The last few providers I've reached out to have requested a picture of a driver's license or a pay stub or both. I have offered P411 info and ter info on both occasions but they wanted more. Am I wrong to not want to share drivers license or pay stub? In the past P411 or ter was enough. Not looking for an argument just trying to understand. I am evidently wasting my money on the verification  sights?

A pay stub? Not a snowballs chance in hell.

I can confirm  that both providers were reputable. Actually had seen one of them several years ago. I thought being a p411 member covered the screening tho? That's not the case anymore? Just asking as if that's the case no need to waste that money anymore? 40+ okays on there! Full disclosure it's been a year since last ok.

Providers that allow P411 and/or TER as screening require that you have at least two (2) P411 "okays" and/or TER "whitelists" that are no older than 6 months before the scheduled date. I've seen providers expand this to "okays" and/or "whitelists" cannot be more than one year old due to the pandemic; however, your last review is from June 2020 so I imagine your last "okay" is from June 2020. Therefore, you're outside the one year threshold and definitely outside the six month threshold for all of your "okays".  

I've considered making this a post on my blog because there's so much information to flesh through. The reality though is that screening, no matter what method, is not full proof. However, certain methods (i.e: real world info, DL, and/or employment info) mitigate potential issues more than others. The pandemic brought out the worst of the worst and that is when I noticed a shift in screening that I think is here to stay. I know that for me, requiring at least some real world information has kept me out of some situations with questionable people from the jump.  

Appreciate the feedback!

You are probably right about the arrogance of p411. To be honest I feel some entitlement as I was sold on the idea originally per the fact that it covered screening? P411 did the screening for the providers? Obviously the new normal has affected everything! Quick question Paige, how would you handle the situation if I had reached out to you. It would be the same situation as my original thread, as we have met in the past. Just curios.  
Thx

Fyi
Whomever sent me a message I'm unable to open as I let my vip lapse. My p411 just lapsed also. Probably won't renew either one. Sounds like there's less expensive ways to screen?

They’re all very arrogant and entitled?  That sucks.

No, not everyone. As per my post, I stated "fellas... tend to be". Doesn't mean all of them. I digress.  

Every time you turn over personally identifiable information (PII) to a provider you are trusting that she will never use that information in a way you don't want.  I don't doubt that is true a huge majority of the time so long as you are dealing with well established providers.  But the chance of it happening is not zero and the more people you hand that information out to, the greater the chance that you will run into a provider who is thought to be reputable but turns out not to be.  And all it takes is one bad apple to cause a lot of trouble for you in your real life.

So, what exactly do you want from an initial contact via P411?

Being on P411 doesn't mean a provider can't ask for more screening information although it largely defeats the purpose when they do ask for a lot more.  The inconsistency here is that the providers say that no reputable provider will misuse your PII without explaining how clients know for sure the provider really is reputable and will remain that way.  Providers can change as well.

… when guys who want to meet you haven’t bothered to read your website, which you took time to create for their benefit?  

Obviously, you're one of a kind KnotsAway because you actually fill out the bio fully. However, just because you operate in a certain way but doesn't mean other clients do. You are on the client side of P411 - you cannot see other client profiles. I am on the provider side so I can and honestly the majority of the client profile is focused on their physicality (facial hair, visit the dentist, are the overweight, etc.). While that information is helpful, I'm more concerned about the other questions like personality type, music, refreshments, etc. Questions that are not normally answered. Suffice to say, there are numerous clients who do not have a fully filled out profile, have some form of "prefer not to share" as their answer on half their profile, and have not legitimately filled out the long-form, open-ended "bio" part of their profile and if they do, it's really more so focused on the acts that they most enjoy in a session.  

I've never done it and never will.  I've had a few ask, never as part of P411 but I've screened out the ones who state on their website it's required and file them as blocked.  If my P411 or refs are not enough it's time to move on quickly.  Anonymity is it for me, nothing good can come from people you don't really know (or don't know their situation) having this kind of info...not always but it only takes one to completely F your life up.  I completely understand why some feel they need it, it's just not going to be me.  If I was retired and single, I may not care or I may still care because I don't want copies of that stuff floating around in the digital world for many reasons.

Exactly!

I’m just offering you another perspective, a client’s perspective, as you’re not a client (and I’m not a provider) and I thought it might be helpful to give you an idea as to why a client might be terse/concise in communications. It may not be because he’s a poor prospective client for you. Could be other factors at play, e.g. he has a completely different communication style than you do, he doesn’t know that you highly value longer introductory messages (even on channels like P411), or maybe he’s seen all the threads on TER and Twitter where providers talk about “time wasters”, and he values your time and thus kept it short ‘n sweet.  

Jordan, Vorlon has been doing this since the Flood, or just afterwards. I have too, off and on, for a very long time. There are women to whom I am not effectively anonymous. Three of them, I think.

I also have not had an Okay in over a year. I plan to book with an active lady who has seen me before to get a new Okay.

I don't post much here due to time and other reasons but I know the board and I know the scene pretty well worldwide.  There are two people on this thread who are fixtures since around the time I started or before.  If they don't have a good reputation, a good reputation cannot be had!

You two worked on the ark together right?  You both have around as long as I've been here which is 2002... and I see you elsewhere too for years.  My how things have/are changing and I'm not even that old yet.  

Clients can be blackmailed, obviously.

