Hey Guys
New to the hobby and the MN scene. I am looking to schedule my first session with a provider but the well reviewed providers ask for prior reference. Wondering if you have any suggestions/ tips on providers who accommodate alternate verification methods, so that I get started with a session or two and start building my reference base. Will appreciate the help.

Thanks

Look at who who would like to see and figure out what information you would be willing to give up.
Then reach out with an email explaining your and asking what she would need you to provide and if there was no way she would would she know someone that would/
Not sure what it takes to join P411 now but profiles there have providers that list newby friendly.

hey I remember being in that position 20 years ago but maybe this plan may work. A group in southern metro south of minneapolis has a scheduler which I have found very fair in what she needs to set you up .....she represents Mia, Julia, Nina, Camilla, Ava, and several others . If you email to any of them it will go to Rosa, the scheduler, explain to her what you said in this thread and see what she asks for. Once you see one of them and are not a creep and may get asked back then you can see  others of the group and Rosa will give references for other groups or independants if her group gives you a thumbs up........so play it cool and make the lady like you. Happy hobbying...read those ladies reviews and see what excites you before you reach out. hope this helps.

Thanks for sharing !  
Between Covid and being laid up off and on over past couple of years and my white list disappearing, when I would try to schedule with any of ME girls they would always rejected it if I even received a reply, because all my reference were old.
Hopefully In the coming weeks I'll be able to give it try, I find more then one of those girls good candidates.
Thanks again for posting !

your thread I think is shared by alot of the guys out there right now trying to connect with the ME ladies. I do not get it, they post an ad everyday but anytime I respond to try to learn more to set up ......its like crickets, never an answer. A thread a couple of months ago had Paige chime in on a thread about this with some great suggestions (which I tried) and even her suggestion of what to write did not help either. I am not even getting a reply to even ask for a reference but I guess their loss...Right ?? haha

many independents will not accept references from agencies because the reference comes from the scheduler and not the actual provider and MNE is considered an agency. It behooves agency providers to not give a negative references even if there has been issues to keep the money coming in.  

 

otherwise, I agree with Ranger… see who you like and see what information you’re willing to give up. While P411 can be hit or miss depending on the provider (there’s much debate regarding P411 being a verification site or an advertising venue), you could have third party verification done with them but you will have to provide real world information and employment information to P411.  

 
Good luck, darlin’ & welcome to our panty droppin’ world!

I put this together some years ago based on my experiences and those of some other fellows.  Hope it helps.

1.  Check out the newbie board; lots of good info there
2.  Get the VIP membership so you can see the review details and have access to the PM system
3.  Spend some time learning how to use the search functions for both reviews and the discussion board so you can identify ladies you would be interested in seeing based on the criteria that matter most to you (ex: looks, menu, rates, etc.)
4.  Figure out what kind of verification the ladies you would like to see require and how you can meet those requirements.  Some ladies are very particular.  Others are more flexible.  It's OK to contact them about it if you are not sure; just remember to be discreet.  Any  explicit questions will likely get you disconnect or otherwise ignored.
5.  Some ladies advertise here or on other sites that they are newbie friendly; keep an eye out for that.
6.  Consider joining a site such as P411 that pre-screens potential clients.  Some escorts will accept membership in such sites as satisfactory verification.
7.  If you are still puzzled by something after having done research, please feel free to ask questions.  I think for the most part we are willing to help out so long as we think you are not just freeloading on what others have learned.
8.  Develop a bit of a thick skin; some people are going to be jerks regardless.
9.  If an ad or offer looks TGTBT, it's probably TGTBT.
10. If you find yourself in any situation that doesn't feel quite right, trust your instincts and walk away.
11. As a newcomer, stick with well-reviewed ladies.  It's harder when you are inexperienced to figure out who the legit providers are from the fakes and scammers when they don't have reviews.
12.  Google is very useful.  Searching on a phone number or other info from an ad in Google can sometimes save you a lot of grief. Google Image Search is another very useful tool to search for other places where pictures in an ad are being used.
13. To help uncover ads that are using someone else pics Google Image Search and Tineye are useful tools.  Much better to find out ahead of time that the girl you are thinking of calling is using the pics from some porn star or model or that the pics have been used in ads from one side of the country to the other.
14.  Get an anonymous hobby email that is not through your work, school, or anything connected to your real life (yahoo, hotmail, gmail, etc.) and use it for all your hobby email activity and for nothing else.  Be sure you include nothing that identifies who you really are when you create it.
15.  Get a prepaid phone that you use for nothing else other than hobby phone calls and pay cash for it and whatever refill minutes you buy.

thanks a lot for the suggestions everyone. I was able to find a well reviewed provider and her scheduler had reasonable verification requirements outside of references. Had a good session. Will be posting a review soon..

