they say loose lips sink ships
but
i remember this client and how his obsession with a provider
brought down MGC.  MGC is dead but that provider and many of the others are still doing well I hear.  And it was our nice 911 to make us all very paranoid and safe. And in 1 year there has only been 1 bust of an internet provider, and one warning to an out of towner (I wonder if I can look up that Officer's report... you always have to file a report....). Looks like were batting pretty good.  funny though, everyone talks about how safe this is. but it will only take one domino in the TER circle to reveal all its secrets....

Great point, there have been a few busts here in town, but very minimal.  LE in other large cities are more active with the internet.  I think that's why when something happens, it's so dramatic.  It's smart to know the laws.  

LE doesn't seem too concerned about those who aren't causing trouble.  If I was LE, I'd go after the bad guys with drugs, kids and/or street crime.  Agencies get it too, depends on their standards with a new client.

Incall carries a higher risk.  But a lady has to be pretty careless to walk into a situation and not know who they're meeting.

I wish I could publicly tell you more, but it would be illegal and TER would have to edit this post.      

I'm just trying to be discreet.  

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I don't know about anyone else, but I'm sick of reading your "coded" posts, almost all ending in "I wish I could publicly tell you more......I'm just trying to be discreet."  If you were REALLY trying to be discreet, you wouldn't have posted it in the first place. You offered the people who could figure out who you were information and the rest of us are just supposed to fend for ourselves?  (ie: your posting regarding the warning, where you said to email you if we knew who you were, all others should watch out and be safe)  Who are you, a provider?  If so, thats not a good way to show support to other girls. What you basicly told me - and other girls who don't know who you are - in your post below is that we can leave our email address but because we don't know you, we are screwed.  In other words, if we aren't in your "clique" we're f***ed and not worthy enough to know the full warning.  You can't count on just because you told other people they should know to tell others.  Did you tell these girls to tell other people, including the ones that left email addresses?  I never said the information should have been given here, or even details given to me, myself, I have already heard all I need to hear.  But you miss, or mister, like to parade around the fact that you have information that only the people you choose can have it.  That's not cool.  So, take your warnings, and take your back channels, and shove them because I'm sick of you waiving it in our faces.  Reminds me of the Eddie Murphy skit "I've got some ice cream, you can't have any. Your are on on welfare, you can't afford any."  Then go in your house, eat your damn ice cream, and shut up!

"I'm just trying to be discreet."

You are just trying to get attention.

Ouch!

If you look at my history on this board, you'll find that I've never posted a confrontational post on this board, but today's the day....

Lady of Leisure, taking this tone with AnonyWishes (AW for brevity) wass completely out of line.

1. AW is a well-regarded member of this community who recently decided that using an alias for some posts was required to avoid having this kind of bile thrown in their face.  I suspect that several well-known providers and hobbyists will post to this thread this weekend in support of AW's upstanding reputation.  Some of you may have noticed a week or two ago I posted a reply (I linked to it below) that I too was going to start using an alias for any post that revealed anything personal about me.  That bad experience I refer to was with you, and now you wonder why AW is "speaking in codes" and posting under an alias.

2. There are risks involved in publicizing/assisting in these situations, as is well documented in the TER legal board and other places.  There are times when LE causes problems for those they claim interfered with an investigation or otherwise aided other members in evading LE, and TER is vocal about not wanting their board to be used to cross this line.

3. To claim you were somehow left in the lurch by the void of information is disingenuous.  You and I both know that you did indeed receive the information you needed.  Just because it came from me and not AW directly is no cause to claim you were left out.  AW has much more limited access to a computer than I do.

Your post was mean spirited and will only serve to prevent future warnings from being posted at all.

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How did I know you would be the one replying to my message, against me????.... The only reason you are saying any of this is because I won't see you.  I think the only reason you sent me an email, containing exactly what you posted to this board below, nothing new, and not telling me in the email it was per request of the anonymous person, is because you though that would make me change my mind to see you. Your email said "Still doesn't make you change your mind though, does it..."   NO IT DOESN'T!!!!  You tried to discredit me on this board, then tried to come across as a nice person in private email, all along not telling me what your handle was.  When I finally asked if you were this poster, you finally told me, along with a pathetic excuse.  How can that be a bad experience?  Maybe for me, a guy trying to bait and switch.  Somehow I think YOU think we had an appointment.  But as I tell everyone that has interest in an appointment, no appointment is confirmed until I talk to you on the phone, and we never talked. (Your mention that I somehow cost you money, how?????) Go ahead and use all the alias' you want, to say whatever you want to me, it will only go to show that you aren't as stand up as you are trying to make believe to everyone else.  Get a life and stay out of mine.  I've said my piece and I'm not saying anymore.  

I'm sorry TB.  I did NOT mean to cause trouble here.  I just wanted to let the ladies and agencies know to be careful and hopefully they'd take it back-channel from there.  I answered to Julia that I'd be calling her and OmegaZap seems pretty in the know.  I also got ahold of at least 4 other providers who are well known here.  This all seems so petty considering it was just a warning for the ladies to check things out back-channel.    

I can't give details, here, TER has rules to protect themselves.

I don't blame you for being upset.  I didn't intend to cause this much drama.  

Again, All I do is warn when I see something going down.  I legally can't tell them how to stay safe other than get educated on the laws and make friends with other ladies in the hobby.  
 

-- Modified on 2/22/2003 9:17:10 AM

Shortly after my post, I'd responded that I'd call Julia.  Soon after, Madison and OmegaZap posted some details.  Are you missing something here?  

Stop flaming me on the board.  I will NOT discluse publicy who I am or to those I don't know well and trust.



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-- Modified on 2/22/2003 10:02:44 AM

Fear Uncertainty and Doubt.
We used to use it in the tech business, often times to distract people from the inferiorities of our own product. I never liked the technique much, but it is a classic sales technique and can be very successful when preaching to the converted. Keep them afraid by creating uncertainty and doubt about everything. Classic technique used by dictators too...

Just ask yourself something: Is the Purveyor of FUD trying to sell something?  Heathy vigilance never hurt a soul, and blind trust is best reserved for dogs and children. But fear strangles joy of living.  Our only Fear should be Fear to paraphrase a great statesmen.

My final question is this: do things happen just out of the blue?  I've often found that events happen strategically when someone has something to gain from putting them into action.  

It is at those times when I ask myself what the upholders of truth and justice are really after: why is that elected official running for office?  If they are honest about their motivations, I can deal with them... but if they are blowing smoke, using FUD, etc... well: what comes around goes around....

-- Modified on 2/22/2003 6:24:09 PM

I'm not upset.

The bottom line is: Everyone should be careful all the time.

Repeatedly posting warning accompanied with "I can't give details" is just silly.  No different that that other goofball posting senseless drivel.