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Obremt4781 reads

Unfortunately the Twin Cities is loosing is appeal for this activity I truly enjoy.  Same gals, same drama.  Just recently one of the ME gals I have seen many times goes indy. Nothing wrong with that.  Until she wants to start verifying all over again, depsite having provided details that describe when we met. She wants exact dates and time, are you kidding, why would I keep this on my calendar?

Some of the ladies in town will realize the way they treat us matters.  

Was able to line up a local legend simply from a few emails and her seeing my track record on TER.  Btw, had my world rocked as well!

Obremt91 reads

Another topic - Provider receiving oral is now an upgrade?  Really?

that she genuinely does not recall who you are? If I were the client, I'd consider two factors: the last time I saw her and if she was a high volume provider being with an agency (since you said she just went indy). Unless something unique happened during your time together, it's not entirely out of the realm of possibility that she may not recall who you are.  

Is she willing to accept light screening (re: name, email, phone number, provider references and/or a message from your TER account)?

Agree. I *do* keep track of all my appointments (day/time/location/payment) but the only personal info I keep on the gent is an email. So correct, if it someone I have only seen once 8 months ago and you are contacting me with a new email address I am not going to have any clue who you are. Guys seem to forget that even if a gal only has one or two appointment a day and not all are going to be repeats realistically that is 150+ guys a year we are seeing. Most guys are seldom seeing that many different providers a year. And if it is an agency or a massage parlor double or triple the amount of guys she is seeing (at minimum).  

...you don't keep the guys PII, just his email(s).  So, to unpack that, you go thru each email and delete any PII from it but retain the email itself.  I see that you use gmail; therefore if I were to send you my DL, last 4 years tax returns and my corp D&B# in the first email and you approve, you would respond affirmatively.  At that point, I may suggest a meeting time, where to grab dinner etc and this exchange may go back and forth 3-4 times before the details were established or it became annoying for one or the other party.  At this point, my PII has bounced back and forth thru space in a continuous thread.  I'll make another assumption that you are using your smart phone to correspond.  Bold assumption I'm sure but I don't see a lot of laptops being used in the field.  

You've stated in the past how busy you are with all the RFP landing on you, which I have no doubt you are.  As I understand it, once a fellow passes the sniff test, you are asking us to believe that you immediately delete certain portions of information in the body of the email before you respond with an approval, even when you're busy?  In another conversation, you emphatically stated that one of the reasons you require PII is if there were ever to be a medical emergency such as a heart attack and you would need to pass along vital information to the authorities so they could contact next of kin.  This tells me that you must be going back through that continuous email thread and deleting the PII out of each layer once the appointment has finished.

I'm just trying to clarify at what point you expunge all the boys' life destroying PII.  

I really appreciate your questions! Let me know when you want to book an appointment with me and I will be happy to share how I make sure to keep your information private and safe. I really doubt our paths will ever cross in real life so until then rather unnecessary.  

Have a great night....
Scarlet

...the emails AND PII, even though it's done in a manner that is very private and "safe".  

And safe is defined by your standards and protocols.  

Thank you for the clarification.

No, the clarification is that I share all of that specific information with gentlemen that I see. And considering I am not sharing that information with you, that will be all the clarification you will need with this exchange.  

Have a great day sir!
Scarlet

what your standards and protocols would be then? Last year, you stated, "It would do wonders if provider's could take a step in our direction to assure us that there is ZERO intention of any personal data retention." So, here's a provider, taking a step in the client direction to ascertain how to meet your expectations.  

 
To that end, could you please answer the following:

 
If you were the provider:

 
• what would your standards and protocols be?  
• if a semi-regular reached out to you (see them 1x/quarterly) - how would you be able to recall who they are?  
• If you had seen someone a year prior, how would you recall who they are?  
• If someone you only saw once emailed you for a reference - how would you recall who they are?

Maybe you don't see it but the problem is the provider was bringing some affirmation to your post and in the process, said the quiet part out loud when she emphatically stated that she DOES retain emails from clients.  I'm asking the relatively simple question of when does she delete the PII that was passed along in the initial or the follow up email after PII was requested.

There are a number of reasons I can understand why a provider retains an email, the primary being is that it documents for a lack of better term, a safe/known/repeat etc client.  Keeps pretty easy books that way as well.  Now, this provider has been one of MANY that has assured us that no retention of any of our information happens...in fact, the information is always deleted "after".  After vetting? After the goodbye kiss? After the tour?
  Now, these may not be necessarily her exact words, but words similar that are repeated by many and perhaps, yourself every time this comes up.  Usually followed by the inclusion of "no reputable provider" assurance phrase somehow mixed into the justification of collecting PII.

So, she has had the opportunity to tell us at what point she deletes the PII but chooses to ignore it.  In previous post, she did infer that certain PII was needed should the client have a medical condition that would allow authorities to be able to notify next of kin.  That leads to the obvious conclusion that PII is retained until after the session has occurred.    

So, I ask again, when is the PII abated from the initial email where it was sent in and, in the case of a platform such as gmail, ALL of the other layers of the initial email as a conversation goes back and forth.  You see, I'm not making the case that the provider has bad intentions but anyone hacking a known escort's email is likely doing to with the worst of intentions and the provider will likely just be collateral damage.  The prize will be what is buried in the hundreds of emails that may or may not have been deleted.

