Disclaimer: I dont engage in 'unprotected' sex - simply my preference....that said,

With regards to HIV...the transmission probabilities are seemingly not what the media would have you believe. There is a slew of info on the web illustrating a pointedly different picture with regards to risk factors and probablities of contracting the virus. These links are just two of many that were quite surprising to me;

"If healthy, HIV-negative Americans want to worry about unprotected vaginal intercourse, they should worry about the drive over to their encounters. If their partners have never injected drugs or received rectal intercourse or blood therapy, they are more likely to be killed in an automobile accident on the ride over than they are to become HIV-positive."

http://www.rethinking.org/aids/rethinkingaids.org/1997/RA9709SexLiesAndBrody.html

http://aids.about.com/od/hivaidsstats/f/infectionrisk.htm

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You didn't mention that these risks would also apply via cunnilingus.

Why would I pay $ 300 for CFS and CBJ when I can get the same thing on BP for $ 80 today?

It is all about your risk tolerance and that varies widely. An 80 year old single man with fully grown kids might be willing to engage in more risk than a married 40 year old with two kids. Everyone including providers have to make risk tolerance decisions in this business.

I agree with you that BBFS is not something that anyone in this business should engage in yet it continues anyway. The risk level combined with the domino effect and indirect exposure is very high but I also understand that I can't bear witness and police every encounter at the same time except my own.

I am not against CBJ, received it many times but besides an STD risk, I am also going to put a dollar value on the service and if I can find it cheaper another place then that is the avenue I am going to take.

For the record; I research reviews, profiles and websites carefully. If I find a provider does not offer a service at the price I want, I simply move on because I know I can find someone else in this business. You will never find me requesting a service from a provider be that BBBJ or otherwise that I know she doesn't offer.

Two other online sources that people may want to look at are: Medhelp and The Body. Both seem to be more up to date and "real world" if you will vs. the CDC, which references  information that is rather dated. BBBJ and DATY are unfortunately not zero risk activities, and these sites may offer additional information relative to your own individual risk assessment. Also contacting your local anonymous STD clinc and speaking with an actual nurse is another way to get your questions addressed. Surprisingly, many "regular" health care practitioners are often rather clueless on the subject(s), and simply parrot CDC or even more dated responses.

I don't know if I am the exception or the norm. But I don't base my choice in providers on if they will or will not give a BBBJ. I am interested in if the kiss or not and if her time spent with others was enjoyable.  Maybe I am just to old school!  

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is solo masturbation. Have fun getting all wet and drippy by yourself.

If you're a bible banger and faithful to yourself, and morality is number one, a nun or whatever... Then don't touch another cock with your bare hands!! It's common knowledge, you could get any of the following diseases mentioned above. It's not rocket science people! Providers, you know what you're doing so why make a big deal out of it if you don't enforce your own "rules"?!?! It's called being the bigger and responsible person! If you don't stick to your own guns you'll be classified as "easy". Don't be stupid... be real!! Hellllooooooooooooooo!!!!! xoxoxoxo

No offense meant (sincerely) but..."don't touch another cock with your bare hands...common knowledge". What!?

According to multiple physicians who deal with STD's exclusively on sites like The Body, MedHelp, Avert and SFClinic there is ZERO evidence of hand to "Johnson" transmission of anything having ever occurred. Yes, there is always the chance that you (meant in the general sense) could be the first case out of hundreds of millions+ of contacts of this type where somehow something was transmitted, defying current medical opinion. But "common knowledge"...not so much.

Self respect however...is huge!!! Kissing is generally considered very safe (the CDC references one documented case of HIV transmission by kissing when both parties suffered from horrible oral hygiene and bleeding gums. This particular case is still being debated however, as this couple also engaged in other sexual activity together.) Kissing can transmit good old fashioned oral herpes, as well as colds and the flu. Unprotected oral opens up the proverbial Pandora's box relative to all sorts of unpleasantness and unprotected penetrative sex in this day and age is just plain stupid.

Either throw caution to the wind and roll the dice, or take a few minutes to educate yourself on the potential risks that you are/are not wiling to live with. Another option would be to call the Red Door Clinic in Minneapolis and address any questions that you may have with one of the nurses there. They deal with this stuff daily, know what they are talking about.

If you do CBJ and use film for DATY.  It can be passed from the good ol' balls to the vag.

You can really catch anything with human contact.  One small paper cut on your little finger and "John" wasn't so careful manscaping.  Your paper cut touches his tiny lil' shaving cut and BAMMMM you now have everything each other has.

Yes, sleeping around is risky no matter how careful you are. .

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"Your paper cut touches his tiny lil' shaving cut and BAMMMM you now have everything each other has."

Sorry, it's not that simple. I acknowledge the possibility here, but BAM? Like magic, it's an instant transfer of infectious disease? No. Not hardly. I find that statement quite laughable.

I don't know where you people get this shit from, read one arcticle or blog and everyone thinks they are the fucking CDC.

On one hand you have the oblivious fucktards who think they can go around shagging like they're still in the disco-era, and the on the other side you have the misinformed fear mongerers suggesting that if someone sneezes in the same room you will die of AIDS tomorrow. Some research and common sense would help many of you look a little less foolish when you start these rants.

