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Moonray 9495 reads
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The primary topic of my post was ATTITUDE, not price.  Price was discussed only in relation to its correlation with a condescending attitude.  I wouldn’t want to see the $400+ girl quoted at ANY price.


“I charge what I do based upon how much I want to entertain per week.”

Hmm, I recall mentioning, in a previous thread, that that would be a good way to do it.  My contention, IN A DIFFERENT THREAD, was that the BULK of the 300+ club are just arbitrarily setting their prices at that level because they see other girls doing it, and think they deserve the same rate.

“My phone is ringing off the hook…”

I’m sure it is.  The problem with most of the established providers posting to this forum is that they seem to envision themselves as provider union reps. They defend a $300 price point, not only for themselves, but for all the dead wood members of the providers' union, and attack the reputation and “inferior workmanship” of all providers outside the union.


Food for thought...  Those ladies that charge 200 would raise their rates if they weren't afraid the phone would stop ringing.  Go ahead, next time you see them, ask them that question.

I’m not sure I understand your point.  I think I made the point, in another post, that these girls are realists who do quite well at lower price points because they are more concerned about actually making a profit than taking an unrealistic stand at an arbitrary price point.  They also tend to keep overhead much lower than their higher priced counterparts, so a much higher percentage of their fee goes straight to the bottom line.


"Daytime gent's who hobby allot tend to blame me for their lack of cash flow.  If you can't afford it, please don't call me.  They also tend to be entrenched in the hobby so much that they even come with their own gossip about other providers and hobbyists, which I feel is the root of every problem so far that's happened in this community.”

I wouldn’t know anything about that.  I never initiate discussion of other providers, and rarely have providers brought up the topic with me.  I can only recall three occasions.  It appears to me, however, that the providers on this board are a bit cliquish, and frequently talk amongst themselves about hobbyists.

“And yes, as I take time to spell check my document, I am reminded of how important little details are in life and business as well.  :)

I sure hope that wasn’t a petty dig at me for misspelling “hobbyist” a couple times! Yeah, it was a stupid and embarrassing mistake.  Everyone makes an occasional spelling, grammar, or punctuation error.  The point is that I don’t make frequent errors.  You know that!  I’ll put my record against anyone.  Go ahead and do a search for all my posts.  Compare my error rate to anyone else’s and tell me where I stand.


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Moonray9610 reads

“The interesting thing is...in the $400 and up per hour range you will get the kind of gentleman who actually cares about you and wants to help you with your life. On multiple hour bookings and dinner dates, they will provide fine accommodations and pick very nice restaurants that exude tranquility and romance. I think there is a psychology behind this. The type of man who pays $400 an hour isn't looking to get. He's looking to give and might give beyond.”

Wow!  Now I “get it!”  Average, ordinary HOBBYISTS are a bunch of “freaks, stalkers, and rude mofo’s!”   Providers are setting high rates in hopes of snagging a SUGAR DADDY who will take them under their wing, “help them with their lives,” wine, dine, and romance them.  I’m always polite, respectful, and usually manage to establish a friendly rapport, but now I know providers are expecting much, much more.  I’ve always considered myself a good client, but now I realize just how wrong I’ve been.  I must be a real creep, because I’m not looking to mentor, wine and dine, or romance a girl off her feet.  And yes, I AM actually looking to “get” something for my money.  Shame on me.

It’s funny how this high priced provider was overwhelmed by creeps when she lowered her rate a mere $50.  I’ve heard the low price = creepy clients argument so many times on here that I always ask every moderately priced girl I see about their experience with this.  I asked half a dozen girls I’ve seen charging between $125 and $200 if they’ve had much of a problem with this, and they all said NO.  Then again, these “crack ho’s” aren’t looking for sugar daddies; they are simply providing reasonable full service at a reasonable price.

I’m getting turned off by all this elitism and pretension!  In my experience, the majority of the moderately priced providers are just as well kept and personable as the majority of the $300 girls.  I’ve also never heard any of them slam their higher priced competitors by referring to them as “spoiled princesses,” while their counterparts frequently attempt to discredit them as “crack ho’s.”  I think many of the higher priced providers resent the few remaining moderately priced girls for “dragging down the market.”  The high priced girls would definitely get more business if there were even fewer lower priced alternatives available and virtually every girl charged $300+.

Since I’m not looking to romance and mentor a girl while sipping wine and listen to soft classical mood music in the Jacuzzi of a five star hotel, I think I’m going to stick exclusively to girls less stuck on themselves from this point forward.

