: Minnesota Discussion : Re: Paranoia

crushedflowers 7 Reviews 1663 reads

posted 13 years ago

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I've yet to try an outcall session to my house, which of course is a big step - more nerve-wracking than any other kind of arrangement, having heard stories of robberies and blackmail. However I know there are some star providers out there who can do outcall.

Any personal recommendations? I don't know if this is flouting board rules or not, but if not, then ladies - feel free to chime in - I don't have VIP right now, unfortunately.

brilove See my TER Reviews 1253 reads

posted 13 years ago

2 / 32

I used to only do outcall

Posted By: crushedflowers

I've yet to try an outcall session to my house, which of course is a big step - more nerve-wracking than any other kind of arrangement, having heard stories of robberies and blackmail. However I know there are some star providers out there who can do outcall.

Any personal recommendations? I don't know if this is flouting board rules or not, but if not, then ladies - feel free to chime in - I don't have VIP right now, unfortunately.

vorlon 119 Reviews 1108 reads

posted 13 years ago

3 / 32

Have you done a review search with Outcall = Yes?

Without knowing what type (looks, etc.) of lady you prefer, it is hard to give recommendations.

crushedflowers 7 Reviews 1150 reads

posted 13 years ago

4 / 32

Re: Have you done a review search with Outcall = Yes?

Posted By: vorlon

Without knowing what type (looks, etc.) of lady you prefer, it is hard to give recommendations.

Yeah I've been researching pretty hard... I have a few in mind

but if anyone has any rock-solid, reliable and discreet referrals, I'd love to hear about them. Not having VIP (and not being able to get it right now) is a pain in my bottom.

abugarcia1 7 Reviews 989 reads

posted 13 years ago

5 / 32

Any well reviewed provider

I would ask any lady that you might be interested in. Even if they don't happen to offer outcall, they may be willing to work with you. Never hurts to ask.

Posted By: crushedflowers

I've yet to try an outcall session to my house, which of course is a big step - more nerve-wracking than any other kind of arrangement, having heard stories of robberies and blackmail. However I know there are some star providers out there who can do outcall.

Any personal recommendations? I don't know if this is flouting board rules or not, but if not, then ladies - feel free to chime in - I don't have VIP right now, unfortunately.

DanielleDD See my TER Reviews 1191 reads

posted 13 years ago

6 / 32

Depending on where you're located...

I'm pretty sure most of us ladies wouldn't mind coming to hangout at your place with you. Like Bri, I used to only be an outcall provider, but it seemed as if the demand was for incall in Mpls, so that's what I've ended up mainly offering. Supply & demand I do however, still do quite a few outcalls. I would just contact a couple of ladies that peak your interest and inquire to if they're willing to travel to your area. Happy hobbying!!!

Related Link: http://www.msdanielle.webs.com

LadyAstrid See my TER Reviews 947 reads

posted 13 years ago

7 / 32

It makes us nervous, too

It goes both ways, it is difficult meeting new people but we do our best. From the provider's side, (I can only speak for myself) going to a private home especially is anxiety-inducing and it takes a serious amount of trust and confidence for me. Please know that we have numerous concerns, too. In addition to personal safety, we also worry about your neighbors or others who may see us. I wonder sometimes how paranoid I must be because in the private residence situation I also have thoughts about recording devices men could potentially have at the ready.

Now- with a well-regarded lady you can put the thought of robbery out of your mind. Misbehavior would harm us as much as it would harm you; our reputation is at stake.

My thoughts for you are: choose the lady you would like to have visit you and when you email her ask her if she will consider outcall to a private home. If she will consider it, you can then send her your verification info and get your rapport with her off to a very good start so that she is as comfortable as she can be. When we feel safe we can be at our best, and this is what you want.

Make your list and start your inquiries. The ladies with great reputations want to keep them that way and are not going to harm you or your personal property, nor will they bring unwanted attention to your place. A lady that knows what she is doing will blend right into ANY situation. For a private home outcall she should either be very conservatively, casually dressed, or she should be dressed in professional office business attire. For example, I go as far as carrying my goodies in a briefcase/attaché and putting all my hair up in a clip. I'm sure you would be gracious enough to allow a lady to use the powder room to change into something delicious for your private time. When she leaves, she will look just like she did when she arrived just in case anyone should see her coming & going...

For a private home visit I certainly would not use the car service I prefer when I go downtown to hotels or large condo buildings. This is something else to think about- it needs to look as legitimate as possible. Details are so important and nothing should be overlooked.

Good luck, & have fun!

