You talk about your private life and not being BOTHER THERE?? Funny it didn't SEEM to BOTHER you to call me at MY HOME and where I WORK?? Or are you the only one who has a private LIFE??
I have enjoyed this hobby for a few years and seen many of the ladies who are making comments to and about each other. I have personally had wonderful experiences with Misty, Madison, Nora, Catherine, Morgan and others. It seems every once in a while someone does something to aggrivate another. Thats gonna happen in life even though we would rather it didnt. There must be a better way to clear the air than on these public forums. I feel bad when negative comments are made by a person I like and have a good experience with. I expect there will be less than favorable reviews posted. That is how we hobbiests learn and hopefully the provider will also learn how she can improve her service.
Lets try to mend fences in private and leave this board for the fun of the hobby.
The really serious allegation that has been made here, it seems to me, is that a provider has abused contact info that she has gathered in screening clients, using it to out them to family and/or coworkers, or explicitly or implicitly threatening to out them--and that she has made a practice of such conduct, in order to deter clients from posting negative reviews here. I confess I find it a tad disturbing that this provider has neither stayed entirely aloof from the thread nor denied or otherwise addressed this most disturbing aspect of it.
If the allegation is true, she who posted it has done the community a service. But if it is false, then it is a particularly damaging kind of smear, damaging not only to its target, but to the whole community here. It not only scares potential clients away from this provider, it also casts doubt on the validity of a clear and long-established pattern of glowing reviews--just the sort of pattern that we tune into this channel to find, which is the chief raison d'etre of TER itself.
But how can we judge whether the allegation is true or false?
For the principals and other participants in the dispute to call each other liars clearly gets us nowhere.
Individual reports of experience with this provider, on either side of the question, prove nothing either. Reports of outing or blackmail, like those by Man About Town against Miami Companions, may be hatchet jobs. On the other side, a report of having given contact info to this provider without adverse consequence, even if we assume that it is entirely on the level, proves only that she does not abuse the info in every case, which is scant consolation or reassurance.
Thus it would seem that we have to fall back on arguments of probability, or what in realms of pure fiction like TER is called realism or verisimilitude. So the really vital question is, could the tactic this provider is alleged to have used, actually succeed over the long run? If so, we may as well give up on TER. If not, then the provider's long record of positive reviews supports her side of the question.
So, what do you think? Would this, could this alleged scam actually work here?
The system has always worked in the past and will continue to work without providers having public cat fights.
I've read up on the review policies and anyone can modify their review of a lady to update their experiences and ratings based upon multiple dates. TER might have placed a ban on multiple reviews because it's one form to manipulate one's ratings.
Any lady who's been in business for any degree of time gains a reputation either good or bad by how she treats you the hobbyist.
Consider the source and motives behind such allegations. TER is a businessman. I'm guessing he is smart enough not to get into playing favorites, especially after what happened to TBD.
Regarding outing clients: There was a thread on the general board about a blackmail attempt. The public figure had her arrested. Threatening to out a hobbyist to his wife/girlfriend due to a bad review doesn't seem very plausible. If a lady was to blackmail someone, she'd usually go for the wallet.
I for one have a private life and would prefer it remain that way. Very few providers take the path of extortion. It not only will ruin her reputation fast, it also is a federal offense.
There is a link of a discussion started on the suggestion board regarding Friday's events.
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You talk about your private life and not being BOTHER THERE?? Funny it didn't SEEM to BOTHER you to call me at MY HOME and where I WORK?? Or are you the only one who has a private LIFE??
You're right Keith,
I was very upset and wanted to discuss how you continually harass me on the boards. I contacted you discreetly about 2 months ago. I did not threaten you, just asked to talk and we did.
At that time you said you'd let bygones be bygones.
I haven't contacted you since, once was enough and now I will continue to ignore you as I'd stated in our conversation, keeping my end of the bargain.
Your anger is based upon your need to manipulate providers and my need to try and keep my dignity. This IS A BUSINESS. If I want to give out free time to a close gent (which happens), that should be my decision. Staying a long time past your booked time with a provider and assuming it's off the clock is unacceptable.