-Edited only to correct an embarrassing spelling error.

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I charge what I do based upon how much I want to entertain per week.  My phone is ringing off the hook and I don't want to see that many gent's, it's gross to say the least and my risk level increases as well.  Been there... done that!

I don't consider myself a princess, but I will admit seeing 2 gent's in a day with multiple hour dates is much more my style than seeing 5/one hour dates.  This is why I lower my multiple hour rate.  I'd rather lose $$ to spend quality time getting to know a guy.    

Food for thought...  Those ladies that charge 200 would raise their rates if they weren't afraid the phone would stop ringing.  Go ahead, next time you see them, ask them that question.

Daytime gent's who hobby allot tend to blame me for their lack of cash flow.  If you can't afford it, please don't call me.  

These same high volume hobbyists tend to work that hour "plus" to get the most bang for their buck.  They also tend to be entrenched in the hobby so much that they even come with their own gossip about other providers and hobbyists, which I feel is the root of every problem so far that's happened in this community.  They want to know very personal information about us ladies, asking things they don't need to know or should want to know.  I state in my site, I'm looking for long term relationships, but I sincerely doubt those on a woman hunt of the week read my site anyway LOL.  

I've always tried to be very accommodating with how I treat each person I meet.  I've been getting way too many calls from guys that can't afford 300 and I've been referring then back to City Pages.  Share the wealth right?      

Soooo, in closing.  If you are on a woman "hunt of the week", please do us both a favor and don't call me.        

And yes, as I take time to spell check my document, I am reminded of how important little details are in life and business as well.  :)

Amber Foxxx10245 reads

Misty you put it perfectly.....  I am not sure that I can add anything to that - the money argument has been overdone here as it is, I don't know why it keeps coming up.

Guys, the bottom line, as always - if you don't like the rate we charge, don't see us!  If you don't like how we look - don't see us!  If you don't like the service we provide - don't see us!  I don't begrudge anyone for trying to get more for less, it is the American way, but please stop slamming the girls who set their rates at levels that they feel are acceptable, if we weren't getting business we would be charging less - as it is we evidently keep busy enough to where we don't need to lower our rates.  I know that I wouldn't go into a 5 star restaurant, that may not have any better food than a 2 star restaurant, and ask them to only charge me $20 for a $50 steak or lobster, and then leave a 2 dollar tip for the waitstaff - I know what is being charged when I go in.  

Just my 2 cents,
Amber

Sexme20039050 reads

Yes, I will Agree.  Every provider is different and charges different.  Some clients may not like it and others may love it!!!  That's just the way life goes!!! Be sure there are no misunderstanding when on the phone or when you first meet.  But don't bring the provider down because it was'nt the way you like it, just let her know.  Because other clients may.  Destiny

Misty, you said it very well!  I agree totally with you.  Price is always a big issue with people no matter what the product or service.  Bottom line comes down to, spend what you can afford.  Keep in mind the old saying:  You get what you pay for.  Don't expect a lot from a Yugo.  

There are some ladies that are more than worth their wieght in gold for the serviceprovided and their price.  There are some that  do not meet those expectations.  That is the purpose of the reviews and discussion board. If you do your homework and are careful, generally speaking you will have a great time.

I have only been burned a few times in my adventures. Primarily due the the fact of not checking things out enough. If you are not comfortable with a providers price, exercise your right and not see the provider.  Don't complain about her too high price or any other BS.  Suck it up and move on!  That's my 2 cents worth.

Moonray9496 reads

The primary topic of my post was ATTITUDE, not price.  Price was discussed only in relation to its correlation with a condescending attitude.  I wouldn’t want to see the $400+ girl quoted at ANY price.


“I charge what I do based upon how much I want to entertain per week.”

Hmm, I recall mentioning, in a previous thread, that that would be a good way to do it.  My contention, IN A DIFFERENT THREAD, was that the BULK of the 300+ club are just arbitrarily setting their prices at that level because they see other girls doing it, and think they deserve the same rate.

“My phone is ringing off the hook…”

I’m sure it is.  The problem with most of the established providers posting to this forum is that they seem to envision themselves as provider union reps. They defend a $300 price point, not only for themselves, but for all the dead wood members of the providers' union, and attack the reputation and “inferior workmanship” of all providers outside the union.


Food for thought...  Those ladies that charge 200 would raise their rates if they weren't afraid the phone would stop ringing.  Go ahead, next time you see them, ask them that question.