So, this provider took no step toward alleviating my concerns but she did validate a critical point that I have been making for quite a while.  

 I'll finish with this before I get to the homework.  

  I believe that providers operate in a very dangerous environment and I understand why they would take every step they could to safely to about their business.  When a lady comes to visit me, I make sure the space (hotel) is fully illuminated and all doors (bathroom, closets etc) are open so they can see we're alone.  I'll actually step away from the door to allow the lady to enter and also feel that she can gtfo if needed until she can see all is good.   I don't want a shred of apprehension or doubt spoiling the beginning of a date.

I also believe most people operate in this world with the best of intentions but sometimes things go wrong.  Bad decisions often cause bad circumstances.  Bad circumstances cause good people to do bad things.  I believe people for the most part are honest and want to do a good job, especially in the service industry.  That said, things go off the rails sometimes and that is what can blow back on clients in worst of ways.  Providers, their assistants, possibly their room mates, boy/girlfriends all can potentially access this information if it is not abated.  

Now the If I Were a Provider part;

If I were a provider and the security of my clientele was as important to me as it was to him/her, I would:

• what would your standards and protocols be?  
 
I would create a 2 part system using 2 different devices that were never synced.  I'd consider something very simple as a kindle or notebook.  In that, I'd keep my black book of client nicknames or handles and their corresponding email with my own thumbs up/down system where other notes could be taken such as likes, dislikes etc.  I'd keep the correspondence thru another simple device that was easy to operate with for correspondence.  Both would be on the cheap side in case it needed to be gone fast and for good.  I'd operate this thru a VPN ALLWAYS.  Once I had the vetting complete, all info would be deleted and the client's basic anonymous info would be entered into the other device.  I would look to the IT world to provide very good software for cleaning out information that is supposed to go away..  At this point, I don't think a provider would have more than $500 wrapped up (not including software subscriptions) in it.  

So the SOG once client PII is acquired would be to enter that into whatever platform is being used (maybe on a 3rd device?), process the results and affirm/deny the client.  Enter new data (handle/email/pass or fail) into the secondary device (ex Kindle).  Expunge all PII.  Done

Take the above as layman suggestions,  my expertise does not come from the world of technology.  That said, at least hearing the slightest bit of effort in the permanent (if such a thing exists) removal of PII would go a long way in making clients believe providers were on the same page or even gave 2 fuks about it.  

• if a semi-regular reached out to you (see them 1x/quarterly) - how would you be able to recall who they are?  

You have their email, look in the Kindle

• If you had seen someone a year prior, how would you recall who they are?  

See above
• If someone you only saw once emailed you for a reference - how would you recall who they are?

See above but I'd suggest a moderate reference fee or honorarium for the effort.  I'd easily throw $50 for a reference, wouldn't bother me a bit.  Risk/Reward at it's best.  Thank you Paige, here's a $50 electronic gift card to Vic Secrets or Menards...

This has nothing to do with keeping INFO.... but the issue with remembering a client (OP's initial post)

Usage of Burner phones/numbers, multiple email accounts or new email accounts, new phone numbers, google phone numbers, etc.

So a possible client reaching back out to provider and saying... YOU DONT REMEMBER ME.... well could be anew phone number, new email address, etc.   WHICH you say should possibly be deleted ASAP type thing.

So back to the OP.... he shouldn't be upset when someone goes "indy" not remember you.   Main reason is because im sure the provider didn't do the screening.  So they dont know phone numbers, emails, etc.

Well, when someone "goes indy" they likely don't have any of the old email addys or phone #'s so there should be zero expectations of a client for any kind of connection.  Yes, I did read the OP however when our friendly cheesehead popped in and let everyone know she does retain emails, which should be assumed most do I simply inquired what she does with the PII that is contained in the email.  You'll notice that she has yet to say if any PII is removed or deleted.  Seen it time and time again that it's kept "safe".  That alone should give anyone pause if they've got anything to lose.  

Hi Snafu!

I did not share that information with *you* because I will not be seeing *you*. I openly share all of that information with all of the gentlemen that I do see when I visit Bloomington, MN. If any gentlemen wish to book an appointment with me when I visit they are more than welcome to inquire as to how I keep their information safe. Thank you so much for understanding!  

Regards,  
Scarlet

you literally described what the vast majority of providers do. And yet you continue this ongoing battle of "when do y'all delete my PII?" Based on the chatter I see on Twitter (X) and other avenues, anecdotally what I notice is that most providers will retain your PII (if you even give PII) until after the first date. Then they will proceed to remove all traces of your information on their primary work device [phone or laptop] and store the bare minimum information needed via an encrypted file in another secure place like an encrypted external hard-drive and kept in a secure place.  

 
"So, she has had the opportunity to tell us at what point she deletes the PII but chooses to ignore it."
She opted to not respond to your question because she does not have to. She does not need to share with you or the public, because this is a public forum, her exact process. Glaring safety issue - I would think you'd realize that. In addition, you are not her client. You are not entitled to know her process. If you want to know her process, book a date with her.  

