My advice is to move on and try another provider.

Lots of other providers with great reviews to suit your taste I am sure.

There are variations on screening procedures based on current political climate and location.

For example, if I were to experience temporary insanity and decided to travel to DC, I would pretty much require DNA sample and first born.

IN NYC or Vegas - Datecheck, P411 , if none than EITHER 2 references OR work verification.

In Chicago, RS2K is a must.

And in MN (when I finally make it there) Datecheck, P411 , or references only.


HOpe this helps

Lina

"They are safer with a "hobbyist" than they are with their so-called boyfriends, who beat them up and steal from them....If a woman is uncomfortable dealing with unscreened hobbyists she should consider getting a real job."

LOL

You are absolutely right, that was so wrong on so many levels...

love your posts

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How far does one have to go to provide references?  I called a local provider last week to set up an appt.  I only do this once a yearin MPLS so I gave her the name of the last two I saw, in November of last year and in 2008.  I also gave her one from Chicago I saw in March of this year.  She wanted something more recent.  Since I have not seen anyone more recent, I explained I was a 9 year VIP member of TER and she could see my review history there.  She then asked for contact info for the last 3 gals I saw, like I keep that in my back pocket.  I just said sorry and moved on.
I find it hard believe every new guy she sees has to go through that.  Maybe she doesn't see guys unless they see a provider at least a couple times per month and those providers will vouch for him.  It was very odd.  
Sorry for the alias but I may try her once more since she has great reviews.

Years ago, I went to a massage parlor and was asked to fill out a "registration" form, and did.  I don't know what I was thinking of!  I was always very uncomfortable that this form was sitting in their file.  Eventually, they moved, and then closed, and way over ten years has passed, so I assume I don't need to be concerned any longer.  

However, I'm not going to do it again, under any circumstances.  Providers claim they need this for "their own protection."  What nonsense!  They are safer with a "hobbyist" than they are with their so-called boyfriends, who beat them up and steal from them.  Imagine the squealing if I demanded references from a provider "for my own protection."  If a woman is uncomfortable dealing with unscreened hobbyists she should consider getting a real job.  I know that sounds ridiculous, but it is an option.

While it may have been weird to you, it's not uncommon. Quite a few girls require recent references to see them and/or work information for verification. You shouldn't be offended by it sweetness, it's just for our safety. Maybe you can ask her if she would take any other methods of verification.....Hope things work out for you!

Kisses & Licks,
Foxxxie

Our reviews are our references.....

1. nobody, hobbyist or boyfriend, is beating me up or stealing from me, and i'd like to keep it that way. which is why i screen - also to avoid self-righteous people like you

2. this is a real job, i pay my taxes, donate to charities, go to school, and probably make far more money than you, so maybe you are the one who should get a "real job"?

3. there are lots of providers out there who don't screen... in fact, it probably would have taken you less time to quietly find one of them on this very board, than to write this message.

I will bite my tongue on the rest.

And WORDS OF WISDOM APPEAR!!!...There may be hope...dadadundaaadaaaah. (crazy movie tune)

Thank you for that Lucky.  You couldn't be more right.

There will always be the girls that screen and those that don't.  Whatever they want to do.  It's a personal choice.  As mentioned, everyone has their own way of screening.

You (the hobbiest) know exactly who I am when you come to see me.

I, on the other hand, would have no idea if you are who you say you are unless I screened.

You say you're Joe Blow, but so did Officer Joe Friday when setting up the sting a while ago.  Ask those girls if they wish they had screened.

I'm not saying screening is fool-proof because it is not, but it sure makes the odds a bit more fair.

You know we are legit by our reviews, as stated earlier.  (The providers that are established.)  We on the other hand should just take your word for it that you are Joe Blow and let you in our incall, or come to you?

I have WAY too much to lose for that to happen.  I need to feel safe by knowing that you ARE Joe Blow and it is not a free ride downtown without passing go.

Can you just see it from that standpoint for a minute?  Should we believe every caller?  Sure, come on over right now!  I believe you!  