I’m not sure I understand your point.  I think I made the point, in another post, that these girls are realists who do quite well at lower price points because they are more concerned about actually making a profit than taking an unrealistic stand at an arbitrary price point.  They also tend to keep overhead much lower than their higher priced counterparts, so a much higher percentage of their fee goes straight to the bottom line.


"Daytime gent's who hobby allot tend to blame me for their lack of cash flow.  If you can't afford it, please don't call me.  They also tend to be entrenched in the hobby so much that they even come with their own gossip about other providers and hobbyists, which I feel is the root of every problem so far that's happened in this community.”

I wouldn’t know anything about that.  I never initiate discussion of other providers, and rarely have providers brought up the topic with me.  I can only recall three occasions.  It appears to me, however, that the providers on this board are a bit cliquish, and frequently talk amongst themselves about hobbyists.

“And yes, as I take time to spell check my document, I am reminded of how important little details are in life and business as well.  :)

I sure hope that wasn’t a petty dig at me for misspelling “hobbyist” a couple times! Yeah, it was a stupid and embarrassing mistake.  Everyone makes an occasional spelling, grammar, or punctuation error.  The point is that I don’t make frequent errors.  You know that!  I’ll put my record against anyone.  Go ahead and do a search for all my posts.  Compare my error rate to anyone else’s and tell me where I stand.


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I guess I dont get the point all these posts from people complaining about pricing, availability, elitism, cliques, etc.  Come on!  Aren't we all grown ups here?  Well some of us aren't.  I don't know why ther is such a question/debate about pricing.  The girls what set whatever price they feel necessary for their services.  It has nothing to do with elitism and everything to do with personal choice.  If that is the price they think they are worth and they get it, more power to them.  I am not going to tell someone they are worth less, or more for that matter, becuase they don't do what I want for the price I want.  There are people for every budget.  If you want a lower priced provider, there are plenty of good ones out there, just don't expect everyone to observe their rates.  

As far as affordability and an "sugar daddy's" go.  That too is all person preference.  I choose to see the so-called "elite" girls because I have gotten to know them, the service they provide and a comfort factor that goes along with it.  I am by no means a rich man and probably spend way more on this than I should, but I'm of the mind that I want quality, not quantity.  Sure I've wasted money on some providers while testing the waters, but now have a small group of ladies who I am going to be exclusive with, becuase I know what I'm getting and enjoy the time and $ spent.  Do I get to see them as often as I'd like, no, but again I'd rather have one date a month with somone I mesh with than spend 5 dates with someone I can't stand.  

I've never heard any ladies on this board, or any board for that matter, call anyone with a lower rate or special a "crack ho".  And to say that is rediculous.  Yes I know that all the ladies here don't get along and have their own little groups of other providers they trust, but that's the nature of the business.  They too need an outlet to converse on who are the good, the bad and the ugly (to steal a title from Clint).  If a provider wants to run a special that's her business and if she doesnt and wants to raise her rate that's her perogative too.

Now bring on the hate mail.  Call me a mark/shill for the elitists.  I really don't care.  I actually enjoy it.

"But that's just my opinion, I could be wrong"

Moonray8504 reads

"I've never heard any ladies on this board, or any board for that matter, call anyone with a lower rate or special a "crack ho".  And to say that is rediculous."

Really?  The very girl quoted referred to her $50 off sale as her "crack ho/blue light special."  She wasn't slamming a specific provider, but indicting the entire class of less expensive providers.  That is normally how it’s done, albeit a bit more subtly in most cases.

this price issue thing has gotten a bit ugly it appears.
I venture to say that a provider can request any price and
make herself available for only a specfic time of day or only
available to a set number of hobbiests per day ect, Well that
is her call, not mine. If I am unable to muster the needed
$$$ to have a good time, That is not anyones problem but mine.
But I also can add that those providers whom never spend time
with me are missing out spending time with a great guy, ME!
Of course the provider can also respond that I would be missing
out on spending time with a great provider, HER!
Well I guess that leaves us both missing out on a great connection. US! who ever said that life was fair?
and no I haven't taken time to check my spelling because I think
that the messasge neverless is quite clear. We are all good
people with many different personal preferences, which allows
for to agree to disagree on what is important to each.
this kind of thing occurs each and every day out in the
general public as well in the best of relationships.
be careful on how needs are projected upon others and look to
balance your needs against those who have need for you and
find the happy medium.            Trooper

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