I am noticing more and more ads that include a VIP or GFE upgrade to a massage.

I am guessing this means something different for everyone, but how I can I politely get a feel for what that upgrade includes?   I have always been coached to not ask any specific or even sexy questions via text or on the phone, so how do you find out?

Am I just a complete dumbass and is the answer very clear, or is it different for every provider?

Until you screw up and then it is loud and clear or crickets  
Your dealing with women and they are dealing with dicks.
On your second visit you MAY know.

Should you have an idea of what the provider of your choice offers  . Hell yeah. Walking in blind never in your best interest, nor the hobby as a whole IMO.  What you consider VIP and what they do may be quite different.  Are you going to pay extra for some kissing, and how much. Whats that lead to , price creep, and once the bars been set we all are screwed.

 Your correct its going to different from provider to provider, and unless  you have established previous  relationship with them, no will probably  not discuss out of session.   Network  my friend that is how you learn  key information.  It may take time and effort  on your part  but may pay in the end.  

 Lets be real they want  to seperate you from the benjamins. So don't  be a fool about it. Negotiate , negotiate, . Nothing wrong with it if you do in right way.  Basic rule don't  pay for a Cadillac and get Chevrolet  performance. Been there done that and it costs us all in the long run.  

Stupid question no, you just had the nads to ask.

Read up. If they don't have reviews, you're on your own.  Just be sure to write a review and let the rest of us know if you TOFTT!

Not a dumbass at all.

I am, and always have been, just a massage guy.  Was in the hobby long before I even knew about TER.  I’m just giving my two cents on this- not looking to start any debate.  Questions?  PM me, but do so from a handle or alias that has enough reviews (written or received) so I can verify you.  

There are probably as many answers to this question as there are providers (or schedulers) writing those ads.  It can mean anything/everything on top of a basic massage.  It can mean HJ, B2B, full nude, FIV, DATY, kissing, a shower, and perhaps a BJ or maybe even FS.  (Keep in mind some providers in the massage world do not even write their own ads.)

As others have written: do your homework/read reviews and don’t be afraid to ask questions.  You can always ask, but usually the response is vague or they’ll mention the shower option.  Not so fun showing up and dropping $160/$180 (or more) for a FBSM only to learn that even nude costs more.  I’ve been to places where I swear I was going to be charged more to breathe.

My experience, and it has been expensive at times, is that the good ones don’t need to advertise like that. Their reviews (and word of mouth) tell all.  I always wonder, and sometimes even outright ask, if I don’t buy the upgrade, what is my “basic” service going to be like? Shit?  Maybe.  (And I've had that happen where I decline an outrageous upgrade only to have the woman be pissed and go through the motions with a grudge.)  So the question is: is that a risk I’m willing to take when I know there are other really good girls out there with good/great reviews?  Not to mention I have a long list of great gals so I don’t even have to check reviews.  For me, the answer is almost always no. I won’t see a woman who uses such advertising unless I know the woman (via other providers) or I have seen her, and I know what the VIP means.  In one case I know it’s just a shower option.  And with that woman, I prefer to spend my time with her “on the table.”  (I think she prefers that too.)

Another twist is the offer of “next time.”  I fell for that once or twice but will not repeat with one who says that to me.  If my money isn’t good enough for you today, I’m not coming back to give you more.

Last note (sorry for the short dissertation).  Reviews.  As another wrote, please be sure to write solid and HONEST reviews.  Don’t go through a mediocre session and score it 7 or 8 because you blow a nut.  And respect a provider’s wishes if she asks you to not write certain things.  

Good luck!  Be safe!  And write HONEST reviews if you see such a provider

There are ways to ask without being too explicit. You may not get all the information you need, but you'll get some. In one instance, I asked a girl what her VIP rate meant, and she said it was about "covers." Which I assumed meant the difference between CBJ and BBBJ, and not BBFS (I hope).  

It was still a guessing game, but less of a guess.

Thanks for all the replies.   One of my problems is the reviews.   Often times guys are not saying what package they went with, so it is hard to understand.

Especially for women that offer:

massage
massage VIP
Escort
Escort VIP

Many reviews just say they saw them.   Much prefer the "Went to see __________ and took the sensual massage"

I've seen many massage girls where quite a bit happened beyond the typical rub and a tug.  I rarely even refer to the "extras", and one time when I sent too far in a review she asked me to edit the review because "that" doesn't happen with everyone and "I'm tired of guys all expecting that now."  So I usually keep my mouth shut in deference to a woman who has just done one of my favorite things for me.

you nailed it LYT.  I think I shall buy you a beer to compensate your brilliance.  I know a bar around Lake/Lyndale we should meet at.  ;-

Just saying any ho that advertises GFE and then PSE or VIP up grade I pass on.

If am dropping 300 or 400 an hour I want to be treated like a VIP  
Now you see that shit all the time 300 1hr or vip 350 1 hr That is so bullshit. A lot of pages like that now.
Stupid thing is a year ago you got VIP for the same price. Some ho's even put PSE for a upgrade.

I feel if you do anal and BBBJCIM OR BBBJ do it always for your HR rate and not up charge for it.
Calling it VIP or PSE is a up charge. It's not a change of service. 300 or plus per HR should always be treated like a VIP

.....I know exactly which bar you are referring to.  

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Massage is a little more 'outside' with more boundaries.
Gfe is a little more 'inside' and with way less boundaries.

I am sorry this is ever difficult.  It's just sex.

Stay simple,
Trin

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You have been a used of a lot of things lady but bashful is not one of them.
LOL --👍

I like a massage girls who occasionally offer FS. My ATF is MIA. Can anyone give me a recommendation? PM me if you care to share

Which Mia?  There are several.  One of them is notorious for her (obviously) fake pictures.

Trinity Lake is a massage girl who offers more. Not sure how much more you're wanting or how much she'll give you but she'll likely give you something to write home about. Unfortunately, she might also let someone else write about it, too.

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Less complicated without the middle men taking their cut and controlling the conversation in those emails.  Sex is never difficult when others dont have their fingers in the pie.  

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Some of you like to give when reading something you don't like!

...I agree that reviewers should say whether they scheduled a message, or GFE, or PSE session.

You mistakenly thought that was a word to the wise.
 

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You obviously proved yourself the latter. Oops😲

I love you so much!

Gets free sessions? Yeah, I didn't think so. Money is everything.

Love you too baby!! When a friend and someone I care about is being attacked I just have to stand up to the bullies. If that's a white knight then I'll wear that label with pride. These persistent petty bullshit attacks have created a toxic environment on this board and should not be allowed to infect every single post. It's enough already!!! Drop the Mike...Boss out

Because of you 'boss' lol, I may or may not do whatever the fuck I want about her as it's my right.

As for you 'boss out' hahaha, you're just blah blah blah...

If you're friend is female and the bullies male, that's the definition of "white knight," yes. Good to see it be used appropriately.

A white knight. No one else is bringing that up. They're old news, a thing of the past. No one cares except obviously the bossy boy.