I visited a provider and upon entering on a side table was a day planner with names, phone numbers etc penciled in at various times/dates. Made me wonder how much info is retained by providers? Call logs on their phones have our numbers, saved e-mails, even PM sent here. How easy if any of them got busted with all that info for Le to trace back to clients!

I'm curious whether this provider you refer to is a provider who consistently is well reviewed on TER. I have always presumed that providers that get great reviews for appearance and performance are also very professional in the way they conduct their business and understand the necessity for discretion. That maybe a rebuttal presumption.

I would think they could get anyone they wanted, if they wanted to go to the effort.  It is up to you to make it not worth the effort.

How many stories are there of the busted madam giving out all her client info after she's busted?  If one of the verification sites isn't good enough, there are about 2 Billion other holes to plug.

This gal mentions she is just tracking her activities, not the people she is with... kind of interesting to look at.

Prostitution is a misdemeanor.  In order to charge, someone in LE needs to be witness to the agreement to perform a sexual act in exchange for money.  Think about a provider who was no longer enamored with a hobbyist.  You could not have her complain about him as there would only be two witnesses and [presumably] tell contradictory stories.  LE provides a neutral, reliable witness.

I've seen my fair share of well reviewed TER providers who have not protected private info whether it be in written form or electronic.

All those things make it harder for LE to trace anything back to a real person in such a situation.

Discretion is paramount.  Now I don't know what was in her day planner exactly but keeping a log is giving LE a record.

Perhaps I have unreasonable expectations regarding the way some providers manage their business.

Your hypothetical scenario is far fetched in my opinion.  
When was the last time this has happened? Which MN provider has done this?
I believe none have turned over info.  

confused by the usage of "impudence".

I do have to say I agree with Samantha..,I highly doubt a provider would turn over client info over a misdemeanor prostitution ticket...I know I wouldn't and I also know girls who have been arrested and haven't. In fact, they pay their ticket and continue working, so it would be very counterproductive to turn in clients...

When your options are going to jail and missed your kids or hand over your client list.  I'm going to guess that your going to hand over your client list.  

Prostitution is a misdemeanor.  The court system does not put people in prison for misdemeanors.  A women is arrested, fingerprinted, photographed and issued a citation to appear in court.  She is custody for only as long as it takes to complete that process.  

At the end of the day there is one person & one person ONLY who is responsible & MOST reliable to rely on for my safety & security. That person is ME!

I think the point is that the client could be vulnerable in some way if a prostitute gets busted. Also, not all providers are going to react equally, and the original post is neither nonsensical or impudent.

From what I've experienced, gentlemen lack discretion more often then service providers. From posting the location to gossipy pillow talk.  

Talon-you rub me the wrong way. And have for weeks now.  
I am known in THIS community for discretion and privacy.  
You are way off base to think I or any of my sexy lady counterparts would give up your or ANY hobbyists info.  
Not going to happen.  

and I agree with you.  I do understand the meaning of the word, but nothing in your original post communicated offense other than the word.

Tell me, do you remember why Tiger St Claire was investigated for MFP ?
The HOBBYISTs in the MN nice guys were to blame, not a service provider.  

Dude, to quote talon:  "When your options are going to jail and missed your kids or hand over your client list."

on a side note to the original poster, I keep a day planner as well as others like in the real world, it has nothing to do with the hobby one iota, but for personal stuff like other appointments, stuff I have to do, new numbers of personal friends, etc.  I mean did you examine it closely or? just assume it was a planner for this hobby?  I'd hate to think that any of my clients would think that just by glancing around or seeing my desk   I am one that , (no, not due to age haha) but have to write shit down outside of this industry to stay on task with other daily obligations, sometimes could use a post it note right on my forehead- geez. What Samantha says is as far as my experience, is a truism , I have never heard of any instances regarding this- its a misdemeanor folks and the clients I do see, as a dear lady who is not here anymore said, leave as friends, never would I roll on my friends over such a petty issue, I hope this kind of paranoia can be resolved as any reputable lady here and elsewhere that I am familiar with- well it just don't happen.  I have even heard of cases where some lady was busted and rumors were spread that their computers were confiscated and etc and guess what, never happened.  Hope this does not come off as harsh in this thread, I am a gentle soul and I like you Handy! I just think words of wisdom are to never assume the worst- and I guess it was not wrong for you to ask either.  Hope everyone has a great day! They are saying the sun is coming ,  lets hope sooner then later! Peace and party on! J. xxxoo

Luv U2 gorgeous!

My first reaction also...what was he doing looking thru her "stuff".  Not one lady that I've been with would give up anything.  It's people that think of these things that would do those things.

Please reread the OP.  I don't understand where you get that the main point of the OP is to say "service provider when getting pinched are more likely to roll."  He doesn't say or imply that anywhere.  

"Made me wonder how much info is retained by providers? Call logs on their phones have our numbers, saved e-mails, even PM sent here. How easy if any of them got busted with all that info for Le to trace back to clients!"

2late,  
Well said on all points.

