, the best way to ruin a provider is to lie.  The best way to ruin a client is a lie.  The best way to ruin a scheduler?  Yes.  Who would want to do that, though...

Sorry if Iam a little naive,  what is a Scheduler?

Or does TER not allow it?

Hands down I would like to schedule directly with a provider if at all possible.
In my experience in the hobby I run out  of fingers counting the number of providers that said scheduler schedules for that ai have seen.  
 Some have always been with him, some have left, some have left and come back. With all of these encounters I have Not gotten the feeling from any of the ladies that they were under any sort of duress from him.
By the way it has made it easy to get cleared to a new provider.  
it is also amazes me hat a listof providers to boycott or ignore from the accusers on this board has names of providers on it that do not even use him.
So much for facts

Has not and will continue not to be influenced by who her scheduler is. That decision is entirely mine and will never influenced by opinions and rumors. I think a great many on this board will share similar feelings on this matter

Sums it up for me too. It is a personal choice, how you treat people, and the saying YMMV.

I agree about lies ruining people.  So what is your proof?  Regardless of your intentions, I think you just added to the mess and stirred the pot that I think was otherwise waning

I am calling him out to offer his proof for
HIS accusations. Clients and providers attack each other, but who attacks a good scheduler??? Competition. Why on earth would anyone start spreading rumors about a very reputable scheduler? He accused Em of some pretty horrible things and I want to make sure that I do my part to remind people not to believe shit. Especially from anyone using an alias

It would seem that writing this post is adding to the mess.   Not adding to the mess would be not writing a post about it.  Just MHO

Personally I will not see a provider that uses a scheduler to schedule. I want to deal with the provider directly. One less person having my information is the way I see it. But to each their own on how they want their info out there. And if I miss out on some gals because of it then I miss out.
Plus if even half of the accusations are half true I would not want to have any dealings with the man called Em. The deception has already started by pretending to be a female and it makes me wonder about the provider too if she knows about the deception that her scheduler has already started.  
I know if someone tried to do something like that without my prior knowledge and my livelihood at stake I would be pissed. Plus how much has this man made off of his scheduling by deception? And I have heard from others that he ,like others, have more then one handle on here. it's just more deception on top of deception.
And with his many names how many of the reviews that are out there are written by him just to promote the girls he schedules for? It really makes me wonder. Cause I have noticed that just like the canned email responses that are sent out when you ask for info some of the reviews seem really canned and the same too.
And I personally don't really listen to someone really hyping up a gal on here either cause for all we know it could be all fake too and just PR for the new gals written by someone just to generate business for the new gal.

Not likely he/she will be offering any proof. It's going to someone's grave and this will join the other mysteries and conspiracies of the world...JFK, Area 51, etc.

...too close to home and struck some nerves.

Em has always wanted to be androgynous and still does.  The way you are wording things sounds like you still believe stuff.  

Yes, that would be nice, wouldn't it?  Well, my end hasn't died down AT ALL.  The boards?  That is the tip of the iceberg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZR64EF3OpA

The names I used to start the list were first offered up by Lockstock. I add two more I know from dealings with this dude in the past. You can go after Lockstock for introducing these folks into the fray, not me. I also believe Whitney Cohen used him.  

But what I have heard from several guys is that he lead them on either believing they were talking to the provider at first and then later on when he started saying it was Em and not the provider that he was a she. Androgynous or not he lead guys into believing that he was a she. That is extremely misleading and wrong is so many ways. If I wanted to see providers that use a scheduler I wouldn't care what sex the scheduler is as long as they were truthful about it. And since he has already lied about that it makes me wonder what else he has lied about. His credibility in my eyes is really close to zero.  And I'm not saying all the allegations are true. If you reread my PP you will see I said if even half of what was said was half true its still really disturbing that he did it to start with. And it does bring into the light on what he has said is true and what is a lie. And of course gals like you that use him will back him up. I have never met him or talked to him. So I don't know him and don't have a horse in this race but his actions are ones that are clearly ones trying to cover things up.  

As much as I respect Trinity I think restarting this subject was a mistake,those that choose to believe rumors wont change their mind so bringing attention to this subject dos not help Em's cause. This hobby is based on the deception in men's own mind that they have found a women that is turned on by them, try not paying & see how far you get.

