Minnesota

Re: Worth of Eros
Riley007 45 Reviews 3630 reads
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1 / 36

I understand that after FOSTA-SESTA Eros can be held liable if a lady posts her rates, but what are we supposed to do?

I never discuss rates over email or texts; as we have seen in Bloomington that can get you caught up with LE. And today the rate could be 3 roses or 12 roses.  I can't just walk in with $$$$$$$ and hope for the best. I have a budget, most guys do

I try to stick with well-reviewed ladies, but more and more ladies are avoiding TER and other review sites.

P411 seems safer, but not all visiting ladies post there.

Anyway, just comparing notes. Eros is mostly useless now and NO date is worth a meeting with LE.

I can stick with the ladies I have already met, but that isn't why I'm in the hobby.

snafu929 20 Reviews 82 reads
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2 / 36

and it's virtually worthless.  TER has always been the gold standard and more gals that we have participating, the better it gets.  

vorlon 119 Reviews 97 reads
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3 / 36

The address I found for what looks like their HQ is in Switzerland.  If they have a physical presence in the U.S., then they are much more vulnerable to LE than if they are outside the U.S.  But in truth, despite their having been around as long as I have been doing this, I don't find them that useful anymore and haven't for some time.  TER, P411, and Tryst.link are my preferred information sources.

cleavers 85 reads
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4 / 36

The legal issue of prior discussion through phone or text about Franklins and what they are for, then you show up. You wouldn't be in trouble if you never showed up. That's why over 200 contacted LE but only busted around 20.   I've noticed a few times that I don't ask her how much, but some companions tell me, and I leave it at that. Suppose somebody showed up, your SOL. But a great DL would look at that and pick it apart.  

About 411, I've read that some companions are pulling away from it, and you still will go thru the ladies' background check if a client wants to remain anonymous. The days of "no background checks" will end if you're going to see a "well-reviewed" companion. How long will it be before there are no advertising sites left? I just read about when Gina owned 411 and what happened with privacy. So some escorts need to trust 411.  

There are some positive outlooks about changing FOSTA, but the groups that started it are moving forward. But I remember when FOSTA began, there were some considerably named wealthy individuals that we're backing it; if you think they will not get any more cash.

If she is new, it might take 1 or 2 guys to TOFTT before anybody else will go. But the way the legal climate is, will you be the one to take a  chance?  

Communication: This is not 100% foolproof, especially if it's the first contact after it might be safer. But it depends on if the escort tightens up her end of security. I mentioned before it was many years ago with an agency that they and I had a "code word" set up. I could throw a word or two in most conversations, and they would answer correctly. One time I didn't recognize the person on the other end and mentioned the code...nothing. He asked what am I looking for. I said something about fishing.  

But what I was thinking...your opinion matters. In messaging/texting, I'm slowly moving away from SMS into more secure/E2E after, after the first date, and I wanted to have other dates

Riley007 45 Reviews 88 reads
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5 / 36

My IT team blocked Tryst.link and I can't ask them to remove the block.

Riley007 45 Reviews 77 reads
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6 / 36

It sounds like we are on the same page.  

I just booked a first meeting with a well reviewed lady on P411 and she complimented my Okay list. I will be getting her to post an Okay after our meeting.

Eros has too many TGTBT ads with no info to be of any use.  I have found some of the girls on Twitter, which does help. Still no clue about rates. No way I am TOFTT on those.

I will look into E2E. I do all hobby-related texts and calls on a dedicated iPad. I use it for nothing but the hobby. I registered it in my dog's name.

I set up most dates by email or P411 Messages.

vorlon 119 Reviews 87 reads
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7 / 36

You're trying to access provider ad sites using your work machines?

vorlon 119 Reviews 49 reads
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8 / 36

I would say because the ads don't have as much information as on a site like Tryst.link and from what I have heard EROS is significantly more expensive to advertise on.  Also EROS has far fewer ads on it, at least here.  I just took a quick look and EROS Minnesota has about 60 ads while Tryst has around 250.

hardhankk 1 Reviews 87 reads
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9 / 36

Any reason why you can't use your phone?

cleavers 62 reads
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10 / 36

A lot of things have happened in a year. I'm not positive, but I thought all or just Eros, the lady has to show her ID or real identity. There are companions not from the US that will never show ID to any site. She was going to sell her used panties on a website, and she said no because they wanted to know her ID. But she mentioned that she would not say anything about being a companion in that country. In that country, they are more forward-thinking on SW.