Did you ever reimbursed this other provider that you stayed with for 4 hours and then left $100 for her time on the table as I'd suggested you do? I'm guessing not. (You told me that you stayed over 4 hours with a lady and gave her only $100, less than she charges for one hour of her time). Gee, no wonder after you had already stayed 1/2 past our designated time I politely asked you to depart.
You were upset when I told you I had to let you go after an hour and a half of what was to be one hour, on the week I ran a special and was extremely busy. I treated you with respect, please do the same.
I asked your review to be pulled because I felt used, I didn't think you had the right to use me further and get free VIP time. Your review wasn't bad, quite the contrary. This probably seems odd to some, but you made me feel cheap. I'm used to a much higher caliber of clientele. I haven't run a $250 hot tub special since.
I won't even go into the hygene issues.
You got your 250.00 worth X 3. I'm very sorry that you feel the need to continue to harass me. I wish I knew the solution to get you to move on. Any suggestions?
As far as your post above, TER made some decisions last night and the link to that decision is in my above remark. Please don't think I had anything to do with Madison being banned from TER. I'm sure some will assume I did. If I'd have gone on TER and made statements such as Madison had made, I'd have been banned myself.
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Hello Misty,
It hurts me to see read that some clients take advantage of you and other fine ladies in this hobby. As one who truly enjoyed my time with you a couple of months ago, I know what a quality person you are. Hang in there!
Warmly,
Ed
I wouldn't wish this on anyone. I've tried my best and will continue to. Because we're on the fringe of society, we don't go by the same rules as corporate does. My only defense is my reputation.
Just imagine walking into your office on Monday and someone had emailed all your customers general allegations of extortion and ill intent. You'd be in damage control for days. I come from corporate life, some caddy things are done, but never to this degree.
I've been in this business for 3 years now. I don't keep sensitive information available on anyone that could give LE reason to cause problems. I do this to protect my friends as well as myself!
To answer again what I feel is the underlying reason: I never thought of myself as #1. I never touted myself as #1, especially on my web site LOL. What the hell does #1 mean? Right here on TER, I can generate multiple searches that give multiple results for #1.
Every lady is unique: Some drop dead beautiful, some are big, some are small (up top or bottom LOL). Variety is the spice of life. Some have intelligence and class, some are a bit tawdry. Does being #1 mean that I've beaten every lady out of being special in their own right?
The average hobbyist spends 2-3 dates with a lady at best and moves on to the next delectable entrée then might settle into a few favorites usually based upon availability. To me, a concerted effort to be #1 means you're trying to beat others down. We need to stick together for our safety and the well being of the community as a whole. If you can't beat em, stomp em to the ground? I don't write my reviews, I don't ask hobbyists for reviews and I don't relish when I see another lady get a bad review because I know that it has to hurt her feelings.
As long as a lady isn't a rip-off and can get motivated to be available, she'll do great.
I've tried over time and continue to try to talk to the one that caused all this mess. I've had others try and mediate, but the conclusion at this point is there is no available resolution. She thinks I owe her an apology and I've offered to apologize if she can come up with any viable reasons for me to do so. At the moment, my only apology is to those that have had to come to this board and read anything but fun information about the hobby.
T, I hope that stiff drink did some good. I owe you allot for trying to help. To all you ladies and gent's who've emailed and called, you're the reason I am in this hobby in the first place. This isn't all about money.
To the rest of you, I do have allot of love in my heart for what we call the "hobby" and those in it. NOT everyone has to get along, but we do have to have some decorum. I've NEVER denied anyone reference checks or tried to own any hobbyists. To the contrary as most know.
I've promoted communication and "the pursuit of happiness". I've been there whenever anyone asked for assistance or someone to listen. I've gathered fellow hobbyists and providers to get to know each other and will continue to do so after my private life is less hectic (I'm remodeling).
In the end, I'm defending myself here because someone feels the need to be #1. How pathetic