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"Johns" NCNSing... UGH!!!! Frustrating!
khloe_mn See my TER Reviews 2607 reads
posted
1 / 31

Alright, I know none of us are perfect.. Ive had things come up and so on.. but really fellas?
As a provider you make it really hard on us! If you dont like my prices, description, etc.. and your not going to show up then just say so!! Dont tell me "ok, i'll call when I get close." I dont book back to back or over lapping but sometimes its hard to turn down a call or a few calls because one is supposed to show up and you really have no idea if hes really going to! I would say on average 1/4 of all the calls that tell me they are coming, dont show up! This is very frustyrating for me, because like I said, I dont book other calls because 1 said they were coming. And also, from the time I get off the phone til you arrive I am getting ready, make sure my incall is perfect, smells good, new blankets, etc. And then you dont show up and im sitting here all dolled up for nothing.. :(

I would say this happens far more often to the girls then to the guys.
Any input from other providers on this subject?

I have a feeling most of the men on this site wouldnt do this because you are hobbyists and probably wouldnt book if you really didnt want to but i'd love your input too.

-- Modified on 11/7/2011 1:07:23 PM

MsChayse 1615 reads
posted
2 / 31

Is this an exaggerated estimate? I probably get an NCNS about once every three or four months! Where are you getting your business from, & are you screening at all? Sorry, but in all honesty, if you are getting that many stand-ups I would think it is more likely attributed to poor business practices.

khloe_mn See my TER Reviews 1457 reads
posted
3 / 31

Poor business practices? No, I do not screen my calls. They call, set an appointment, ask prices, etc.
I realize it is probably where I advertise that attracts these kinds of johns and my personal screening over the phone, but still. Half may be a little exaggerated but close. But thats also probably because when I post I get plenty of calls and alot "book."

khloe_mn See my TER Reviews 1518 reads
posted
4 / 31

Well I suppose it depends on what you mean by screening

MsDynamite See my TER Reviews 1441 reads
posted
5 / 31

I'd first put rates in my advertisement or have a website with my info.
Most hobbyist will think an upsell will ensue later on during encounters if they have to ask you .
so they'll go to their plan B thus standing you up.
if you have reviews make sure they can find them that way they know you're legit.

If none of that works well then Idk what else to tell you other than hang in there it happens to everyone.

khloe_mn See my TER Reviews 1857 reads
posted
6 / 31

Thanks for the advice. I go back and forth with putting my rates up.. But I see the logic in putting them on my ads. Plus less flakes call... But I dont upsell and I have it on my ad that I have reviews..

dfree3305 2 Reviews 1136 reads
posted
7 / 31

Well so far I have to agree with the providers who have posted on this and that you need to screen these guys better.  Not only are you making yourself more vulnerable to jerkoffs that don't know the first thing about being a descent human being but you are also leaving yourself open to LE.  I understand the need to post ads on places like BP in order to get business at the start but if you truly want to get the NCNS' to stop being so frequent, you should require the reference of at least one other provider that way you won't get people who go on BP and think that it is some big drunk joke to call a provider and schedule something only to laugh with their pals after hanging up the phone.  I personally think that any guy who is smart and "dips into" this business will do the proper research and eventually end up on a site like this or P411 like I did and while I am sure that not every hobbyist here is the perfect example of man, you are more likely to find truly interested people on sites like these.  I hope this helps you realize how important it is to screen people and I hope you have better luck with the NCNS'...

Posted By: khloe_mn
Alright, I know none of us are perfect.. Ive had things come up and so on.. but really fellas?
As a provider you make it really hard on us! If you dont like my prices, description, etc.. and your not going to show up then just say so!! Dont tell me "ok, i'll call when I get close." I dont book back to back or over lapping but sometimes its hard to turn down a call or a few calls because one is supposed to show up and you really have no idea if hes really going to! I would say on average 1/4 of all the calls that tell me they are coming, dont show up! This is very frustyrating for me, because like I said, I dont book other calls because 1 said they were coming. And also, from the time I get off the phone til you arrive I am getting ready, make sure my incall is perfect, smells good, new blankets, etc. And then you dont show up and im sitting here all dolled up for nothing.. :(

I would say this happens far more often to the girls then to the guys.
Any input from other providers on this subject?

I have a feeling most of the men on this site wouldnt do this because you are hobbyists and probably wouldnt book if you really didnt want to but i'd love your input too.