If you look at the advertising on the sites for that country, the companion puts in the ad every sexual passion that you can think of. I've never seen that anywhere in the US...ever. It's not a review site but an actual escort advertising site.

cleavers 70 reads
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11 / 36

I figured that if that one group does all those protests around the country. Uses a certain  E2E for communication and was having a lot of success; why not?

vorlon 119 Reviews 55 reads
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12 / 36

I've found the search function works pretty well although when you first try it, it's not as clear on how to use it as it should be.

lockstock 229 Reviews 81 reads
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13 / 36

Jennie --  Eros is a good spot for you because it is more visually attractive (to newbies especially) than Tryst, may attract more romantically inclined and GFE seeking clients, and it feels more alive and in the moment. Tryst is not as good at staying up to date and often has too many stale ads, although their advertisers are more real than other sites.  
Eros also works for you and others in particular because if I Google your contact info it is immediately clear you are real and established. That's the first thing I do when someone catches my eye: right click the contact info. That approach yields no results for an increasing number of providers, and usually I will ignore them.
Verification on Eros means nothing; it has no value. There are currently 3 travelers on there who apparently not only have interchangeable pics, but interchangeable names too! Eros doesn't care and hasn't for a long time.
Nevertheless I check it most days; sometimes reminds me of someone I want to see, a local friend, a visitor I have had my eye on, or (much more rarely these days) a verifiable newcomer.
I know you understand the value of visuals. That's what triggers me, 9 times out of 10, and Eros still leads in that category.

IJMiggs 112 reads
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14 / 36

Mainly because the site advertises directly near me and not a couple hours north.

cleavers 67 reads
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15 / 36

I didn't know what they did before, but I would like to know if its more to do with FOSTA. You're not the only one with the mistrust of uploading your ID. There must be some trust; like in Tampa, they have 207 Ads. So some must trust no choice in certain cities?

cleavers 55 reads
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16 / 36

I think why they do it because of Fosta, even though it's not located in the US

OldRanger 62 Reviews 57 reads
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17 / 36

Eros no long allows rates , your website as it might have rates but for a lot of money allows a classy format
so the newbs can book or others can research.  
Tryst allows more and their sort is not so great but if you log in will not find you add on the back page but moved towards the front.  
Do not consider either of these any safer then BP was without TER or P411

44bernie 1 Reviews 91 reads
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18 / 36

I'm an infrequent hobbyist so but what are everyone's thoughts on Lady's dot one?

lockstock 229 Reviews 83 reads
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19 / 36
paigesavage See my TER Reviews 65 reads
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20 / 36

Same - I remember when Eros was clutch! And for many of us, the crux of our business in terms of generating inquiries that led to actual engagements/dates. Early last year, during my meeting with my accountant and financial advisor, he showed me how much I invested in advertising and the number left me gobsmacked. So, he asked that for 2022 I keep track of where every single client came from. We had my pre-filing meeting a couple months ago and he showed me the advertising number & I provided the data on where clients who actually were following through were coming from, and lo' and behold, Eros had the lowest ROI across the board and especially in Minnesota and the Midwest. It was abysmal. The cities it proved useful in were mostly large cities on the East Coast, Southern states, and Chicago and St. Louis so long as you were ID verified (which after the raid that's another conversation for another day). That being said, it made sense to stop advertising there for Minnesota. However, I recognize that my situation is different - I'm a provider of color, isn't a BBW anymore but isn't thin, with rates *most* potential clients in the Midwest think, solely based off looks, are too high. So it's really neither here nor there for me.

cleavers 62 reads
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21 / 36

You are right; in past decades ago, I think there were around 100 ads on E*ros locally for a while. But there was no other site like that, but the ones were now gone. I have compared MN to ones in FL, and significant difference. At first, after it came back after FOSTA, companions were upset about verifying getting an ad, and still, photos are turned down. I've heard of ladies just wearing lingerie that has been turned down. That's the issue I wondered about and how companions feel about it in the US. Because the ones like down in OZ are more strict in their privacy to sites. But the sites are in OZ and not FOSTA.

In MN, since the beginning of the escort internet, clients have a specific look they are interested in. It doesn't have to do with any race. Example: I was talking to a particular person about an agency. On why in that state, they didn't have any WOC companions. He said he does, but it's on a different site. But he said there is no interest in black females in that major city.  

Some 30 years ago, I saw two women of color more often...years. They said most clients were from the coasts and believed it wasn't a racial reason. It is the men's taste... It's changed, but I still don't see a lot of WOC locally.  

I think it was in the '90s or 2000 that a WOC was "involved" in a legal issue in a hotel. Nothing happened to both parties because they remained silent. Remember, everybody, talking will always get you into more trouble. But while talking to my lawyer about this case, this is what he mentioned. LE and all the Hotels along the strip are to look out for young single WOC and treat them all as escorts. There are continuing programs between LE and hotels.

lester_prairie 12 Reviews 50 reads
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22 / 36

If that's a hint you've lost significant weight, congratulations.  It's hard to do, takes real discipline.

paigesavage See my TER Reviews 77 reads
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23 / 36

It's just a fact. Regardless thank you for the kind words! It might also shock people to hear that I'm actually a Certified Personal Trainer and Sports Nutritionist and have been for the last year. The likelihood I just set myself up for jokes and trolling is quite high but I've found so much fulfillment helping people achieve their health and aesthetic goals. And it's amazing how many CPTs in the Twin Cities actually DO NOT walk the walk or talk the talk.  

