This is a general question in re the attitude of Minneapolis providers. Just looking for a GFE while there. Are they all like this [see below] up there? All civil replies will be appreciated. Thanks
Background : I'm "a sane, mature man," RS2K-listed Chicagoan who recently e-mailed a certain Minneapolis provider in re her availability during my upcoming visit to your town. She requests "the following information"
Full name
Phone number
City of residence
Occupation
Age, height, weight
Membership information (TER, P411, etc.) with handle/user I.D. number
Contact information for two references you have seen within the last six months (include email address)
It's all a bit much, I think. Or not enough? [e.g., Why not also 3 credit reports and the last 5 years of tax returns?] I sense no "Minnesota nice" —or any other kind— in this instance.
As a member of RS2K, you should know that providing: your name, city and phone number is part of the verification method for that site.
RS2K is NOT used that much in MN, probably why she wanted more information from you. Without looking at your one review, you may have a provider willing to verify you. IDK, she may be feel more comfortable with a local reference/why the request for Occupation information.
Hobbyists and providers just want to stay safe and play for another day.
Good luck
I would never give out my full name along with a city. Unless you are John Smith, it would be too easy to locate your home and other personal information.
You might think I am joking...and I kinda' sorta' am. But, honestly, sometimes, trying to get even a name out of some guys is like pulling teeth. When I first started in April 2008 and knew nothing about screening, I had several who gave me aliases. I saw them and nothing happened. I still see them under their aliases. I know because they have since confessed.
Sometimes a lady doesn't know your TER handle so can't necessarily check your reviews and whitelists or get a reference that way. Also, in your case, you only have one review and that is not alot to go by. I find it hard to believe that MN is the only place that more would be required. Like the previous poster said, RS2K is not used much in MN, but even then we would need your Name as listed on your DL, City and State as listed on your DL, and your phone number to verify you. And some would not even bother to do it thru RS2K being they are not familiar with it here in MN.
I think a gent should just give the information he feels comfortable giving. If the lady can verify you to a degree that she feels comfortable seeing you, then all is good. If not, she will tell you what else she needs. It may take an extra email or two but many times it all works out without the gent having to send a copy of his photo ID. wink-wink.
You're confusing Minnesota nice with Canadian nice (im from Canada .
That's normal screening protocol. Although some ladies need very little.
I would suggest if you don't like her screening then seek out someone who's a bit more casual.
Have fun! 
Posted By: BrianDG
This is a general question in re the attitude of Minneapolis providers. Just looking for a GFE while there. Are they all like this [see below] up there? All civil replies will be appreciated. Thanks
Background : I'm "a sane, mature man," RS2K-listed Chicagoan who recently e-mailed a certain Minneapolis provider in re her availability during my upcoming visit to your town. She requests "the following information"
Full name
Phone number
City of residence
Occupation
Age, height, weight
Membership information (TER, P411, etc.) with handle/user I.D. number
Contact information for two references you have seen within the last six months (include email address)
It's all a bit much, I think. Or not enough? [e.g., Why not also 3 credit reports and the last 5 years of tax returns?] I sense no "Minnesota nice" —or any other kind— in this instance.
and then here nothing back! Happened to me once and I won't let it happen again.
As others have pointed out, RS2K is not widely used here. Personally, I'm fine with using P411, TER, and provider reference to be verified and have had no problems with the ladies wanting more. But handing out your personal info is too risky IMHO. You should be able to find someone to see up here who does not require that much info. Up to you to decide how much is too much.
I would never fill one out. The sites almost always include an email address to give them what you can (handles to verification sites) and to start a dialog.
I have P411. If that is not good enough for a gal, she won't have the joy of my companionship.
I simply request:
*Your name.
Whichever name you typically use to be verified.
*Your safe phone number.
Some providers will recall who you are based on your safe phone number. Also, you will need your "play" phone in order to communicate and confirm details prior to our date (once you have been verified of course.)
*Your safe email.
Again, the way some providers will remember you and also my preferred initial method of contact.
*Any handles or memberships.
So that I may research your preferences.
*Your references, including the provider's name, website and something to spark her memory of you.
These are very basic pieces of information and not what I would consider sensitive or intrusive.
If one does not feel comfortable filling out the form which is delivered to my email address (an encrypted hushmail account) one may also email it directly to me via the same account. My email address is not listed on my website but can be found on my TER profile and P411.
I don't always know the provider you have seen, so to say "I saw so-and-so, she'll remember me" is rather frustrating. It just means I have to take the time to research her website to make certain she is a legitimate provider and also to locate her email address. I do not use phone to check references. It is a courtesy to ensure she has all the information she needs in order to respond to me. If not, it only results in a back-and-forth which takes more time. It is much easier and expedites the process to simply provide the information requested which I can cut and paste and send off quickly to the provider.
Of course, P411 works very well for me as well. But if someone is not a member, I do require some basic information. If I am not comfortable with what is provided we always can go from there with alternatives but thus far it has been rare.
Easy peasy!
Fondly,
Francesca
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You did nothing wrong, the provider just needs to get her act together.
RSK2000 is very good for screening, and just because she is not a member or does want to use that service is just insane. Why should anyone have to join 10 different screening services to satisfy one provider. Find another provider, especially when RSK2000 is a very good and well known service.
Only 2 well-known traveling ladies use RS2K in Minneapolis. Everyone here uses P411. Do you homework before you travel. If you aren't comfortable offering all the informatiion on the screening form, then see someone else. It's not rocket science. It's just sex..
