind of behavior to be the rule, not the exception.
- Multiple demands to divulge personal information on a public forum (this one) about a former scheduler.
- Multiple demands to divulge the identity of a provider on a public forum (this one) such that anyone (eg LE) could easily link her to a recent online story.
In each case, these demands involved revealing personal information on specific individuals involved in the local hobby scene.
Most of the posts involved have been removed by Admin, and rightly so. But a few remain, and are there for you to seek out to satisfy your curiosity. You can use the Search function as well as I can.
That is all I am going to say on this subject.
What "personal information" on former scheduler did we demand? Personal name? Address no it was all related to the business, the business was in question. The business that looked after those making them the bank. And when sufficient threw them out on their own. Yeah the same one that has alot of personal information that at anytime they see fit can be demanded by LE. Past , present or future. As Wong said in another post, yeah its part of the arena we play in just doesn't mean go along blindly with it.
The whole CP thing . Advice to that deal dont open doors if you cant close them . Yeah we demanded to know if she was the one decided to talk to media. Her free decision . Dont confuse or distort why we felt it was relevant to the community to know the facts. You go right ahead exercise your liberty and support those who talk with media. By the way didnt P411 have a problem with that whole deal . Maybe you and the gang can launch a complaint to P411 as to their injustice.
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