That being said, it's worth mentioning I've never wanted to be thin. Even in the military I was very muscular but curvy with some softness. Never passed height/weight but always passed the tape test and always in the "good" or "excellent" category for PT. For me the goal has never been to be thin but healthy and strong. Plus the way I train is more aligned with the Wellness Category for IFBB Bodybuilding which has a primary focus on "sporting fuller hips, thighs and buttocks".

paigesavage See my TER Reviews 73 reads
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24 / 36

By no means am I dismissing your explanation but I think we will have to kindly agree to disagree on a few of your counterpoints.

cleavers 60 reads
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25 / 36
lockstock 229 Reviews 84 reads
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26 / 36

I have never seen this site before, and it's sort of interesting. Looks like a mixture of trash, scam and reality. Continuing to investigate... and it would appear that many reviews are ripped off from TER; it only took a minute for me to find some of mine. Someone has worked hard to put this scraper site together, but it is a scraper site. Interspersed with the scraped info 50% of the ads are scams. All written in that interesting central European Russian scam language.  

And you -- Mr. 44Bernie occasional hobbyist with no reviews -- what do you think of it?

-- Modified on 4/2/2023 4:19:41 PM

-- Modified on 4/2/2023 4:29:21 PM

OldRanger 62 Reviews 75 reads
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27 / 36

As usual you are correct. My reviews there also word for word.  
There sort function leaves a lot to be desired and am sure you can contact any provider you know and ask her how to place an add there she will not Remeber doing soZ
I also wonder how long this portion of thread will last as it is a review site as screwed up as it is.

lester_prairie 12 Reviews 52 reads
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28 / 36

...that you were in the military. Thanks for your service.

44bernie 1 Reviews 81 reads
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29 / 36

That is what I was sensing; that it was taking info. from other sites thus a scam but it is put together well enough to cast some doubt. As far as my reviews, most of my providers have retired or at least no longer want their reviews posted here and have had them removed.  Again, I don't frequently hobby. The few that are still working, well, I know it's difficult to post something negative here so I don't. Lets just say if I've had a negative experience I just move on and should have believed what the negative percentage of that provider's reviews said. Thanks for your thoughts. It is appreciated.

Nago8 4 Reviews 81 reads
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30 / 36

did they also take away your phone, laptop and library card?

Nago8 4 Reviews 52 reads
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31 / 36

Financial advisor?  Thats a good one Paige.  No  licensed and reputable financial advisor would ever provide assistance to people engaged in low level criminal activity, especially when it crosses state lines.  Too much risk for too little benefit.

snafu929 20 Reviews 65 reads
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32 / 36

I did a few minutes of digging on a local massage entity that closed up recently to try and find where they have moved too.  What I found was quite surprising as the registered agent of the company was a CPA.  True, that CPA was a registered agent of multiple entities in a wide range of industry but nonetheless, quite involved in probable "low level crime".

As far as licensed financial advisors, they're likely as prevalent as attorneys or insurance agents and anyone having mid to high 5 figures in investment capital would be a potential client.  I doubt the financial advisor was digging thru her P&L to extract data on how cost effective her marketing campaign was.  

Remember folks, the winter melt can be a dangerous time if you're not careful.  When you see that rake that has been hidden by the white shit for the past 5 months appear again in the back yard, don't do what Nag-o-lot did and run out and step on it.  

Rake 1, Nag 0

paigesavage See my TER Reviews 85 reads
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33 / 36

either you are purposefully obtuse because you love to troll, you just have a humiliation kink, or it's a combination of both. Regardless, I can literally google or log into a private database for providers to look up photographers, accountants, lawyers, financial advisors, etc., from nearly every single state who will work with those in this industry.  

Finally, I think you need to find a new "hobby" because the way you talk about providers, the clients, etc., is really just a projection of how you feel about yourself. That being said, I really hope you heal from whatever it is that you're hurting from.

cleavers 66 reads
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34 / 36

I chuckled about something that came to mind after reading your post...nothing against you. But a few years ago, I had a CD lawyer who is very well known as a CD lawyer. A question came out of the blue because he knew of other lawyers/others that specialize in this area.  

He asked me,  "Do you know if this person is seeing the escorts or getting something extra from them?" A lot of CD lawyers/LE think so. I answered, "I don't know, and I don't care."

vorlon 119 Reviews 59 reads
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cleavers 57 reads
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