Obviously you didn't read or comprehend what I said.
Just proves my point even further that your brains are frozen up here.
RS2K is very very well known and almost a MUST USE service in Chicago. But, sir, we simply do not use it to that extent here in MN. If a provider does not travel to Chicago or read the boards as I have and do, then she does not know about RS2K. While I use RS2K when I travel to Chicago, I normally do not. As someone "in the know", so to speak, , I understand and know that I can pay $10 to verify a client when I am not actively advertising on RS2K, which I would happily do. I am familiar with the wonderful work Cathy and Callie and the staff do at RS2K and trust them to do good work. (Btw, on occasion, I still do my own additional research.)
However, just because a provider would decide NOT to use a service she knows nothing about does not mean her brain is frozen. In fact, I would say she is in complete control of her self and her situation in that she is doing what she feels comfortable doing. Just as a gent must give only what information he is comfortable giving so must a lady only do what she is comfortable doing.
Lol! That in & of it's self would detour me from using the service & require an alternative method of verification.
I have used RS200 to verify and would certainly do so again. It is a very small fee and certainly worth the peace of mind.
Like you said "its not rocket science". So RSK2000 should not be a problem either.
Just the fact that you can't figure it out.
go from there. I know I ask a lot of those questions to get what I can for screening someone with another provider. If you'd like to see someone for GFE, it's just a good way to verify.
If an email contacts your refs, you don't want them hanging onto ALL of your personal info, right? Well, most of us DO NOT. Personally, I keep a first name and a few digits of a phone number. I know other ladies who keep a name and an email only. Others that keep a name and occupation only. You see the pattern here...
So if your name is Joe Montana and you are in the hobby and use a "hobby name" just like we all use, then go by Joey Fatone or whatever you like, just use the same for everyone you hobby with. If you live in Chicago but aren't cofortable with having a connection to where you live, tell them you're from Gary Indiana. If you were born in 1966 but look a little younger, tell people you were born in 1970. Just keep it all consistant. It's honestly all for screening with the other providers and to get a general idea of who we are dealing with. No other reason. I don't know what provider that would ever drive to your house or hold onto your info for any reason. Unless you're a jerk who decides to constantly stand us up or short us, then you and all of your info gets reported on the national blacklist or other such sites where other ladies will know to stay away from you.
I hope that helps Again, just my humble opinion and in no way to I intend to speak for all of us ladies...
XOXO
CG
Posted By: BrianDG
This is a general question in re the attitude of Minneapolis providers. Just looking for a GFE while there. Are they all like this [see below] up there? All civil replies will be appreciated. Thanks
Background : I'm "a sane, mature man," RS2K-listed Chicagoan who recently e-mailed a certain Minneapolis provider in re her availability during my upcoming visit to your town. She requests "the following information"
Full name
Phone number
City of residence
Occupation
Age, height, weight
Membership information (TER, P411, etc.) with handle/user I.D. number
Contact information for two references you have seen within the last six months (include email address)
It's all a bit much, I think. Or not enough? [e.g., Why not also 3 credit reports and the last 5 years of tax returns?] I sense no "Minnesota nice" —or any other kind— in this instance.
Thanks to all who have replied civilly. One thing I hope that "providers" of whatever stripe know —although they're certainly free to feel entitled to whatever they think they're entitled to— is that, unlike a dentist when one has a toothache, use of their services is strictly optional and contracted only if the whole arrangement suits the, um, client. It's a big world out there and still —sort of— a free market. I appreciate all the helpful comments.
I am not a member of RSK2 as it is rarely used in Minnesota. I always ask those questions of potential clients who provide no references. It is up to you to determine how much information you are willing to share. I am a true GFE provider and have a very nice upscale location. I am very cautious about who I see and rightfully so. I am sorry if you were offended in any way.
OK call me stupid but if p411 is the verification service why does one need references? Would not references themselves work? I'm so confused!!!
Yes, references themselves work as long as they are legitimate. I had neither P411 or references.
Jillian sorry I wasn't trying to question what happened with you. I just don't get why if someone has paid for verification (p411) there is a need for more (ok's ?). What is p411 for? Sorry if I'm hijacking this thread!
Posted By: Jillian2010
Yes, references themselves work as long as they are legitimate. I had neither P411 or references.
1. is very new to the service
2. has only 1 or 2 okay's
3. the providers who okay'd him are retired, very new to P411 and the hobby themselves, or someone I can't research or is someone I have never heard of (especially true of local gals)
4. there is a long time between his last 2 okay's.
5. Something he has written me seems a little off or strange.
Usually, though, I will just contact 1 or 2 of the gals who okay'd him, check his reviews and dns lists and we are good to go!
Hope that helps!
Belinda
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Having met Jillian and experienced her many charms, we are all better off keeping this magnificent lady safe so the legitimate hobbyists have her around for a long time to come. She's magnificent and worth any screening necessary to spend time with her.
Posted By: Jillian2010
Yes, references themselves work as long as they are legitimate. I had neither P411 or references.
It's included in the info provided by P411. If you don't have any or enough "Okays" it's a little harder though.
Different P411 providers have different levels of "Okays" that they require, but you can always PM them on P411 to see if there's a way to make both of you comfortable.
Perhaps you might read back some history here in MN to understand why we ask for some info......
We love visitors but are cautious due to past "issues" here.
Don't they screen where you are from?
