I am interested in putting together a list for hobbyists of providers with whom they have had a BBFS experience.

I am interested in putting together a list for PROVIDERS of HOBBYISTS who have asked for BBFS.
 
For my purpose, this is a list of HOBBYISTS to avoid, although it obviously could be used for the opposite purpose.  My intent is to share the list with PROVIDERS only, but I can't control how others would distribute.  
 
Any interest?
 
PMs only please.

I have absolutely no objection to such a list.

I know you mean well but I think it's a really really really bad idea.

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are a certifiable whack job. Nutso. A blithering idiot.
You must stay up late at night thinking of ways to prove it

but if the basic idea of the site is to provide information to hobbyists and providers, isn't this an important piece of information to have.

No issue with me of having a list of hobbyists who want BBFS versus those who don't.

But....I'm wondering how you plan to verify your list? Will you take into consideration that almost everyone with children or a SO has had unprotected sex?  Does it only count if she was paid or do random one night stands get one on the list? A very interesting concept and oh the power it will give you to be the arbiter of "The List".

Who is going to prevent an hobbyist to add a provider name to the list just because he has a grudge on her or because she charge "too much" (posts below)

... How would the list be validated?  Suppose a hobbyist carries a grudge against a provider for some reason. He could tell Uptonogood11, "I had BBFS with ProviderX" and her name goes on the list, although he never had BBFS with her.  Guys who don't want to see providers who offer BBFS will avoid her. And guys who want BBFS will expect to get it from her.  Either way, there's no good coming out of it.  

it is like communism, it sounds great until you think through how it go if put into place.  I have had two hobbyist in the past week ask me about two different ladies and if they do BBFS.  First of all if the answer was yes I would have passed on that and daty.  more significantly I would not answer the question.  

There has recently been a couple of instances where well known, and highly reviewed, massage women have had submitted reviews stating that they provided FS and, as it happens to be, I have visited both of them.  One of the women I have visited on a number of occasions and I'm pretty sure that if she offered FS she would have let me know.  

No way to validate the list, which is an inherent weakness in the idea.  

I'm don't think I have a strong opinion about this idea either way, however I have a couple thoughts.

... e.g. by reading all reviews for a provider in their entirety, PMing reviewers, considering the review history of reviewers, using the Reviewers Only board, and others.

and you'd be wrong.

one already has.

this is fun to watch, but it is in my opinion an unconstructive, even destructive waste of time.

You must have not seen any xxx movies ? It's 99.9% bbfs

Why would the information be less verifiable than any of the other information on this website?  

Good luck with the lawsuit.  
That may well the dumbest I have ever read

An industry that is being driven underground.   California recently enacted legislation requiring use of condoms by porn performers.  The permits for filming in CA has declined by nearly 90% as a result.  Some porn filming has moved to Nevada, but two male performers have recently tested positive for HIV.  This is likely to result in similar legislation in Nevada.

I have had several hobbyists PM me regarding this post and express an interest in a list of providers offering BBFS.  I would say that the number of hobbyists thinking this undertaking is a good idea versus those thinking I am an idiot are about equal.  In any event, the sampling size would be too small to meaningful statement about the hobbyist population as a whole.

So far I've seen a couple very valid posts about bad mouthing providers and about the power of the one w/the list, however I think the best remarks were from the man who said how about assuming anyone w/ kids has had unprotected sex sometime in their life.  
That is true that makes sense....what's next-are you going to ask about condom breakage too.....  

"Anyway how about a list of awesome kissers, ...yum! "

I like the awesome kisser list? You go 1st. LOL

Your comments are uniformly inane, let's take them one at a time:

So you broke down what I said piece by piece, angry much...lol smh.
Ok I to clarify -your not showing "poor taste" for ever asking the question--- it was the conclusion I had issue with.

Posted By: Uptonogood11

Your comments are uniformly inane, let's take them one at a time:
   

 

 So far I've seen a couple very valid posts about bad mouthing providers and about the power of the one w/the list, however I think the best remarks were from the man who said how about assuming anyone w/ kids has had unprotected sex sometime in their life.    
 That is true that makes sense....what's next-are you going to ask about condom breakage too.....    
   
 Really?  Unprotect sex with a significant other equated to having unprotect sex with a provider that has 100's of sexual partners a year?  I don't wish to insult you, but that is simply breathtaking stupid.  In terms of condom breakage, I have had one incident of condom breakage in 10 years in the hobby.  I waited 90 days without partners and got a clean test back.  I know that the provider did not engage in BBFS based upon how mortified she was at the breakage.  Do you not realize the difference between a rare accident happening during an encounter versus deliberately engaging in an activity?  Hundred's of unprotected sexual encounters versus a rarely occurring mishap.  Which do you think is more likely to produce an unwanted infection?  
   
