or just paranoid?  Had an appointment I backed out of for a massage because I wasn't comfortable with the location for one (could of dealt with that) but also..fricken police cameras right near the front of the building.  Emailed those concerns to the lady and she told me it was for the bar next to them and some crime in the area.  Well, that may be the case but you can't tell me they aren't watching everything in the area then.  And I can't believe I'm the only one who would get scared away by it.

I'd be uncomfortable going to a place like that as well.

So you are saying even though there where police cameras I should of went anyway?

was hoping it wasn't just me

Just some questions.....

http://theeroticreview.com/discussion_boards/viewmsg.asp?MessageID=166069&boardID=21&page=

If things don't feel right you shouldn't go forward with it, but I agree with BM that a good faith gesture would have been to offer her some compensation. Its not her fault there are cameras outside the establishment. The ladies talk, it's as important for clients to maintain a good reputation as it is for the ladies.

... including downtown (see linked article for an unofficial map of cameras), and large parts of north and south Minneapolis.  

No one, provider or client, should ever be uncomfortable in any situation. SO I do understand why you would leave or anyone else. However, you just cost that provider money. What you may not know, she may have told other people no because you were coming and now she is out that donation.  
My suggestion is have her meet you outside so she is on camera as well while meeting you. Or just do not visit that location again. But I would feel guilty of costing that provider a donation.

1. It was one of them little pull trailers that says minneapolis police all over it.
2. Couldn't tell, couple little round dome thingys.
3. Just north of downtown off nicollet. email from provider said there was some crime in the area.
4. A few reviews but this was a new place to her from what I understood.
5. It was incall only, not something she had to get specifically for me. Not the only incall.

no one likes to lose money, I understand that.  Things didn't feel right to me, sure chances are they may have been, but I wasn't comfortable with it.  Isn't staying safe one of the top rules of this hobby?  Should I feel bad for not wanting any trouble?  Again I understand no one likes to lose money, for THAT I'm sorry.  I was plenty pissed off when I let my guard down back in July and got taken for a HELL of a lot more then the 140 donation I would of payed here.

Did SHE offer to pay you for YOUR time..... which you could not make up? Who in their right mind (in this hobby) would tell someone to come over to there residence and NOT warn them about an 18 foot tall police camera they have to walk past?

Same thing for guys and gals, if it doesn't feel right...hit the road. The only thing you owed her was a call telling her there are cop cams and I'm outta here.

Yes it was one of them. plus it said police all over it.

There are some neighborhoods I don't venture into and I make that very clear when communicating.  

If I were you, I would have offered her some compensation to make up for it. Not her fault that you are uncomfortable with cameras that she probably didn't know about (unlikely she would have booked there if she knew.) Plus, she could have turned down other appointments or reserved that room especially for you.

Wow. Sorry for trying to be safe.  If you believe some of what you wrote I think we're all in trouble.  No I'm not afraid of being on camera or walking by a camera.  I wasn't comfortable with it. Period.  Legitimate, reviewed providers are not immune from the law.  Like I already said, it was incall, there was no room reserved just for me.  And I did contact her after the fact, she knew the cameras were there and also informed me of some crime in the area.  Thanks for the dumbass comment but I'm a little smarter then you're giving credit for.   Sounds like you had a bad night and are taking it out on me.  Whatever, I'll let it slide because you basically just told the board you think you're above the law and nothing bad can ever happen and safety shouldn't be a top priority.  If it's gotten you this far in life, well then, rock on.  I, and I'm sure many others here would rather be a little cautious and not have to pay for it later.  Peace

Thanks, that's what I was trying to do.

I never said not to use caution or that I or any provider is "above the law" (when did I say that? lol. Don't put words in my mouth.) In fact, I said to be very careful regarding who you are dealing with, and to avoid group situations where many people are all involved in an illegal activity. If you do these things you have a much greater chance of being safe than by simply scurrying away from cameras. But hey, if you do everything, including the camera scurrying, maybe you'll be super extra safe. Or maybe you'll just get unlucky and get arrested anyway. Who knows.  

You say not to put words in your mouth, take your own advice.  Read a little more carefully also.  It wasn't a hotel and it wasn't a hotel camera.  It had POLICE written all over it.  You may not have said you were above the law but you're certainly coming off as you are.   I wasn't comfortable with the situation so I left.  I don't get what the big deal is.

I'm not really referring to "hotel cameras" specifically but rather just using the term to encompass cameras near (or if they happen to be in) hotels. Either way, they're both used to record shit.

Casey is right about the premise of her question. Two people having sex has never been a crime.  

I wasn't calling you a dumbass, I was replying to you calling me one in the original post.  I don't know what to tell you that I haven't already.  I was uncomfortable with the situation.  That's all.  Maybe I'm a little more camera shy then you.  I'm sorry for that.  I have no desire to argue about this either.  If it matters I'm very easy to get along with.  Sorry it reached this point.

re: jchan. I do agree that he should be careful. I never said he shouldn't be, and have personally left several situations myself where something just doesn't "feel right" but I can't even place what it is. I just wonder what facts these feelings are actually based in, and if anyone has any real info on them - especially when it comes to cameras and LE monitoring (like, what is it that they can actually arrest you for in a hotel if you aren't doing anything in their presence?)  

keep in mind that 'hobbying' is an illegal activity and being arrested, even if you're NOT convicted, can lead to some serious problems.   if a situation doesn't seem safe to a hobbiest then he needs to follow his instincts and do what he feels is best for him.   no shows are unfair to providers, but if a hobbiest has some concerns for his safety then its justified.   if this particular provider knew the camera was outside of her building then she should have told the hobbiest about it and let him decide if he wanted to still make an appointment.   its an unfortunate situation but I don't think you can fault the hobbiest for playing it safe.