-- Modified on 11/7/2011 1:07:23 PM

rembrnt 14 Reviews 1675 reads
posted
8 / 31

Without having a link to an ad it would be hard to say for sure but it sounds like advertising might be an issue if you are having to discuss your rates so often. General rule of thumb you want to discuss your rates as little as possible much less on the phone. These things do happen specially if you don't screen as you get more people that are just trying to see what's up. Some times you also get people that at some point feel uncomfortable at the conversation and will just say sure I'll call you I'm close just to end the conversation since they don't want any more attention. Make a conscious effort to see what things you might say that might spook someone or is you have clients that you trust and see regularly ask if at any point you have said anything that might have driven them off. Best of luck.

rambleon1 200 Reviews 1486 reads
posted
9 / 31

Who are you? Reviews? Where do you advertise? If you want good quality clients, this board is a good place to start by placing an ad on the Regional Ad Board. The guys on this board seem to have a high ethic regarding honoring appts.

ssa5 6 Reviews 1667 reads
posted
10 / 31

I would go even further and add this question: What is your personality or attitude on the phone? That can be a big difference maker. Back when I was really new here I set a date with Kiyanna. So nervous I managed to spill coffee on my lap on the drive over, twice. By the time I parked and was in the elevator I already forgot the room. I think honestly if she had not called me wondering where I was I may have just left. On the other hand I did have a situation once with another girl. Something came up and I had to delay the appointment. When it came time to call her again I just got voicemail and left it at that. Why? Because her attitude and personality on the phone was so grating that I just lost interest all together, and not called her since.

Point is that I think a lot of guys are going to be more like me, extremely nervous, shy, etc..and might just be afraid to contact you again for even stupid details. My very first time I had no clue what I was doing, and did not know the 'system' of two calls and all that. When I got to the exit I quite frankly did not know what to do. Some guys may just be too nervous and decide to leave. I however felt very comfortable calling this girl to explain that I might be lost. The reason why was her attitude to me was so friendly. In fact the very reason I made an appointment with her was because she was one of the very few who seemed friendly, where as others who had posted ads just seemed annoyed that I would even be bothering them at that late hour of 9pm on a Friday.

So, say I call you Khloe and your kind of bleh on the phone. I drive out to the location, get lost, or something happens where I might be late even. But if your attitude is kind of unfriendly I might just feel it is too uncomfortable to call and explain why I am late, or that I am lost, etc.. Not making assumptions here dear, don't think or remember calling anyone named Khloe, so just takes this in a general sense ok.

Posted By: MsDynamite
I'd first put rates in my advertisement or have a website with my info.
Most hobbyist will think an upsell will ensue later on during encounters if they have to ask you .
so they'll go to their plan B thus standing you up.
if you have reviews make sure they can find them that way they know you're legit.

If none of that works well then Idk what else to tell you other than hang in there it happens to everyone.

khloe_mn See my TER Reviews 1841 reads
posted
11 / 31

Yes, I think I get alot of "feelers" and should probably start posting prices on my ads. not sure what i would say over the phone that would spook people but I guess I will see about that. I can usually tell when someone isnt going to show up but then some do, so I always try to be prepared.

khloe_mn See my TER Reviews 1220 reads
posted
12 / 31

i'd like to think my attitude is pleasant, in fact alot of people i see have told me they booked based on my voice and attitude.
I appreciate the feedback. Sometimes i am short on the phone and that may be it.. i will try new approaches

MsDynamite See my TER Reviews 1443 reads
posted
13 / 31


Should definitely get them linked to your handle and join a reference site like P411 as well.
you can always place ads on the local ad board here too. :)

Posted By: khloe_mn[/usernme]Thanks for the advice. I go back and forth with putting my rates up.. But I see the logic in putting them on my ads. Plus less flakes call... But I dont upsell and I have it on my ad that I have reviews..

johnsmith15m 25 Reviews 952 reads
posted
14 / 31
oldguy666 65 Reviews 1450 reads
posted
15 / 31

I was a newbie six months ago, and I'd echo the one poster about newbies being nervous, etc.  Also, if your first point of contact is the phone, then, yes, your voice and attitude are ALL IMPORTANT!!  I've talked with some ladies who seemed like I was interrupting their great life by calling.  That first call--that first impression--is all-important.

