This is a painfull subject, but I have been thinking about it for weeks now. WCCO TV did a story on a Scandinavian study that found that ladies who have had breast inhancements were three times as likely to commit suicide. Why would a smart and stunningly beatifull lady such as Lisa Lee think that disfiguring her body would make her feel good about herself.
If I had to look even half as good to feel good about myself, I
would be dead allready.  I have thought about suicide every day for the last 25 years, so I know a little bit about pain, self esteem and depression. Ladies if you are thinking about surgery to feel good about yourself, there is probably something eating away at your selfworth. Think, maybe even pray, about what that might be. Get help if you need it. We (the guys) look at you ladies as a work of art, made by the hand of God, 2 bags of silicon or saline can't improve upon it!

I dunno, it's not like the post was confrontational or untoward in some way.  It would seem to me that well-intentioned posts that aren't about flaming somebody are always in season, even if you don't agree with the post's position.

As for timing, again, I 'm not sure I disagree.  When someone passes on there seems to be some taboo period where talking about, or sometimes even laughing about, our own mortality seems off limits.  I guess I would beg to differ.  It's just part of the human condition and part of the life experience.  It's not like racial remarks or gender remarks or even economic disparity remarks.  It's the great equalizer--the one thing we will all experience around us throughout our lives, and ultimately experience once in our own lives.

I guess I wouldn't be too quick to condemn just because the topic is controversial or the timing makes the reader uncomfortable.

I did not find the post to be distasteful nor flaming,
I do feel that its ok for us to post about her passing and to
talk about it, Why because we suffered a loss and it is very
healthy to express our feeling's of grief at out loss.
While we do not mean any disrespect for the dearly departed
in doing so. We are bringing forth memories of her and dealing
with the loss and who knows maybe in the process we can be of
help to others who may be unable to deal with the loss.
And in closing, it never hurts to post informative and helpful
information on subjects that come to light.
                 Just my ,02 cents          trooper

Someone else brought up the same thing to me privately, which was probably a wiser place to discuss something like this.  

I highly doubt the study showed that there was a high incidence of suicides immediately following surgery.

I thought it was in very bad taste!  I could have let it slide, If you had not put her name in the subject.  We do not know what contributed to her state of mind.  Lets remember Lisa for the person she was.

I read the same article. The timing of the article along with the passing of Lisa Lee and the fact that we all knew about her recent surgery certainly would cause one to pause. But the article did not state there was a high incidence immediately after surgery as twisted stated. Also the study did not not find a cause/effect relationship in the data, I am not sure if WCCO pointed that out but the article in the paper did. I guess the reason I oppose the public nature of the post is because it seemed to draw or at least imply a conclusion in this case, and I do not believe the poster has all the necessary information to draw this conclusion unless they saw and spoke with Lisa Lee after her surgery and Knew that she was depressed And knew it was related to the surgery. If I am wrong and you do know all this then I think the post would be ok, but then present those facts. So if I was worng I am willing to admit it.

I did not mean to imply that the baord should not discuss Lisa Lee's passing. We should not forget and yes it is theraputic to be able to discuss the associated feelings and concerns we all may have. The provider community met that weekend to support each other and I thought that was great, they need to be able to talk through thier concerns, feelings and emotions during this time of loss. I know I am still very sad over this news and the strange thing is that as a hobbiest (I hate that word) I feel isolated and am not able talk with family and friends about those feelings. Lucky for me I am/was able to share thoughts and related a story or two about Lisa Lee with a lady from the community. This was very theraputic for me, thanks again you know who you are

In my family during times of loss we usually gather the evening after the funeral and everyone will support each other. These get togethers almost always end up with roaring laughter relating the great stories we have about our lost family member or friend. We celebrate thier life, we spent the day mourning our loss.

I guess the other reason I was upset by the post was that it seemed very judgemental toward Lisa Lee and any other lady who may choose to have the augmentation. I do not think that is fair. It is a very personal decision and I would think that expressing concern would be ok, but ultimately one should support the person in thier decision. The implication that there is something wrong with the lady that has this procedure or even thinks about it is a bunch of BS, and that upset me when I read the original post. Also the comment related to "this is the way God made you" (not a direct quote) and God don't make junk, again seemed demeaning to the women who have had this done or will have the surgery done. I am sure there are situations where the lady regrets the decision after the surgery and maybe even gets depressed. I am also sure there are many women who have the opposite happen. They feel great about the decision and are very happy with the results, it makes them feel better about thier self image and I think good for you. So it is a personal thing and I would not make judgements about someone simply because they choose to have the surgery.

Just my opinion, and I am sorry it was long winded.

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damn Gyppo said it better and in a whole lot less time. WOW LOL

I am not judgeing Lisa, I thought she was great. Long before the study came out, many people understood that people with low self esteem often look to other means to boost thier self image, like cosmetic surgery. It is often a diversion of what is really wrong.  They were not happy before surgery and are often not happy after, weather it goes well or not.  It does not matter if the suicide was right after or years later. Implants are rarely an effective means for long term improvement of self image.  I just want people to look at why they are not happy with themselves the way they are, before tring something like surgery.  Often it is because of wounds inflicted on them by others. I was worried about her commiting suicide as soon as I realized people were having trouble getting hold of her.
There are a number of other ladies, who I know, that I am sincerly worried about. They also are wonderfull just the way the are.

First let me state that there is nothing more that I could
add to in what has already been said about Lisa's passing.
While I do not know the exact reason for her death, I do know
that she has left us. I only want others to know that I cared
for Lisa, Her and me never seen to see eye to eye but that was
part of the fun that we both had, engaging in intelligent
conversation but keeping it friendly, and never getting angry
over what was said. I respected her as a human first and still
further more as a bright and witty and of course a very solid
woman who stood by her opinion. I liked her alot! even though
she disagreed with me often. I miss her deeply, and lastly
I have always wanted her to know that I cared for her wellbeing
no matter her breast implants or not, I accepted her either way.
All that I can say is that I was supportive of her quest for
her own happiness, and I can rest assured that she is quite
happy now having joined our good lord. I will always remember
her as a attractive and bright woman. thank you to this board
for allowing for me to note her passing and share my grief
at our loss.                         Trooper

Low self esteem is not the most common reason for
cosmetic surgery. The main reason is simply that
a person wants to look better and they can afford it.
To make the blanket statement that implants "disfigure"
is stupid. Most women that go to reputable doctors
are very happy with the results. None of us will ever
know the "why" of Lisa's passing. But, what we can do
is listen to and encourage each other and provide
as much help as we can to those who we sense might
suffer from depression and related illesses.

It was hard to believe or accept, but Lisa did commit suicide.  I'm sad to see such a young, vibrant woman end her life.