Actually, taken literally, Talon is probably correct.  If the options are going to jail and not seeing your kids, who knows what a provider may do.  Same with a client. Also, LE may acquire the list without the provider's cooperation.  

I agree and if a provider rolled on her clients how far would law enforcement go on a misdemeanor anyway.Flip side if a John got busted what would happen to his info and would let go after his contacts.

I think not providers aren't stupid most are rather  street smart unlike most John's. I believe they would call a lawyer he is not going to tell them to give up anything. Providers I've known are very discreet and savvy it's not like there gonna get a brake by turning there list anyway.Remember this is there livelihood and recreation for us and frankly I trust my regular as much as my good friends.

No, talon remains incorrect.  The lady simply is not a risk of jail time unless there is something else in play such as drugs, weapons, etc.  LE has no specific reason to "pressure" a provider into releasing client data, since this data is not usable in a prosecution.

It would be awfully hard to give references without saving an email address, name or phone number. If you don't get rescreened every time you go back to see someone it's because she remembers you from the info you gave her, not because you made such a big impression on her that she will never forget you.  
You provide for your own safety by doing your research and by not giving out information that you feel might bite you in the ass. You use a hobby phone and hobby email so you are not the low hanging fruit but if something VERY BAD happens and LE really wants to find you it's going to be pretty hard to hide, you can't eliminate the risk but you can minimize it.

Rub it anyway you want, I didn't say you specifically have kids.  

Couldn't agreed more, wish I could put up the internet high-five here.

My point is: It doesn't matter if she is at risk of going to jail or not.  Talon's premise states that "When your options are going to jail..."  And the specific reason for releasing client's names is to deter others, not to prosecute.

90 Days in jail according to the website.

The ladies I see are all well reviewed and very professional in the way they conduct their business, as am I. We all do the best we can to protect ourselves and each other. There is a certain amount of trust that we must have in one and other to do the right thing. I refuse to worry about or waste energy on stuff that is out my control.  

The day planner was open on a table by the door. I did not go through any of her things as some suggest. I didn't say anything about the provider rolling over or loose lips. I was thinking if I were LE and confiscated it or her phone/Ipad (in plain sight) with call logs/saved emails etc. as to how much providers save that could be accessed by LE.  A lot of people are adding a lot to the post that simply is not there. You are lucky that I am not thin skinned and take offense to your accusations!!

Why don't you find out how many prostitution arrests result in jail time.  That is the appropriate answer to whether or not a provider "faces" jail time as a result of this misdemeanor.

If there are minors involved they will go code RED as they should!!  The only other time they make any effort is if there is a complaint from residents.  A massage & HE parlor in a strip mall is on their watch list.  Street walkers are also because they are visible to the public and the public complains.  As an adult private person especially if you see clients in your home, they do not care.  If people who are upset with a provider complain they don't care.  If the customer get robbed they don't care.  Keep your shade down, don't advertise explicitly and avoid a "Massage Parlor" sign on your door.

The last service provider I know that was busted paid a $300 ticket.  

Your original post is poorly written then.  
A planner is proof of nothing. How do you even know Joeblow from TER was scheduled or a dentist appointment? You looked and saw something on a table and started thinking in a hypothetical world.  

I know who!

the fact that most provider's have a life as well. Therefore, we have to separate the real world from the hobby world just like you....My life would crumble if my world's somehow spilled into one another....I can imagine how that would feel; therefore, not only do I keep all of my information as private as possible but I also keep your's private. Do I delete all my emails and PM's.....no, but how is LE going to get into my emails or PMs?  
You all are being silly...Like we (provider's) don't have anything to lose or we would just give all of our info up if we ever got busted. The chances on getting busted with proper screening techniques are very slim to being with.

Often because someone was upset about it and complained.

Obviously, giving up that kind of information should they be arrested is a bad idea but that doesn't mean there aren't those who would do it anyway out of the mistaken belief that it might make things easier for them.  And if the jurisdiction where such a provider got arrested was cracking down for some reason (elections coming up, etc.) LE might try to follow up on that info, rattle a few cages, and see if a hobbyist panics and stupidly admits to doing something.

people are less safe than they think...  "untraceable hobby phone and email"  someone said? those are serious misconceptions. However, it may not be that likely for LE to bother with it in a petty crime scenario. They don't seem to be doing it now, anyway.

Actually,

I'm sure there's plenty more, I just don't have ot want to spending time searching.  Found this only after about 5 minutes of my time.

Dakota County, really?

Who the fuck care what county it is, you wanted an example of some one going to jail and I provided one.  I don't fucking have unlimited time to search. If I can find one if 5 minutes, I'm sure there are many more examples if I care to spend the time to search.

Dude you are just not getting it.

idiot

He's just licking his wounded wankie again. Ignore the mouth breather & he'll get bored & go troll another board. That's his hobby. Hehe!

Engaging if prostitution has gotten people jail time, eom.  Go back and read the myth about prostitution laws in Minnesota from link above.

thanks for the suggestion though.

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