Having said that, I prefer it when a lady has an e-mail as the first point of contact.  That way, there's not the danger of "immediate" decision-making.  You--and he--can have time to reflect on what's been said in the e-mails, and can respond after some reflection, rather than having to make split-second decisions on the phone.

And, like others have said, getting a Web site is a good idea.  You can post your rates, photos, FAQ's, etc.  FAQ's will help your screening process, among other things, as it will cut down on the dumb questions.  And, remember what the best ladies say: the rates are for time and companionship only.  You don't need (or want!!) to get into specifics on your Web site or ad, or even, really, in e-mail or phone conversations.  Let those come when you meet.  Emphasizing that there is no upsell will help, too.  

Spend some time surfing some of your fellow providers' Web sites for ideas.  There are templates out there that make it easy for you, so you don't have to have too many techie skills.  I'm sure lots of prividers would be happy to give you tips on setting one up.

But, finally, using sites like TER and others is great.  I began by prowling BP, and knew nothing about TER until a provider mentioned it in passing.  I've hung out here ever since, and have had only one bad experience (a top-rated provider who must have been having a very bad day that day).  So, hang out here, at least, if not also on some of the other sites mentioned.

Good luck!

og

-- Modified on 11/7/2011 6:11:27 PM

MisstraKnow-It-All 1340 reads
posted
16 / 31

Sounds like this is your your full-time business.

So, why not treat it like a conventional business and invest more of your time and money in good marketing and screening? Find out what others are doing and copy the parts that work for you. At the very minimum, get the VIP here so you can reach out to fellow providers and others for ideas.

You probably have some excellent responses/ideas in your inbox already!

kylalavi See my TER Reviews 956 reads
posted
17 / 31
TrulyMsMocha See my TER Reviews 1282 reads
posted
18 / 31

.... I screen and screen well..... still maybe not half but i'll be damned if it's still not about 1/4 ..... imo where or how you screen doesn't neccessarily equal the success of them showing up. I've gotten a lot of flakiness and bs from guys i've screened off date-check, p411 AND HERE esp here.  But i'm in another market right now (Washington DC area). I don't get blacklist happy but damn if I don't get tempted. So...... there. lol

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vorlon 119 Reviews 1174 reads
posted
19 / 31

You will develop a reputation for NCNS yourself.  Develop a reputation for being a reliable provider who provides a quality experience and over time you will develop a better client base with plenty of regulars who keep coming back.

chased68 1 Reviews 938 reads
posted
20 / 31

To offset the back luck you had, if you are available on Sunday the 13th, i'd be open to possibly arranging an over night...catch a movie etc. Out call to my hotel...I could help with some light screening, so you know I won't be a no show...etc. I am not 100% certain of your BP ad, so I thought I'd ask for it here...as well as your reviews on TER. Let me know if we can work something out.

Thank you and have a good one.


khloe_mn See my TER Reviews 1649 reads
posted
21 / 31

I will never start double booking, but guys who ncns make me want to. I'd like to say I have a decent reputation, 7 reviews that I believe are in my favor, although Ive only been able to read the whole review on the older ones. I have plenty of regulars who sometimes are the only ones I see, but I like to "branch out" and meet new people. Thats one of the perks of the job, at least from how I like to look at it. I have been a provider for a few years now, and somewhat know the ropes, although i'd have to say, your never going to know everything. I post on bp and here, occasionally eros, citypage, and just got a profile on p411. I of course prefer seeing ones with references, a p411 account or something I can verify, but I also try to not make it TOO hard for those just trying to get together and have fun.. Its a confusing world out there for all of us, and sometimes you just dont know which way to go with things. Be too strict and turn away calls or loosen up, while still following your gut. My gut has never gotten me in trouble before. ;)
Thanks for all the input, I was really just trying to see who else has dealt with this, not so much hearing from providers saying it never happens to them, but thanks anyway!
I will continue to provide the best service possible, the best way I know how, withg maybe a few tweaks.

P.S. To all those trying to send me a PM.. Im not a vip and cant read them. Check my posts for my email!