Peace,

Astri

turboted 2 Reviews 1173 reads

posted 13 years ago

8 / 32

Paranoia

If the stories of robberies and blackmail are believable, why would you even risk the chance of hosting a session at your home?

In any case, I would guess that it would be difficult to determine which providers are 100% reliable for out-call sessions.

You must remember that prostitution is an illegal activity. Providers have been known to associate themselves with individuals in their private life that are involved in other illegal activities. Inside information supplied by a provider to such individuals may make you the perfect target for their fun and games.

Example: Via back-channel information shared to me, a now retired high profile Minneapolis-area provider was married to a professional automobile thief.

bustybrooke28 See my TER Reviews 1177 reads

posted 13 years ago

9 / 32

Best outcall? Why...me of course!

👍👍👍

Related Link: Call me! :)

LadyAstrid See my TER Reviews 1081 reads

posted 13 years ago

10 / 32

Re: Paranoia

Now our friends are criminals? Nice!

NEWSFLASH, torboted! We are just like everyone else with jobs, children, families and normal lives that DON'T include having friends who are criminals.

What a bullshit thing to say and I don't care who takes stock in your post. We are in front of you in the checkout lane at Target and just like you, buying tissue paper and laundry soap.

Saying that us providers are known to associate ourselves with losers in our private lives is a bunch of crap and MY opinion is you should have thought a bit more before clicking "post message."

And no, it is NOT difficult to determine which providers are 100% reliable for outcall sessions. I believe that's what this site is for, to get information about US providers.

You need to pull your head out if you think a lady with an excellent reputation has any interest in ripping anyone off or blackmailing them. We make a decent living and we can take care of ourselves.

I have my fun and games doing perfectly normal, legal things not ripping people off or telling my imaginary criminal friends about you.

As far as your "back channel info" I, for one, do NOT believe everything I hear. But then again I don't participate in gossip, either.

PEACE.

Posted By: turboted

If the stories of robberies and blackmail are believable, why would you even risk the chance of hosting a session at your home?

In any case, I would guess that it would be difficult to determine which providers are 100% reliable for out-call sessions.

You must remember that prostitution is an illegal activity. Providers have been known to associate themselves with individuals in their private life that are involved in other illegal activities. Inside information supplied by a provider to such individuals may make you the perfect target for their fun and games.

Example: Via back-channel information shared to me, a now retired high profile Minneapolis-area provider was married to a professional automobile thief.

SvedkaFrank 1028 reads

posted 13 years ago

11 / 32

Recommendation

First, I would ignore Turboted. You need to do your research like you would for any appointment.

Second, if Bridget Love will see you, I highly recommend her. Don't hesitate and contact her.

brilove See my TER Reviews 1039 reads

posted 13 years ago

12 / 32

Yep and hobbyist must associate themselves with rapists as well ???

Of course not!! Honestly your post was the most IGNORANT one I have read to date ... And there have been many, many you have competed with.

I'm not saying it can't be true for some ... But the OP is asking on TER and so far the only providers who have responded have good reps and not the type to worry about. Maybe you should have just said something along the lines of choosing wisely but to generalize is just dumb.

For the record: I do not associate in my private life with others who commit illegal activities!

-- Modified on 12/2/2013 5:49:33 AM

turboted 2 Reviews 1011 reads

posted 13 years ago

13 / 32

Piece

If you review the original message that started this thread, the original poster commented that he was concerned about out-call arrangements due to the fact that he has heard stories about robberies and blackmail.

I have never communicated with the original poster. Thus, he must have received his information from other sources in the hobby. (Perhaps) his sources of information are simply as uninformed as the comments supplied in my message.

turboted 2 Reviews 1068 reads

posted 13 years ago

14 / 32

Risk

If you review the message by the original poster, he felt that there were certain concerns with having a provider visit his home.

The hobby is full of inherent risks. Hobbyists and providers must find ways to manage such risks.

If a risk (i.e., having a provider visit your home) can be controlled (i.e., meeting in a neutral location), why would the original poster want to increase his risk for adverse outcomes (e.g., robbery and blackmail)?

DJ1985 21 Reviews 849 reads

posted 13 years ago

15 / 32

Re: Paranoia

If this has been your experience, you need to reconsider where you are finding your companions and who you choose to spend your time with.

turboted 2 Reviews 970 reads

posted 13 years ago

16 / 32

Visiting

I do not have any direct, personal experience with any of the adverse outcomes mentioned by the original poster.

However, the original poster has heard of stories relating such adverse outcomes.