You guys have the option of not giving out any information at all.  That's fine.  Go on to the next provider.  It happens a lot.  Have fun. But, aren't you afraid if a provider you don't know can see you right away without screening you?  That's how you get to be a TV star.

Everyone should play the way they feel comfortable.  If you don't like the way someone does, don't see her.  Don't come on here and bitch because she's doing what she needs to do to feel safe.  Move on to the next lady.  

If you want to see her badly enough, you'll do whatever it takes to make her feel comfortable.  Trust goes both ways.

I'm done now.
Hugs,
JD

(Edited for clarity)


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If I gave you the impression that my post was specifically about you, I owe you an apology.  Actually, my post wasn't directed at you at all.  I don't know you, or anything about you.  I've never heard of you.  I wouldn't presume to offer opinions about you, because they would have no basis in fact.  

I have no objection to you requiring references.  That's your business.  Prior to responding to you, I looked at your advertising.  Your reference requirements are not going to cause either one of us any inconvenience.

In a thread from a couple of days ago you basically take the position that an escort who openly advertises as such, has reviews, etc, is at fault if someone calls her by her escort name in public; that she was basically not being careful enough.  Now you say escorts asking for references is nonsense, even though they do it to protect themselves; i.e., they are trying to be careful.

Just a tad inconsistent there I think.  You are acting like you really think very little of escorts in general even though you apparently use their services.

If that is her firm policy there's not much you can do about it.  Perhaps you could contact her again now and see if there what she might be willing to accept given your situation and see if you two can work something out.  But you might well just have to find someone else.

Actually, you are correct that reviews are a form of reference.  It's simply a different form of reference from the ID check or employment check that many providers demand.  The review demonstrates that the provider is likely to perform her part of the intended transaction.  Similarly, the advance payment required by many providers demonstrates that the hobbyist is likely to perform his part of the transaction.  

I have no objection to advance payment.  My objection is giving personal information to the provider that will stay with the provider after our business has been concluded.  

By the way, you have some excellent "references."

LOL, thanks! But understandable!

Your conclusions are fine, if you accept the assumptions and misrepresentations that make it all work.  I think that posting provocative photos and descriptions of her sexual habits and appetite puts a woman at risk.  As a result, she had an awkward moment in a casino.  Since she claims never to have met the man, he could only have recognized her through her advertising.

Demanding the ID and employment information from a prospective customer does nothing to lessen the risk of this type of incident.  Providing such "references" requires that I trust the provider to respect my privacy and I will not accept the risk that she might not.  

Actually, I enjoy most providers.  I do get impatient with the few that seem to lose sight their own importance in this process we all seem to enjoy.

Mildly annoying when one is a member of a verification service like RS2K or the old MFP, and one contacts a provider through that service and she wants references.  Why are you involved with P411 or its brethren if you don't accept their screening?

I know, lots of possible reasons and the providers are at the greatest risk, but . . . .

Actually, I think most providers could overpower me.

It's a good thing that some want a referance. After all we screen them! If you are a gentelmen and be nice, chances are you will get to see her. I am new to the seen. I had no probelem getting screend! Just be a gentelmen!

Are you intentionally trying to not get laid?

I know that I do accept the screening service's approval.  It is a HUGE help.  I even give discounts because of the service used.   To tell another story that hasn't been mentioned, much less appreciated.......a hobbyist contacted me for an appointment.......it took me 4 days of verifying him with the scanty information that he gave me through several emails.......and he wanted at 1/2 hour appointment.

If someone (mainly LE) has infiltrated the service (as is rumored), then it becomes touchy.

A hint to MN shoppers.......use P411.  I use and pay for RS2K when touring Chicago.....but I haven't been there in a year.

if you can't provide us with a current reference?  Hmmmmmm?

Besides that, alot can happen in a year.

A couple of things.

The whole statement about boyfriends stealing and beating the girls up was uncalled-for and unnecessary and shows you dot have much respect for the providers.

I've had different experiences with the screening process and the more you go through it the easier it gets. With that said if I feel like a provider is asking for too much information I'll simply state I'm not comfortable with providing the level of info and if she is willing to work out an alternate method that works for both we make it happen. If not I politely excuse myself and move on.