 
"I'd consider something very simple as a kindle or notebook."
- So you'd use items that are not secure at all. Got it.  

 
There's more to your argument I could break down but I believe I've addressed the crux of the matter.

First, when you use the quotes, you're literally trying to quote me.  Born and raised within a couple hours of the Canadian border and y'all simply isn't in my lexicon.  I don't talk like that and it appears you don't talk like that so not sure where you were going with that, seems a bit weird.  

 The rest of the paragraph might actually be the first response where a provider shared real steps in their process of dealing with PII after its use has expired.  Thank you for that.  If you could see me right now, I'd have that look like I want to stand up and applaud, politely of course, not wild like JJ breaks open for 6 or subtle opera clap but my head would be nodding.  

Kindle's are too simple for this?  That's the beauty of it.  If someone got in, all they would see (correction...SHOULD see) are relatively anonymous email addy's from yahoo, gmail etc with a thumbs up or down or maybe they like to be peed on or whatever.  Zero PII.  If dudes are using their real world emails or office phones to communicate, they're so stupid they deserve what they get.  I believe I did qualify that IT is not my area of expertise I would engage with a professional to set me up with the best hardware/software.  

If you want to PM me and break it down some more, feel free.  I'd love to have a polite debate.  This horse is probably fully dead by now and needs no more kicking...

1) I was raised in the Deep South part-time & lived there for 10 years full-time, I do use y’all quite frequently & depending on the word, have a slight drawl still. Also that quote I use would be considered hyperbolic aka exaggeration.  

2) I don’t want to DM you. I’ve given this, therefore you, enough free time and attention. No need to be drawn out in the DMs. You’re welcome to book me if you want a healthy and polite debate.

If youre that fucking worried about this shit find a different hobby.  And spare us the paranoid over wrought and way too drawn out BS.  BTW, youre not a normal person and I dont mean youre special or unique,  I mean that anyone engaged in 10000 word rants on this page about crap that no one gives a shit about or only merits a a few questions  has a special problem.

....You can stroll by if reading bothers you.  There are quite a few gents in this hobby that are concerned with their PII.  I guessing you don't care because you have little to lose.  Sounds like you need a nap.

Yea, Im sure you gotta lot to lose too.  Major important person spends all day posting idiotic shit on hooker website.  You better get back to work, that board meeting isnt going to get anywhere without you.

It's actually comical to think that until a provider sees a face for a second or even a third time they'd have any idea who any of us are based upon a description. They're all mostly all alike. Unless something VERY obvious happens to be memorable. Like say, shooting a load three feet past my head onto a mirror behind me. I don't think that provider soon forgot that one...

I dislike drama. People who seem to have it should be on your list at all.
Do some research I’m sure some people deserve your attention and others don’t .

I’m somewhat amused by this thread.
Back some time ago,  a concern was voiced about MNE agencies and the high risk involved, and now, the risk presented by a well respected professional that offered perspectives.
Makes me wonder, has James Bond encrypted the P11 of those using 007 that makes them a safer alternative.
I’d suspect an interstate agency employing Ms Foxy is significantly more risk than Ms. Scarlett, Paige, or other seasoned independents,but then again, I only saw a couple Bond movies.

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There's a couple reasons why 007 should give a guy concerns now.  At least one would have some confidence Paige or Ms. Scarlett handle their own information.  I'd go thru a lot of hand lotion before I ever coughed up any private info to what very well could be foreign org crime or party owned management.

You shouldn't be upset.

Odds are is that this person didn't do any of the screening prior to going Indy.   So she doesn't have a clue about email addresses, phone numbers, etc.   You can tell her names and what not.  But how many people forget names easily... or it takes 3-4 meetings to remember them.   Especially if you name is a common one.  Like a Matt.... how many "matts" do you think they have met.

So you shouldn't be too upset.   Just do the screening she requested if you want to see her.  If you dont... then find someone else.

This situation, in my opinion, is rather straightforward and didn't need to be exaggerated.  99 percent of women in some groups have zero access to any emails or client list. See her and screen, or don’t.  

It’s possible she is trying to keep her tracks clean also  
Or she feels she didn’t get permission to keep your information  

There are many things to consider here as I’ve been in this for over 15 years now ..  

1. I’ve gotten a client in trouble giving reference to his wife posed as a trust provider - never again ..  
now I remove emails when i do a bi yearly clean up to prevent such things . Not only do we protect ourselves. In a way we protect you .  

2. For me I like to keep things in email and away form anywhere else  

But the problem is … emails get full once every blue moon and it prevented my emails from coming in so the older emails were compromised  

3. as far as I’ve experienced.. I’ve seen provider turn LE and client turn bad on new provider they have seen but still trying to use me as reference not have been seen by me for the last 6 years .  

For me personally I don’t think a simple re- screen should be an issue once a year or two  

Reasons can be based off of real experiences

 
I’m unsure why she does but they may be a reason for everything  

If u have better safer ways for us to keep info like that , do educate us ..  

It’s not the case for everyone but just wanted to shine some  thought on a lovely day

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