Note: In order to reduce my risk to such adverse outcomes, I have tended to meet visiting providers (during my time in the hobby)

crushedflowers 7 Reviews 789 reads

posted 13 years ago

17 / 32

Re: Paranoia

Posted By: turboted

If the stories of robberies and blackmail are believable, why would you even risk the chance of hosting a session at your home?

In any case, I would guess that it would be difficult to determine which providers are 100% reliable for out-call sessions.

You must remember that prostitution is an illegal activity. Providers have been known to associate themselves with individuals in their private life that are involved in other illegal activities. Inside information supplied by a provider to such individuals may make you the perfect target for their fun and games.

Example: Via back-channel information shared to me, a now retired high profile Minneapolis-area provider was married to a professional automobile thief.

It has to be said, that's one of the more idiotic things I've read on here. I wouldn't invite any complete stranger to my house without a small amount of forethought and caution, no matter what the background. And yes, there are horror stories associated with the hobby, in the same way there are horror stories with people vacationing in the Bahamas. Is that going to stop me from tanning my arse this January? Nope. Because for every story you hear that doesn't end well, there are several thousand that end very happily.

I laugh at the accusation of paranoia. This is a subculture where caution is a byword and anyone that doesn't exercise some and do their best to mitigate risk has no place in it. As I'm not a regular hobby person and haven't ever requested an outcall, I take the risks seriously, don't dismiss the horror stories as irrelevant (especially as I'd be inviting someone to my home)... but at the same time, I wouldn't dream of painting an entire population of ladies with such broad brush strokes. That's extremely rude.

The few ladies I have met, I would be extremely happy to associate with them socially. These are people that I'd be more than happy to have as my neighbour. Especially if they were careless about pulling the blinds and drawing the curtains.

I've done a lot of research, but it's hard to tell out of the dozens of ladies who apparently do outcall, which are the best. A top 5, if you will. So all I was looking for here was some strong recommendations - what I wasn't looking for was a condescending and ignorant commentary. Thanks.

crushedflowers 7 Reviews 843 reads

posted 13 years ago

18 / 32

Re: It makes us nervous, too

Posted By: LadyAstrid

It goes both ways, it is difficult meeting new people but we do our best. From the provider's side, (I can only speak for myself) going to a private home especially is anxiety-inducing and it takes a serious amount of trust and confidence for me. Please know that we have numerous concerns, too. In addition to personal safety, we also worry about your neighbors or others who may see us. I wonder sometimes how paranoid I must be because in the private residence situation I also have thoughts about recording devices men could potentially have at the ready.

Now- with a well-regarded lady you can put the thought of robbery out of your mind. Misbehavior would harm us as much as it would harm you; our reputation is at stake.

My thoughts for you are: choose the lady you would like to have visit you and when you email her ask her if she will consider outcall to a private home. If she will consider it, you can then send her your verification info and get your rapport with her off to a very good start so that she is as comfortable as she can be. When we feel safe we can be at our best, and this is what you want.

Make your list and start your inquiries. The ladies with great reputations want to keep them that way and are not going to harm you or your personal property, nor will they bring unwanted attention to your place. A lady that knows what she is doing will blend right into ANY situation. For a private home outcall she should either be very conservatively, casually dressed, or she should be dressed in professional office business attire. For example, I go as far as carrying my goodies in a briefcase/attaché and putting all my hair up in a clip. I'm sure you would be gracious enough to allow a lady to use the powder room to change into something delicious for your private time. When she leaves, she will look just like she did when she arrived just in case anyone should see her coming & going...

For a private home visit I certainly would not use the car service I prefer when I go downtown to hotels or large condo buildings. This is something else to think about- it needs to look as legitimate as possible. Details are so important and nothing should be overlooked.

Good luck, & have fun!

Peace,

Astrid

Thank you, Ms. Astrid

Yes, it's much more nerve-wracking for providers than it is for clients. The few ladies that I have met won't do outcall, and I'm guessing there's a good reason for it, some of which you allude to. One told me she may consider it, but for a high premium, and it was clear it wouldn't be her favoured scenario.

Of course, I'd show any lady visiting me the same courtesies as any invited guest. The place would be dusted, potpourri refreshed and the cushions fluffed

Thank you for your constructive and helpful input!

-cf

turboted 2 Reviews 915 reads

posted 13 years ago

19 / 32

Prick

If you actually had a list of five ladies, then you should have listed them and asked for feedback from other hobbyists regarding those five specific individuals.