MNE is not an Agency, it is a website, and although many of the girls that post ads there have a working arrangement with the owners of the website, not all do, and independent providers post ads on there as well.  So you can, in fact, see ladies who advertise there, and not be dealing with an agency.  

(Tsk Tsk Paige, you should know better, especially considering your recent post about getting a scheduler, something I wholeheartedly endorse, it will make your life easier in so many ways that you cant even imagine right now, but are you implying that you will have said scheduler forward all reference requests to you?)

On a personal note I will say P411 is pretty much at the higher end of this lifestyle and I have never once had any difficulty in using it, or had a negative experience, and I can humbly say I have quite a few "OK's" on there.  That again comes down to how safe you feel disclosing what information.

The problem is how do you know in which group any particular provider falls.  It's not like the ads make it clear.

often times, when the groups in the 'burbs are discussed, they have been referred to as the MNE groups, etc. etc., so I operated under the assumption that we all were, for lack of a better phrase, "on the same page" about MNE. However, it appears not. That being said, MNE is a website where some independents do advertise but the vast majority of the providers on said website ARE affiliated with an agency. I digress.  

 
Personally, I see a difference between a "scheduler" and an "assistant" but that's a discussion for another day. Suffice to say, yes... my assistant will complete the whole screening process and then create a "client one-sheet" consisting of the information I require, who their references were/what they said, and their behavior during the booking process. So while my assistant will have to deal with all the emails, I'll just have to read one and reply to her with a "yes" or a "no". Although I will be entrusting someone to do my screening, at the end of the day I'm also responsible for my safety and security, so I'm going to be the one who has final say on if I see a client or not.

 
Oh, and I've had an assistants before in this work and when I was in Corporate America. Sometimes they do make life easier but sometimes not. All I know is they are not always what they are cracked up to be and finding a great one takes time.

And you made one major assumption that so hurts discourse and polite conversation in today's society,

You assumed you were talking for everyone, and that all "right" thinking people would agree with the way you think they should think, and accept it as the way you think it should be.

I can point out to you, several times a day, women who don't work within the constraints of what you think that website is, who post on MNE, who have strict and rigid screening processes, that you just blatantly dismissed.

Please keep commenting on this website, but do refrain from acting as some all omnipotent source who's wisdom we should all obey.

Alright. Once again, it's not a matter of what I think the website is; frankly it's what this board as a whole has made that website out to be. There is a large majority of people who genuinely believe that website is agency operated. So kindly start correcting everyone else while you are at it. In fact, I recommend you take the time to make a clear thread on the matter.  

Also, I hate to hear that you think the opinions and thoughts of little 'ole me comes across as some sort of "omnipotent" know it all. I don't think of myself like that at all and based on the PMs I receive here, neither do most of the client accounts nor the provider accounts who refuse to participate. However, that is your opinion. I don't agree with it but I respect it.

I don't require references, I figure everyone has to start somewhere

Stay safe, babe!

But I am not espousing my opinion, I am stating facts.

They are pesky little things, those dirty little facts, they don't conform to what I, or you, or anyone, want them to be, they just are, and any amount of wishful thinking, ignorance, or denial, doesn't change them.

That simple little rule actually applies to all aspects of life.

That's enough about any preconceived, or erroneous, assumptions about a particular website.

I do not want to have conflict with you, but you do try to come across as the "teacher" trying to educate all us poor stupid men who have no clue.

You try being non confrontational but there is certainly a demeaning "you don't know what it's like, you don't what you are talking about" style that you do use.

I'm sorry that you felt the need to throw things like "that's what everyone else thinks" type of comment towards me when you are one of the ones who tries to tell everyone here that they are probably wrong and should look at it from a different viewpoint, as if any other viewpoint is not acceptable.

Do keep in mind, some of us here, quite possibly myself (I won't disclose my age), may quite well have been doing this longer than you have been alive, and those of us who are decent men, good clients, and good people, know this lifestyle more than you not only think we can, but quite possibly more than you do currently.

I will say to you this, I honestly hope you can find clients like I am talking about, who can change your preset condition mind, and have genuine connections with them in what ever aspect that occurs, and that it enriches your life.

There's a lot of hyperbole in your response. After reading it, there appears to be a bit of projection.  