ANd I don't intend for this to be directed at any one person, but would rather imply that this thread is littered with numerous preposterous statements by several individuals.

Sex isn't safe, neither is getting out of bed in the morning, just a calculated risk, like everything else in life. Some people know what they are doing, while others pretend to.

 

Thanks for the PSA but to me its just a matter of degree of risk and being smart about keeping it to a minimum.  Its one thing to read all the alarming advice about the possibility of catching anything by doing anything.  but if you start to research the probabilities and how certain things are transferred you learn how you can almost eliminate it.  I think the primary debate centers around bbbj and daty and I am not intending to start one here.   The risk is primarily with the giver and that risk is greatly increased if there are any open sores on either party.  So if you are otherwise tolerant of the risk, but you have a cold sore, have bit your lip, tongue, or cheek, have bleeding gums, or are suffering from a sore throat, etc., probably not a good idea to go down downtown without the raincoat.  

but no matter what level you play at, do yourself and everyone you play with a favor and get tested regularly.  I do it every 6 months despite how "safe" I feel.

L-I-P and O-O-E are spot-on.

There is a great deal of misinformation floating around out there on both ends of the spectrum, from the disco-era "bang any carbon-based life form bareback it's all good who me worry" folks to the "let me put on my nitrile glove and sanitize before and after I shake your hand set". My original reply was only an attempt to point out that "shaking hands with Mr. Johnson" so to speak is a very, very, very low (essentially zero) risk behavior as noted by several sites/physicians that deal exclusively with STD's in general and HIV in particular. If you are not asleep yet, a little more info...

Hands, Feet and Genitals. Oh-My! Not intending any disrespect, however the paper-cut statement is simply not accurate. There is the THEORETICAL possibility that someone having an open, bleeding wound on one's hand that came into contact with non-intact/compromised mucosal (vaginal or anal) tissue could potentially transmit an STD, however there is exceedingly little clinically excepted evidence of this type of transmission ever having occurred. Yes, it could be happening on a daily basis somewhere in the middle of lower Etch-A-Sketchistan and is perhaps never reported to the Etch-A-Sketchistan Central Committee On Diseases, Sexually Transmitted. But is hand to genital contact a known/recognized transmission vector for STD's? Not so much.

Kissing: As I noted before, there was one reported instance of HIV being (possibly) transmitted via deep kissing, but depending upon who you talk in medical land to this may or may not have occurred due to kissing only. Numerous HIV studies have been conducted over the past 20 years that cast doubt on the possibility of HIV being transmitted by deep kissing. There are approximately 12 different proteins/compounds in saliva that render HIV nonviable, yet the CDC and some other sites still infer that deep kissing could be a risk. Up to you as to which study/opinion you want to believe. If HIV and other more common STD's were indeed transmitted easily by kissing, we would collectively be up the proverbial shit creek as a species, but in the end it's your own individual call.

STD's/Oral: Moving on to oral land in terms of garden variety STD's: Generally, the person doing the giving i.e. the "blower" in BBBJ, or the "diner" in DATY is at a statistically greater risk of contracting an STD than the "givee" (apologies to Mr. Webster). This is for a variety of reasons that I won't bore you with, but they are well-published and easy to Google if you are so inclined.

HIV and oral: Yep. There is a varying degree (viral load, concentration) in pre-cum of males infected with the virus. The degree depends on plasma concentrations, disease stage, viral load, yadda, yadda...but it is there. Cases of HIV being actually transmitted in this manner appear to be very rare, but in my humble opinion who wants to test those statistics on themselves? DATY poses a statistically lesser risk, as the greatest concentrations of HIV virus in vaginal secretions are found next to the cervix. Perhaps Gene Simmons should take particular note here, but again it is up to the individual as to whether they want to test those statistics themselves.  

I hope that I am not out of line posting the following link to the San Francisco Clinic's STD risk chart. It is an excellent snapshot relative to "doing what could get me what":

http://www.sfcityclinic.org/stdbasics/stdchart.asp

Again, don't believe what some faceless person (i.e. me) spouts off here on TER or anywhere else on the web. There are people who are completely full of shit on either side of the fence.  Take a few minutes and check this stuff out for yourself. After all, you're kinda dealing with some relatively heavy stuff here, and prying yourself away from the latest provider-de-jour post long enough to educate yourself on a potentially life altering subject may not be the worse possible use of your time. My guess is that reputable providers will be more than happy to wait.

Be Safe!

Tansfer of fluids would require an OPEN wound on both of you. I don't imagine if either of you were bleeding you'd be touching or wanting to be touched in or with an area that is actively seeping blood. If you are both bleeding you'd likely both be tending to your wounds, not teabagging. Incidental contact of your scabs is going to....nothing. So for all practical purposes lets also mention your odds are better of catching a lightning bolt than an STD in the manner described, unless we are talking about two people who are both sick (in the non-literal sense) AND fucking stupid.

Caution is good, and smart, and necessary but let's not go overboard. There are too many clueless people in the world who will believe anything, they don't need to be any more confused than they already are.

And no I don't watch much TV, reality is far more entertaining. BAMMMM!