Dear Casey,

To his question .... He wasn't looking for anyone's opinion ... He was looking for validation.  

So if a gal tries to have a "cancelation fee policy" she thinks she's " so special"!!!!????!!!!!
          Ummmm.....did you really just say that?  
Because that doesn't seem very nice, in fact this topic is just "beating a dead horse" and seems to now be about  
Getting in insults! Come on!! Think before you write! Better yet lets all just move on! .......
What another beautiful day it looks like today, I'm looking forward to a low stress, happy day & wish the best to everyone else out there =)  
Keep smiling,
~Mindy

I would have split too. Even the best reviewed ladies can get reported by neighbors and we all know LE is looking to nail as many people as possible.

I personally do not feel you were irrational but rather just cautious.  It is always better to error on the side of caution than to get caught.   That said, big brother is watching everything we do nowadays.   If the camera was located in or near a large apartment building, hotel, etc, I would not be too concerned.    Most, if not all, apartment buildings have security camera's as do public places such as bars, restaurants and hotels.  As long as you do your homework and she does her homework prior to your meeting, I believe you would have less to worry about.      

Whether the charges stick or the "evidence" is enough to make it to court is a rather mute point.  The damage to a persons family and professional life is already done.    

I go to a number of doctor appts at a number of different clinics.........they all have cancellation policies requiring a 24 hour notice and charge a fee plus do not allow appts to be made in advance if you cancel inside that 24 hrs notice.     So, should providers have a cancellation policy?      If the said provider had a cancellation policy, would he then be obligated to pay the fee in this situation?    Just curious as to your opinion on this.

If you don't feel safe, exit stage left, as you did.
We all have that right.

"better to save your air craft & crew to fight another day, than to press a bad position; select Zone 5; you can extend and escape..." (Commander Mike Mitchell, call sign VIPER; from TOP GUN movie)
or, my golf instructor says: "when you're looking at a putt, and for some reason it just doesn't look right to you... back away, look again, and set up again.

You are right Mindy, I shouldn't have said the "so special" comment.  I humbly apologize!

Are you paranoid about closed circuit security cambeeras too?  Because those are everywhere. I'd be more worried about what you can't see vs what you can .

They have good reason for those cameras, would I hang out downtown at night? Nope. Especially that particular area.  People get nuts over there & constant violence.  
If you aren't doing anything wrong you have nothing to fear but here's my reaction;

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It's not rocket science & could spare both parties alot of headaches.

Tough to do when we don't get the location until right before the session.

Really?! He acknowledges he wasn't necessarily fond of the area to begin with. My bad. This guy did know he was going into a territory he wasn't pleased with. Why not cancel then?

Not to argue, just to clarify, email from provider about crime in the area didn't come till after the fact.  I wasn't aware before I went.

Actually, I don't. I get the name of city. That has been all. I call an hour before, than I get an address. So now, you're saying I need the address 2-3 hours beforehand, thereby upsetting the provider for calling early. Please don't generalize his situation with us "guys"

Sorry to hear that. It does seem odd to me as well as senseless. I'm not looking for an argument BTW & don't mean to be confrontational. Apologies if I sound that way. I am more confused than anything. I just hope the OP & provider can come up with a solution that "satisfies" the both of them. (pun intended) Lol!

I agree. No harm, no foul.

Casey you seem somewhat selfish in your responses and reasoning.   Or perhaps ignorant to other peoples needs, worries, etc.

Started this thread looking for other peoples thoughts and opinions.  I certainly got them, for that I thank you.  Whats done is done and all any one can ever do about the past is learn from it.  Time to move on to better things.  Good luck and Happy Humping to all.  Peace...Mike

I agree, it always baffles me when someone asks if I'm in a safe area.  

is to use your spidey senses, if it doesn't feel right leave. It's a little late when a cop taps you on the shoulder. It sounds like she knew they were watching the neighborhood, not for her but for other trouble, and chose to share that information after the fact when he contacted her to tell her he's not coming rather than just NCNS her. Would Mike have been safe, probably. Does he or anyone else KNOW that he would have been safe, unlikely. There is risk for both she and he in every encounter, both weigh that risk and decide if it's an acceptable level of risk. Telling anyone they should go forward when they don't feel safe is crazy. I wasn't there so I don't know how I would have reacted but I do think calling Mike out for his reaction goes against the advice given to most right here. Hopefully the police move on from her incall so her business doesn't continue to suffer. Just my humble opinion

That applies to both hobbyists and providers.  The fears may amount to nothing but the consequences to being wrong are too severe.  I have been canceled on a number of times over the years while en route, sometimes even last minute, and while frustrating, so long as I am not left hanging, I accept it as part of the cost of being a hobbyist.  The same applies to escorts.  There is a cost to doing business.  Not every appointment works out.  I refer you to the following post from earlier this year for a well written analysis that I believe also applies here.

...to solve our problems. We need more golf analogies!  

I have never left a scenario and jilted someone without compensation without a very good reason. Once was with someone who was nearly 1.5 hrs late, gave me a very shaky reason as to why he was late, and only called once (at 15 mins late) to say he was at the bank and would be there soon. This naturally brought to mind LE and I left (though I do think I could have cancelled just based on his rude lateness.) I highly doubt compensation was required in that case, but if you think so, please make your argument.

Casey .. you are smart and Dead ON!! .. It is hilarious how paranoid dudes are .. this is not communist China.. it is the USA ..

Hey Minnesota .. if I don;t give my Massage therapist at my Chiro 24 hours notice of cancellation they charge my card 90 bucks ! ... just sayi