 
At no point in time have I ever referred to any of the men on here as "poor" or "stupid" nor have I implied it. Looking back at my posts, rarely, if ever have blatantly said someone is "wrong" because I don't think people are "wrong". The men here have valid insight but so often I read that there isn't enough provider input so I do my best to provide it. I know it’s a risk for a woman to speak assertively, but I express my opinions here very directly. It's not in my nature to use flowery language to protect people's egos. Y'all don't, so I don't. Fun fact: did you know that when women present themselves as being intelligent, articulate, and assertive they are less liked than men who present those same traits... much like you did in your recent response.  

 
If we are going to discuss how people talk to one another, then allow me to be frank. You also try to be non confrontational in your replies to me but there is certainly a demeaning "dumb whore... who does she think she is" style that you use.  

 
Finally, in regards to your "honest hope" for me - it's rather passive aggressive so kindly keep that "hope" to yourself. I'm well aware there are decent men, good clients, and good people who know this lifestyle... I know because I meet them and have genuine connections with them. They've taught me so many things, shown me parts of this world, provided different perspectives, and have invested in me in ways that I am incredibly grateful for. The one other major plus about those fellas? They realize that they know a lot about this "lifestyle"... from a client POV... but they don't understand it from a provider's POV.  

 
Good luck to you Big Boy Pants... and be blessed.

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Hyperbole: "exaggerated statements or claims not meant to be taken literally."

I did not exaggerate or make any claim that I did not mean for you to take literally.  I wanted you to receive my commentary and take it quite literally.

Throughout your response you completely ignored the point I was attempting to convey to you.

Allow me to quote you: "They realize that they know a lot about this "lifestyle"... from a client POV... but they don't understand it from a provider's POV. "

I am telling you that not only have some, perhaps many, of us, been doing this much longer than you have, we also understand this from a "providers" viewpoint, and we may actually know more about that, and are very well versed in it, than you.

I'm not sure what your point about "fun fact" was.  I actually seek intelligent, strong, capable women in this lifestyle. You may have read some study that was predetermined to prove that men act in a certain way but that certainly doesn't describe me, nor all of the men who post on here.  Intelligence is sexy, competence is sexy.

If I establish a long term relationship with a provider, whether it be just being a likable, dependable, and trustworthy regular, or move into a friend or relationship aspect, I only do that with woman who have a brain, have a plan, an "exit strategy" and long term plan and goals that quite possibly may not involve me.

The point I was trying to convey to you is that you post in such a way, and articulate your comments in such a way, that you appear to believe we are uneducated, inexperienced, and in need of being shown the right way to do this, and that you are the correct authority on how we should comport ourselves.

You see, since I am quite knowledgeable in this lifestyle, and actually do understand where some of your opinions come from, I do not discount it.

Timewasters, screening hassles, "chatty types" who don't want to actually book with you but want a pen-pal for free and don't understand they are distracting you from being successful in your chosen line of work, "Send me pics" without ever committing to an appointment.  Client who do pass screening but become aggressive and demanding in person, Guys who just can't perform simple life functions like being clean or brushing their teeth, the ones who grow attached and want to text and email you constantly like they actually are your significant other and want to occupy your time because they aren't looking for an amazing hour with someone they find attractive, they are looking for a relationship, the "I saw this in a porn movie and want to treat you this way" type (to which there are ladies that will perform said action, for an additional fee, but it probably won't make said clown their best friend), and on and on and etc. etc.

Let's not forget two of my personal favorites:

The clown who wants to have a sugar daddy type relationship and then threaten to use his monthly support of you as a control mechanism and dictate how you live your life and what you do.

The bargainer from the outset, "That's too much", "You are wrong, you should only be charging "this"" "Drop your price in half and Ill come see you" Like you have been waiting around to be told you aren't worth what you think you are and they would "deign" to come see you if you were only agreeable enough to understand that they are right and how you feel about yourself and what parameters you have established for your business don't matter, you're just a "dumb whore" and don't know what is good for you.

And that's enough of telling you I know exactly why some of us are more educated than you can believe.

And I will close with this.  You said "but there is certainly a demeaning "dumb whore... who does she think she is" style that you use."

I would never call you a whore.

END OF MESSAGE

OMG.....make my day, smiled thru the whole thing ....what a great way to end this thread !  
good job T C G

Vorlon's list is gold.  He was nice to share it with me when I posted the newbie question almost ten years ago.  It's as valuable now was it was then.  I still observe the principles it contains.  I do a few things differently now (eg. burner app vs burner phone) but you should consider and find a way to incorporate each of the points he makes.

Thanks, Vorlon, for helping so many of us with your sage advice.

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