I just say hello, would like to meet, here's my first suggested time, let me know what works. I keep it as short as possible. Typically end by saying something like "Looking forward to meeting you. Thanks".

"Hello (insert provider name),  

it's one I've heard before. Although those requests might be the *last* to be answered it doesn't mean they go unanswered. Typically, I will respond and ask that they give me a bit more info into who they are and why they think we'd be compatible, especially if I don't fit their preferred provider type. They are usually apologetic and, as you said, reached out that way because they didn't want to waste my time which I appreciate. But it's not my style. I'm very blessed, I get a lot of requests especially with my MN rate being so competitive now... I want to make sure I'm spending time with people I would click with. In regards to the original example I provided a few replies above:

I assure you I did not invent the idea of mutual anonymity.  It was around before I got started in P4P and is how I have operated as long as I have been in it.    There are maybe 3 women who learned who I am and that was when we had seen each other many times and actually knew a lot about each other.

I have been around since  2007. Good reputation.  Giving  my real life info  is not going to happen.

I have been blackmailed by a well known recently retired local provider who retired 6 months ago.

I don't get why this is always such a hot topic. There are well-reviewed, respected providers out there who I'm happy to give my information to. If it makes her more comfortable, the experience is going to be better for both of us. If someone with little or no history asks for more than I'm comfortable with, I'll move on. Simple. If you're cleared through P411, that shows that you were willing to verify your identity once; that you are who you say you are. I agree that should count for something. But that could have been years ago and it doesn't say you're not an abusive jerk. Give her what she asks for or move on.  

I used my real name and email address for the first few ladies I ever saw. Then like the 3rd one told me not to do that and use an alias name and make up an email so I did. I have been using an alias ever since and have seen the top ladies in the state with no problem for 7 years. I have never filled out a booking form ever either. Simple emails work just as well.
  I remember a date with a well known lady like 5 years ago once showed me how her clients would email her from there work, use there real names and work emails. She even showed me a few of there doctor and lawyer bio pages. I was surprised how there guys were so dumb and just looking to get caught but whatever I don't know the ladies real name and they do not know mine.

The nature of blackmail is that you don't hear about it.

...the real names and bios of several hobbying doctors and lawyers courtesy of a local well known lady.
 That should be the end of the argument.

Now, I know some people, especially from TER, dislike "Twitter" providers; however, I stumbled upon this thread earlier today. Suffice to say, providers across the gamut have their thoughts on P411. I will say more veteran providers (in the industry 10+ years) always told me that P411 was always an advertising site and screening was secondary. Who's to say.  

From what I know P411 was never intended to be an advertising platform.  The "infiltrated by law enforcement"  rumor has been around forever and has been debunked.  It's likely less infiltrated than any other platform including this one.  There is no much to infiltrate there since all it does is says I have oks from x people and those people have given out x number of oks.  There are no reviews or any other info anyone would be interested in except maybe a spouse or someone wanting to blackmail someone else.  There are none of the issues big platforms have such as underage, human trafficking, etc...they run a pretty tight ship from my experience.

This is why what sweetromantic and lockstock say!

I think it is rare but it does happen.  Personally, I'd be more concerned with acquaintances of a provider rather than the provider herself.  With or without their knowledge, room mates/boyfriends/handlers/pimps could start getting jealous, lose control or revenue and seek to exploit any/all the individuals that she may have PI on.

I don’t think it’s been mentioned yet that P411 membership by clients includes the condition that providers can ask to see the ID that was used to create the member’s P411 ID, e.g, driver’s license.  I think the rules at the time I joined said that it was acceptable to cover up parts of the ID such as address and last name when showing the ID to the provider; I don’t recall exactly as it was several years ago.  

to do "as much additional screening" as we'd like when we receive an appointment request. That line in and of itself tells me that P411 doesn't believe it's truly the end-all-be-all of screening.

I don’t think anyone here suggested that P411 is the end-all-be-all of screening.  Anyone who thinks that wasn’t paying attention when they joined P411, nor when they use it to request appointments (or respond to those requests).  It’s a tool that, as I said above, streamlines SOME of the process.  But it doesn’t do everything providers and clients need to do to ensure a mutually safe and pleasurable session.

Every client has to decide for themselves if they are willing to give out PII.  Clearly you are.  It's been explained what can go wrong in this thread so what else do you want?  

This is personal info, probably a ruse to steal identity. Sorry but you are wrong here.

I think this is my third or fourth version of this. I really can't say the whole full version of this situation. Over the past many years, I've known about incidents or known these guys personally. It has to be at least 15 guys that have gone down for several reasons.

That most companions don't do anything as I mentioned above. That was just this incident

The way I see it everything we do in life as a level of reward vs risk, from the route we drive home to the food we eat.
The only voice worth really listening to is the one in your gut. If you even I have the slightest concern about a providers integrity, why move forward in the first place?
That said, I also look forward to the opportunity to enjoy the company of Paige and Jordan at some point soon and will gladly provide whatever screening info they need as I  have no concerns whatsoever based on their reputation and status. With such providers, I suspect the rewards are great and the risk minimal.
Listen to your gut feelings, and not your little head.
Btw: how damn cool is this civil discussion anyway?👍

I've given the name Walter White (love Breaking Bad), and pulled random peoples dl pics off the internet.

I need to stop drunk posting.