Posted By: vorlon
You will develop a reputation for NCNS yourself.  Develop a reputation for being a reliable provider who provides a quality experience and over time you will develop a better client base with plenty of regulars who keep coming back.

push_pull 1164 reads
posted
22 / 31

Are you...

http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion_boards/viewmsg.asp?MessageID=144125&boardID=21&page=

...or...

http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion_boards/viewmsg.asp?BoardID=21&SortBy=DateCreated%20desc&Search=khloe&SearchType=1&DayFrom=120&DayTo=0&MessageID=147432&frmSearch=1#147432

So I don't know which "John" had pulled a NCNS on you, but if you're therefore presumably a "hooker" then I'd say it's kind of an occupational hazard. Maybe you should get another job, such as an escort or masseuse?

oldguy666 65 Reviews 1385 reads
posted
23 / 31

Khloe,

I bet you'll get a lot of business from this thread.  I'd love to put you in my bucket list.  But, I can't find your ad or your e-mail address (which you say is in your posts).  Can you give us the link to the ad or give us your e-mail?

Thanks.

og

Kalinasandiego See my TER Reviews 1470 reads
posted
24 / 31

I feel for you. I really appreciate the responses from hobbyists who are nervous.  You have nothing to fear with me! I also screen much more now. I recently had an Instant messenger schedule, I am visiting. but when I tried to e-mail to confirm, the e-mail was no good. You just have to be careful.  but you can always e-mail a referral and see if she knows the  person. Otherwise ask for their name and Google them or call their work land line to hear their Voicemail. Or work e-mail where you just put something in headline like Inquiry but nothing else. I do not put prices at all except on website from now on. Time and companionship, I add modeling, only! That protects some from LE. I am an older gal so I always hope they are looking for the underage and brothel type set ups, not a sexy mature gal like me!  Hope that helps.  All this I got from a generous provider.  Some do not share too much, but others are girlfriends 4 life, so hope that helps. Kalina

Pauper063 8 Reviews 1373 reads
posted
25 / 31

Have to agree with oldguy here. Just one other thing to add.

Please, if at all possible, have your expected donation amount be available before I speak with you, so I have some idea what I'll be committing to if I call you. 'Sticker shock' is embarassing, and I'm sure I'd be tempted to NCNS if I didn't realize until too late that the lady I'm talking to is out of my budgetary league.

Khloe's current Backpage ad does contain this info, and I appreciate knowing it up-front.

doors4ever 1233 reads
posted
26 / 31

I'm the fool that thought I had an appointment with Khloe, sent her an e-mail, asked if she wanted references, she did not, told her I was driving in from WI, she said call when I get into Mpls, after a long drive I called and suprise-no answer. She later tells me my name didn't match my e-mail address.
Why not bring it up sooner-there was plenty of time. Major time waister!

khloe_mn See my TER Reviews 1001 reads
posted
27 / 31

You called 2 hours before the appointment and I did not answer. Wasnt that a sign not to drive here? Besides, you didnt know my location and you signed your name diffently on the last email to which I did not respond. Sorry I didnt make it more obvious. I didnt even have your phone number because you never called prior to that day, like I had asked. I didnt answer my phone at all that day because I was a little concerned.. You even tried to set up another appointment with me after because you realized it was your fault. You are only mad because I wouldnt see you.

But in case anyone would like to see where he has discussed this before and where I have tried to defend myself, I will link that below.

Posted By: doorstorm
I'm the fool that thought I had an appointment with Khloe, sent her an e-mail, asked if she wanted references, she did not, told her I was driving in from WI, she said call when I get into Mpls, after a long drive I called and suprise-no answer. She later tells me my name didn't match my e-mail address.
Why not bring it up sooner-there was plenty of time. Major time waister!

doors4ever 1755 reads
posted
28 / 31

Face it, you have a long history of NCNS, everyone should be forwarned-I thought that is one of the things this board is for. How about instead of the $50 discount you are currently advertising, send me  $50 for waisted time & fuel. By the way in regard to your use of the term "johns"should we start referring to the providers as hookers ?

doors4ever 1170 reads
posted
29 / 31

The mistake I made was trusting you. You had my phone number and my e-mail address. You had no intention of keeping this appointment yet you never notified me, or voiced any concerns about my name or e-mail address until I posted the NCNS message. All anyone has to do is read thru the posts to find out what your all about.

Apollo-x 1373 reads
posted
30 / 31

That is grounds for banishment. Don't try it again.

Kalinasandiego See my TER Reviews 1025 reads
posted
31 / 31

LOL I just wanted to find one good man! Oh well..San Diego and Dallas here I come! Kalina

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