My problem with the whole references process is when you give your refrences and the provider doesn't give a reference or doesnt answer the inquiry and then You get a random call or text asking if you want to meet. That just boils me over.

Initially I thought the whole process was a hassle but now it doesn't bother me and it shows me that safety is her primary concern.

What irks me is providers that have a host of reviews and even post on the forums however don't bother to get a provider account so you can pm them or they can check your reviews and use your reviews to contact the providers for references. I mean what is the purpose for this community if we don't use it for what it's meant.

Calm down.  Your imagination is getting the best of you.  This discussion isn't about you either.  If I ever make a comment, of any sort, that is directed at you, I will specifically mention you.

Note to All Readers:  The preceding four sentences were specifically directed to the person who posts to this discussion under the name "remylively."

I want providers to ask for references. I also would like them to follow up on them.  I recently gave a provider 3 references and when I called back a couple of days later she just hadn't had the time to check. I moved on, there are just too many quality girls out there.

On a side note, I would also like to be more memorable so that when a provider is checking my references they don't get a "who" from the previous provider.  I am thinking of a tattoo.  One that is right above my junk and says "things below are larger than they appear". They should remember that.

You did more than say posting photos and descriptions of her activities puts her at greater risk; you essentially said it was her fault.  In my opinion, that makes as much sense as my saying that because you are at greater risk of an auto accident if you go out driving that you have only yourself to blame if some careless driver hits you.

I did not say an escort who asked for references was reducing her risk of being recognized in public; I said it was a technique some use to be careful and try to avoid seeing LE or bad clients.

We'd remember just TALKING about that  one!  That's hilarious!
Hugs,
JD

If you can show me where I ever used the word "fault" in this discussion, other than in this sentence, I will buy you and Ms. Remylively a hotel room so you can meet, pat each other on the back to your hearts' content, and entertain each other with stories of how told me off and put me in my place.

Didn't it suddenly get very quiet in here?

Oh, I noticed you didn't come out and say it straight out.  But after having read your posts several times it is hard to draw any other conclusion.  If that is not correct, then perhaps you should clarify matters in plain language.

v not that anyone needs to get your back but TCP would better TCB   if i were a provider and some one had that handle my response to him would be stop begging.

I suppose, if there was sufficient interest, I could post a separate "easy reader" version of my posts.  So, far, you and Ms. Remylively seem to be the only two readers that are struggling.  I don't have any problem with you disagreeing with me, it's the exaggeration and misquoting that causes me difficulty.  

Nonetheless, I'm willing to work with you.  Why don't you try reading the troubling posts to yourself several times, out loud and very slowly?  If that doesn't help, let me know and we can try shorter sentences with one syllable words.  We'll do whatever it takes!

DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH SCREENIMNG SOME OF THE MEN PUT PROVIDERS THROUGH?  WE COMPLY THE BEST WE CAN BUT WE GO ON BLIND FAITH.  DO WE GET PICS OF YOU AND ALL THE INFO WE PROVIDE.  I THINK AS A MAN YOU NEED TO CONSIDER ALL WE DO TO MAKE YOU FEEL SAFE AND COMFORTABLE ALL THE WHILE WE DO NOT KNOW ANYTHING UNTIL YOU ARE AT OUR DOOR IN OUR HOMES.  ALSO CONSIDER THAT NOT ALL EXPERIENCES Are GOOD ONES FOR US SO I THINK YOU NEED TO REMEMBER WE ARE PEOPLE AND IT IS OUR RIGHT TO FEEL JUST AS SAFE AS YOU DO  AND YOUR GET A JOB COMMENT IS WHY WE CHECK LOOK HOW FAST YOU ARE TO DEMEAN HER WHAT ELSE MIGHT YOU DO

All this would be fine, if we were not paying you for your role in the transaction.  But, we are paying you, and the money should, presumably, help to smooth out some of the emotional "rough edges" that you cite.  If that doesn't work for you, you may wish to consider another "job."