And not get deleted as often happens when someone does not like what is being said.

Very Good Points Pugdog.
Clearly, a number of gents have made the allegation that the individual in question, has on occasion, used deceptive practices, in responding to potential clients. And while seemingly innocent, none the less it is deceitful, and it was intentional. the allegation, is that the individual is to have masqueraded as a female provider, and misled the client in doing so.  

Are you telling me, that I had been doing it Wrong all those years ?
I did not pay them to play into my fantasy, that they actually enjoyed sex with me, I paid them to
Leave !
And now I find out from you, That all I had to do to get them to Leave, was to Not pay them ?  
Damn You Charlie Sheen !  

Some years ago, I saw one provider and found out sometime later that the email exchange I thought I had with her was actually with her SO, who handled the scheduling for her and two other providers.  And I've heard from other hobbyists pretty much across the country that the practice is not rare.  I don't care for that.  I prefer to deal directly with the provider but if I'm going to deal with a scheduler, I want to know that and I don't want him or her to pretend to be someone they are not.  That being said, as offenses go, this one is minor and it's a far cry from the sort of thing Em was accused of below.

Really?  Your end is not dying at all? Tip of the iceberg?

Never going to hear the whole story, I think the OP wanted to start shit and hoped...

I see you, a hobbyist, insinuating that a person in this hobby could be keeping a secret and therefore shouldn't be trusted...

... would probably get a good laugh out of a man putting on the persona of a woman.  I know I had a good laugh when I found out about the original "Em" being a man.  Now of course, it's a multi-person identity, with all but one of the members being female.  

But rather that we (hobbyists) are being lied to and misled by these e-mails.

BINGO!!!!

... it's dangerous to take rumor and innuendo at face value. Which is how this whole thing started, isn't that right?

Thank You !!

Wow!  Kinda funny how you bring up Max after 2 years of them being gone. Really makes me wonder a lot more now.

When a hobbyist contacts an agency, he knows he's not dealing with the provider initially.  If a provider is using a scheduler then both of them should make clear to those seeking to see the provider that she uses a scheduler.

The whole Max mess was a textbook about how badly things can go when people make unsubstantiated accusations and is a useful reminder today of why it is still a bad idea.

Knotsaway hits on a very important subject and that's something everyone needs to keep in mind.  Discretion.  So I'll start by showing you how it's done.

Good point Vorlon but they (the providers and schedulers) don't.

That is correct. His roster of clients are providers using his services. I'm not asking for a provider's list of clients.

Some do, some don't, and some are better at it than others.  I will say that the one time I contacted a provider who used Em for scheduling, I found out in the reply to my initial email that I dealing with Em.

For those of us that want to avoid using a scheduler, and this dude specifically, we should just avoid all well known, well reviewed providers since they are likely to need a scheduler and use this dude. For providers that want to clear themselves of this stigma, they are welcome to declare here (on TER) that they do not and will not work with Em.  

Old 1 to 1 is still at it,hit us with facts or shut-up.

I really doubt there are that many guys who share your thinking.  I'm certainly not going to avoid seeing someone I want to see just because she uses Em or might use Em.

That sir, is some complete and utter bullshit.

Talon=Em, shocking huh?
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J/K

I can also show you 100's of emails of known M gals going back several years showing you that M did not always say it was him. He has only started doing that recently. And it is real easy to see which gals work for M because he uses the same format for both the initial email and how he makes the ads for his girls. Cut and Paste.

I do not nor have ever used a scheduler in my almost ten years as a provider. Knotsaway was very carefully screened by me and is neither a scheduler nor Em. There are other providers who know these two very distinctly different men and will also attest to that fact.

In her/his stable?

Mr. Huck you......don't seem to grasp that some of us would prefer to avoid schedulers, specifically this dude, so a list of his provider clients would be helpful to us. To all that don't really care about knowing who's scheduling whom, no need to comment unless you feel compelled to let everyone know that you don't care. I don't like Brussels sprouts in case anyone cares that I don't care for them.

see how the busy women find the use for an assistant. but why do some women have no time to screen, but have lots of time to write long long responses on here?