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 I think this topic may be interesting but the way you discuss it (or at least the "conclusion" you've come to) I find to be in very poor taste.  
   
 I am truly mystified by this comment.  What on earth is in poor taste?  
   
 seeking to provide useful information to the hobby community?  
 deeming information received to be insufficiently large and unreliable as to not be worth communicating?  
 not sharing the identities of the providers mentioned to me because the information is unreliable?  
 concluding that based upon what I perceive as an increase in BBFS I may exit this activity?  Is self-preservation in "very poor taste?"  
   
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 This is life there  are no guarantees...people WILL say things that are untrue, gals & guys alike (SOME) will continue to partake in risky behavior [sic].....  
     
 I agree with this comment, but the implied conclusion that participants should remain uninformed as to the activities someone does.  I would hope that TER would provide a line for BBFS in their provider profile.  I am completely agnostic regarding individual providers or hobbyists engaging in BBFS (whatever ever they enjoy), but we know about DFK, CIM, Pussy Licking, Greek... Why not BBFS?  It is just communicating to hobbyists a menu item.  
   
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 Some have commented about not enough providers speaking out, but i'de [sic] like to point out the question was never asked to us....you didn't offer the request of hobbyists that ask for BBFS....  
   
 I don't have the ability to restrict anyone from making comments here, but the rationale for asking hobbyists is simply that providers could simply indicate to clients that they offer BBFS.  In as much as providers can and don't, not much point in asking is there?  
   
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 So why would we chime in & besides most people seem to understand this topic has a high potential to become quite negative so why bother.  
   
 Not stopping you now, is it?  
   
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 I'm really not trying to offend you- but I just want to say what I've been thinking & feeling throughout this discussion.....  
   
 Could have fooled me.  Your comments are criticizing a discussion that is concluded.  Why not influence the discussion when it is ongoing?  
   
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 IMHO you toss dirt onto the hobby itself w/ the conclusion of "you may just get out of this hobby all together"    
  are you also going to refrain from ever having one night stands possibly while drinking what if she jumps on you b4 you realize or a condom could breaks....how about being diligent with safety & your healthcare    
     
 Baffling.  How is asking a question about who engages in what activity "throwing dirt" on the hobby?  For the umpteenth time, I don't care what activities people chose to engage in, I am simply seeking to be informed as to those providers that provide BBFS versus those who don't.  God bless a provider who does BBFS, but I would choose not to see her.  As to one-night stands, it has been at least 30 years since that has been an issue for me.  I am diligent in that I engage only in protected sex and get tested about every 90 days.  
   
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 Anything can happen at anytime, as a provider there is a whole realm of thought to consider and I'm not sure if you know but when someone's raped they can get medication immediately to help negate any possible STD's  that could be true  for anyone  who has a good head on their shoulders and a doctor they are comfortable with.  
   
 What is the point here?  Yes, anything can happen at any time.  Yes there is medication to prevent STD's in case of rape.  Is a provider offering BBFS going to get the medication after each unprotected encounter.  I don't think so Tim.  
   
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 Personally  I won't do BBFS. Yet I understand the men that prefer that feeling and IMHO that's why female condoms are so very awesome.  
   
 Good for you.  
   
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  Anyway how about a list of awesome kissers, ...yum!    
     
 TER already has a category for kissing, no tongue, LFK, DFK.  The qualitative differences can be addressed in reviews.  
   
   
     
   
 

until you opened it up again.

Don't you have better things to do with your time...

Let me get this straight:

yes I did, must have failed logic in college.

Please do, and take your negativity and schoolboy gossip with you.

I will point out that in my original series of posts, there was nothing negative.  I commented and sought information on a controversial subject.  Thinking that the topic was going not going further, I stated what I thought I had learned.    No negative comments until a certain provider decided that my conclusions were "in poor taste" and "threw dirt on the hobby".  Her comments were so poorly thought out it actually equated BBFS to an occasional condom breaking.  I called her out on it.   I would do so again.

The dumbest what?  Your sentence lacks an object. In that respect it's a bit like your thought process.

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First comment KUDOS for having the guts to start this post!

For example, if a provider is said to offer BBBJ when she doesn't, it may be very annoying for her to have to deal with guys who come in expecting BBBJ but it is a problem that is relatively easy to fix.  But if she is said to offer BBFS when she doesn't then that is a much more serious problem.  While I don't doubt that BBFS occurs and probably more than most of think, it is still something that can have serious negative consequences that others data errors do not.