Perhaps you feel good in your attempt to paint me as the "bad" guy in this message thread. Perhaps you hope that it will win you some points with certain providers. However, you must remember that you were the first person to associate out-call situations and undesirable outcomes.

crushedflowers 7 Reviews 882 reads

posted 13 years ago

20 / 32

Re: Prick

Posted By: turboted

If you actually had a list of five ladies, then you should have listed them and asked for feedback from other hobbyists regarding those five specific individuals.

If you re-read what I said, you'll realise that I don't yet have a top 5. That's the entire point here.

Posted By: turboted

Perhaps you feel good in your attempt to paint me as the "bad" guy in this message thread.

I think you did a stellar job of that yourself...

Posted By: turboted

Perhaps you hope that it will win you some points with certain providers.

I don't think I win points with providers by not accusing them all as potential muggers or blackmailers. If you think about the vacation to the Bahamas analogy, one of the first things I check about the resort under consideration is the perceived level of safety. Doesn't mean that I think that everyone who lives in St Maarten a potential murderer.

Posted By: turboted

However, you must remember that you were the first person to associate out-call situations and undesirable outcomes.

Right - a first time outcall client. Just asking for advice and pointers based on local knowledge. Which Ms. Astrid helpfully provided without insulting anyone, you'll notice.

LadyAstrid See my TER Reviews 897 reads

posted 13 years ago

21 / 32

Re: Prick

No, you did a fine job of painting yourself as a bad guy by lumping ALL providers into one seedy, thieving, associating-with-criminals group.

The OP said he had concerns, and understandably. He did NOT put ALL providers into an unsavory group. This is where you went wrong. You see, not all the guys utilizing TER for its purpose are playing Backpage roulette. They know better.

Posted By: turboted

If you actually had a list of five ladies, then you should have listed them and asked for feedback from other hobbyists regarding those five specific individuals.

Perhaps you feel good in your attempt to paint me as the "bad" guy in this message thread. Perhaps you hope that it will win you some points with certain providers. However, you must remember that you were the first person to associate out-call situations and undesirable outcomes.

Riley007 45 Reviews 1027 reads

posted 13 years ago

22 / 32

If Bri will see you, you'll have a great time! eom

END OF MESSAGE

Riley007 45 Reviews 1055 reads

posted 13 years ago

23 / 32

Do an incall first.

First, get VIP. Playing this game without it is just dumb.

Second, pick a lady you want to see, ask if she still does out call and then offer to do an incall first at the place of her choosing. After you both meet you will both have a better feel for each other.

If you then book an outcall with a well reviewed lady that you have already met, the odds of anything bad happening are very low. Your main concern after this point is making sure you clean up every single bit of evidence of your session of you don't live alone.

Finally, if funds are an issue, just pick a well reviewed lady with recent reviews and you're going to be fine. Lady Astrid, Bridget and the other lovely ladies that comment on these boards all have sterling reputations and they would never think of tarnishing it by grabbing your VCR.

crushedflowers 7 Reviews 690 reads

posted 13 years ago

24 / 32

VCR??

I'll make sure she doesn't take my 8-track too!

Getting VIP is a question of getting an untraceable way of paying for it. I know that's possible and it's on my to-do list. I'm a busy man...

minn4evr 42 Reviews 780 reads

posted 13 years ago

25 / 32

Ted, you seem to enjoy ...

... being a contrarian and phrasing your comments in a manner designed to elicit a strong response. There's nothing inherently evil in that, unless you can't handle it when the strong response is not what you were hoping for.

The spectre you raised is not complete and total bullshit. Some providers have pimps, creatures that don't have a great reputation. A few years ago a guy changed his mind about outcall, turned the lady away from his door at 2 am, and got shot and killed by her pimp. So yeah, there's risk in anything. Had you simply urged caution no one would disagree. But to torture your point and argue it is impossible to find a provider who is safe, reputable and pimp-free, was fallacious and illogical. And pretty mean, to boot, given the readership you know exists on this board. Were you really hoping to insult every lady who participates and not draw a response? Did you think a bunch of guys would chime in with a chorus of "Yah, hoors is all thieves"? You walked into this buzz saw all on your own and an apology would be a far more appropriate response than name-calling.

minn4evr 42 Reviews 954 reads

posted 13 years ago

26 / 32

Incall first is good advice

Chemistry can be a funny thing. If it turns out you don't have any with the lady, it's a lot easier to say "Thanks, I must be going now" than "No offense, but get out of here."

Also, you may pay a higher rate for outcall and have to commit to a longer minimum time which would just make things more awkward.