was murdered -- stabbed to death -- in Chicago today. The articles say she was traveling with 2 MN providers. She leaves behind 5 kids under the age of 10. A reminder of one of the reasons we screen.
Ladies, please please travel safely and play smart.
Wish I could think of something profound to say.
Stay safe out there.
Did they catch the guy(s) yet?
From what I have read and researched.
"A police source said the attack did not appear random."
In other words the victim knew her attacker and it was premeditated. It was not some random john who showed up and decided to attack. While screening is important, it is impossible to know if screening in this case would have helped.
All five of the victims children are in foster care. She did not even have limited visitation rights and was not involved with their care. Simply stating that "She leaves behind 5 kids under the age of 10," you are giving the impression her children were living with her and she was involved with their care.
This might be a unique situation and not necessarily related to the hobby but with the company she kept. What you are trying to do is embellish some facts and paint all hobbyists in a bad light.
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Your last sentence overstates the original message, which is a very good one, screen carefully. I do not see the post as painting all hobbyists in a bad light. Screen, baby, screen.
...that the client is a well-disguised murderous psychopath?
The problem is that escorting in some forms is illegal and thus forced underground. It leaves providers with little protection from such individuals.
screening is ONE was for ladies to have final say in who we spend time with. No, it will not stop all acts of violence but I believe it evens out the playing field and at least gives us a chance at protecting ourselves.
No screening cannot define a murderous psychopath as you put it but it raises HUGE red flags over the indicators of their behavior.
That can be used in screening to determine if a lady would feel safe seeing the hobbiest in question.
As it stands nobody has the facts in yet related to the who, what, why. There are some facts established however. These five children will never have the chance to reunify with their mother. Being stuck in the foster system, I doubt they will be reunified with each other either. A family has been devastated here. You have no clue what her involvement with her children has been. The system doesn't take & keep children from their parents. They work toward reunification (required by law) which involves parent participation in the child's life. I don't know what her status with them was & don't really care at this point. The children & their futures is what is on the forefront of my mind.
I don't think BB was implicating either that "all hobbyists are bad" or embellishing the facts. Screening goes beyond the hobbyist. I would not affiliate myself, or exchange information with a provider, or so called agency w/o screening. It is not safe to trust anyone in this business w/o proper screening. Even then caution should always be heeded to. Just my honest opinion.
Thank you BB for bringing this issue to our attention!
Safe wishes everyone!
Leann
the only people who said it was not a random attack was the hotel mgr! and of course they would say that so as not to scare away potential guests. So you are the one twisting the facts!
As for my comment about her kids, she does leave behind 3 kids. Whether they live with her or not is a mute point. there are 3 kids under age 10 without a mother. This woman divorced from a man, met up with a pimp and from their her life fell apart....including having her kids taken away. So, yes women in this biz need to be cautious. And this news event is a very real and sobering fact to that end.
She was traveling with 2 other providers from MN. It is not a huge step to believe she was traveling to Chicago to do business. Not as a pleasure trip.
I never painted all hobbyists in a bad light. And if you took it that way, well, maybe you are one of those who should be painted in such a way.
This was simply meant to be a reminder for ladies to screen and for gents to not give those who do a hard time.
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Anyway the link on this article in subject can be posted?
Thanks
As for my comment about her kids, she does leave behind 3 kids. Whether they live with her or not is a mute point. there are 3 kids under age 10 without a mother. This woman divorced from a man, met up with a pimp and from their her life fell apart....including having her kids taken away. So, yes women in this biz need to be cautious. And this news event is a very real and sobering fact to that end.
She was traveling with 2 other providers from MN. It is not a huge step to believe she was traveling to Chicago to do business. Not as a pleasure trip.
I never painted all hobbyists in a bad light. And if you took it that way, well, maybe you are one of those who should be painted in such a way.
This was simply meant to be a reminder for ladies to screen and for gents to not give those who do a hard time.
you have no business attacking me.....and from behind an alias, too, no less. What a fucking coward!!
Her real name & pic is in the article. Perhaps Google would be the better option. (IMO) I Googled "Prostitute stabbed to death in Chicago & it was right at the top. Apollo, Opinion please?
C'mon, let us be honest with ourselves. I looked at the articles. If this was a random attack there would be public indications as to who the attacker looked like. Nothing like that so far even though there has been ample time to look at a specific time frame at the security cameras.
It was obvious it was the pimp and/or someone affiliated with her pimp. Providers have much, much more to be afraid of pimps and that crowd than hobbyists. Screening is fine, but it needs to be reasonable screening which I certainly don't mind. I draw the line at ridiculous screening that you are trying to justify by this event.
This poor woman made very bad choices and it cost her her life. Let's not use her death as some type of a marytodom for an agenda.
No one of interest to a reputable provider obviously. Hiding behind your silly aliases. "Pfft" You have no right what so ever to question any provider's screen techniques. If you don't like the level of screening a provider chooses to utilize to feel safe, MOVE ON TO ANOTHER PROVIDER!
Your assumption the perp was a pimp or affiliate of one is that & only that! You have NO facts to substantiate you conclusions. No one does at this time. Remember LE withholds information from the public all the time to protect their investigations.
I appreciate BB making this public as a wake-up call to ladies & GENTS alike. (screening goes both ways) NO ONE has dictated the level of screening that they think should take place. It was merely a reminder to screen.
Personally I am always torn between the need to know that he's not a violent predator or someone who will rob me etc. and just indulging the guy and letting fate take its course.
Personally I don't like surprises,I'm not into pain and I would look horrible in stripes.
So please do tell what exactly should make ladies just accept what you tell them and bypass their own screening methods.
It was obvious it was the pimp and/or someone affiliated with her pimp. Providers have much, much more to be afraid of pimps and that crowd than hobbyists. Screening is fine, but it needs to be reasonable screening which I certainly don't mind. I draw the line at ridiculous screening that you are trying to justify by this event.
This poor woman made very bad choices and it cost her her life. Let's not use her death as some type of a marytodom for an agenda.
IF you had READ the articles instead of "looking" at them, you would have read they have video surveillance showing a man followed her into the elevator & forced himself into her room.
I quoted directly from the horse's mouth i.e. LE and they said it was NOT a random attack. I watched the video of the LE conference and I am not twisting any facts and unless the definition of "divorce" has changed within the past 48 hours, the victim was not divorced but separated and not even legally at that.
You are using the misfortune of another provider to create your own facts and misinform the uninformed on what you think the story should be rather than what it is. There are close to 100 news articles and videos relating to the case via Google search. If you read and listened to as many as I just did, you would know that the victim's reputation as a provider had no bearing on the murder but rather the bad company she kept. No amount of screening would have prevented this crime in all likely hood.
There is no "provider killer" on the loose, the chief investigator himself stated that there is "no reason to have any fear" and insinuating that this barbaric act was committed by a john before you knew for a fact was wrong. You can screen all you want, nobody is stopping you but it is fools gold in my opinion and not best for the provider and hobbyist like many providers make it out to be. The smart ones know how to get around screening very easily.
Then get around the screening all you want. There are plenty of ladies that won't screen, so have at it. And if YOU read correctly, you would have noted I said screening is not limited to the hobbyist alone. Please go back & refresh your memory. Nothing is full-proof, but screening IS effective & should be encouraged. That goes for EVERYONE a lady or gent is considering an association with.
You do not know me and you do not know my intent in posting as you so unjustly suggest.
Maybe your LE friends have told you they caught the guy? I am sure more details will be put in the news shortly, if they haven't already reported it.
As for there being no "provider killer" out there it is you who have got the facts all wrong. There are unfortunately several of them in many different places that surface all the time, presenting barriers to these individuals may save a providers life.
Seems safe to say the victim had some knowledge of the attacker identity, but i don't see support for the idea of premeditation. Without more detail, seems more like 2nd degree homicide/crime of passion.
There are now little kids out in the world whose mom was brutally murdered,and who they loved even if they were not with her.
I have not read where anyone said screening would have prevented this tragedy,but it could have, no one can say that for sure until we know what went on in that hotel room.
No one knows who killed her, there is speculation that it was someone she knew,or it might have been a "hobbiest" no one knows that for sure either.I don't see anyone painting hobbiests in a bad light here ,what I see is heartfelt sorrow for the children combined with genuine outrage and concern for fellow providers who may end up seeing this guy and come to the same end,if it was a "hobbiest"
So I have to reiterate what Belinda said earlier,screen screen screen.
Ladies need to be extra vigilant when screening especially where this happened
because this guys still out there.
Most providers are not going to come on a board read mostly by hobbyists and lob a cheap shot at them. FWIW, I don't feel insulted at all.
As is often the case, we may find that initial reports of what happened were inaccurate. Right now, we know a woman is dead and five children and assorted other family and friends lost someone out of their lives. I hope we can all agree this is sad and hope the perp is caught soon. Beyond that maybe we should wait to see how things turn out before seeing what lessons can be learned or re-learned from this.