Fine, book a 45 min appointment, and anticipate that only 30-35 of those minutes will actually be spent fucking. Get the picture?
When I see my masseusse, I book a 60 min massage. I show up, she shows me into the changing area, I get undressed, climb up on the table, and wait for her to knock and enter. WHen its over, I go get dressed again. By the time I walk out of the changing room, generally 60 minutes preciesly has elapsed, because that is precisely what I paid for. The 5 minutes spent undressing and dressing are part of the hour I am paying for. Get over it.
I established a 7:30 am appointment for this morning with a well-reviewed traveling provider. I arrived a bit early and called her at 7:17 am, let her know I was there and acknowledged I was a little early. She indicated that was fine, I could go ahead and come up. She gave me her room number and I told her I'd see her in a few minutes.
Being a prudent sort I do not carry my wallet or any valuables with me into an appointment. I emptied my pockets, looked for some quarters for the parking meter, got out and fed the meter, started walking the block and a half to the incall. After a 1/2 block I realized my wallet was still in my back pocket and went back to put it in the car.
Back on my way to the hotel, entered and got on the elevator to a relatively high floor. When I got off the elevator I glanced at my phone and it was 7:29 - 12 minutes since I had spoken with her. The provider's room was all the way at the end of the hall. I arrived and the door was ajar so I entered. She was nice enough and started kissing me right away. I had brought her a mp3 CD I burned for her as a small gift. We get right to business and..........
Just as we were about to enter another "activity" she abruptly starts putting her clothes on. I looked at her with surprise and she said our time is up, you're welcome to stay longer, but it'll cost ya - with these "smokin'" rates you get only 1 hour.
The time on her clock was 8:15. I told her I called her from my cell at 7:17, so I had time left. She then offered to give my my final minutes. Needless to say, the mood was gone and I was a little irritated. I told her no, I went to give her the envelope and told her I was a little confused about the price. On her P411 ad it stated a price and that P411 members receive a discount. My interpretation was that I would get that discount off the stated price. She said the posted price was already her special price and there would be no further discount. There was no argument - I counted out the funds and gave it to her. She then tried to give me something back to compensate for the loss of time. Being a little irritated I refused and left without saying a whole lot.
OK - If pricing is clearly stated I do not ask over the phone or in person. I thought it sucked the session ended 1/4 hour early. This provider's reviews average about 9. I feel I am a very respectful person. Where did I go wrong here???? Please provide your thoughts.
You say you got "right to business" when you arrived. After 45 minutes of non-stop physical activity on a 1-hour discounted appointment I would start getting annoyed too. When you book an hour, that entire hour is usually not spent having sex. If you hadn't cum in 45 minutes, would 10 more minutes really have made that much more of a difference anyway???
So when one pays for an hour one should only expect a 45 min session? Really?
When the 45 minutes includes all the pounding, hair pulling and strenuous physical activity that this guy seems to like by his reviews, then sometimes can't cum because of the medication he is on, - then yes - after 45 minutes I would be DONE.
And no. 95% of guys we see don't have sex the ENTIRE HOUR when they book ONE HOUR. An hour of non-stop sex becomes painful.
Then maybe you should cut your rates to 75% of what they are and book 45 minute appointments.
Fine, book a 45 min appointment, and anticipate that only 30-35 of those minutes will actually be spent fucking. Get the picture?
When I see my masseusse, I book a 60 min massage. I show up, she shows me into the changing area, I get undressed, climb up on the table, and wait for her to knock and enter. WHen its over, I go get dressed again. By the time I walk out of the changing room, generally 60 minutes preciesly has elapsed, because that is precisely what I paid for. The 5 minutes spent undressing and dressing are part of the hour I am paying for. Get over it.
More or less, yes. 60 minutes is 60 minutes. That means after 60 minutes, the door should be hitting you in the ass. Unless you've attened Hogwarts, some time needs to be allowed for the getting dressed and leaving part. So yes, the actual *time* spent is less than 60 minutes. Really.
When one books an hour, discounted or not, how much time should be spent having sex?
Is this a different amount of time for each Provider?
How are we to know?
Should we ask when we call "How long do I get to have sex during our hour appointment"?
Do we then try to bargain for more minutes of sex and fewer minutes of talking?
If she didn't mean a full hour with the discount, then should she not have stated this amount is for 45 minutes?
Is this a different amount of time for each Provider?
How are we to know?
Should we ask when we call "How long do I get to have sex during our hour appointment"?
Do we then try to bargain for more minutes of sex and fewer minutes of talking?
If she didn't mean a full hour with the discount, then should she not have stated this amount is for 45 minutes?
Funny, I never mentioned anything about 45 minutes of non-stop physical activity, nor did I say anything about whether or not I came. Hmmmm.... I wonder who Dificult Client????
As far as I am concerned, when I spend money for an hour, the hour is mine. I am not the one who sets the rates, nor do I negotiate the rate. I am respectful enough to accept the price stated in the provider's advertisement. Therefore, if the provider states a specific rate for an hour, it should be for an hour.
I have 26 reviews on this site. There are others I have not reviewed. The majority of the time things go well. This situation (like what transpired this morning) does not arise very often at all. It typically only comes up when there is a jaded provider who has expectations that their client will cum in 10 minutes during a handjob and won't be able to get it up again.
Accurate communication can be very hard sometimes and it looks like you and she just weren't on the same wavelength. She shouldn't have tried to end the appointment early but I guess I do wonder why you were so irritated that when she agreed to give you the full hour that you no longer wanted to continue. Did you have to argue with her about it?
If she's someone you'd like to see again, perhaps send her an email explaining that you would like to see her again sometime but are concerned about what happened and want to make sure it doesn't happen again.
I feel for you, but I sense (from your long explanation) that she would have another version or two to this episode. So you were early. She accepted and received you (early?). It seems that your bad experience's root cause is when the clock started. I think that you two should talk, kiss, and make up. You have 26 reviews, and therefore are not a rookie. I don't know if your date was really expensive, but you said that she tried to give back some of the donation for loss of time. What is wounded? You? or Her? Kiss and Make up.
I've had the same situation and I think it sucks. At these rates- 15 mins here or there and it's stealing!
I'm bored with this.
Come to Chicago, the providers are better here. Minneapolis used to be great,
but has fallen way behind. There are very few quality providers in Minneapolis now.
Don't waste your money here, Southwest has short inexpensive flights to Chicago.
The traveling providers don't come to Minneapolis anymore like they use to either.
The local ladies in Minneapolis are hot and responsive, and there are plenty of enticing travelers including some hot Asians. I don't want to generalize, but one of my most unpleasant experiences in the hobby occurred in Chicago. Each town has a lot to offer, and neither is perfect. Only Sydney, NSW, Australia is the perfect hobby venue, IMHO.
I am quite offended by this statement. I am a traveling provider and I would "NEVER" visit Chicago. Even though I visit with very few Gentleman in Minneapolis, I still Love it. So Please don't say that Quality traveling providers don't visit Minneapolis. I have tons of review on other sites that prove that I am quality.
Gentleman Quality provider will travel here we just have to treat them right!
Have a Blessed Day
xoxo Andrea Davis
Be offended all you want, it's the truth, whether you want to believe it or not.
Thats your personal opinion, and your entitled to that, but the reality of the matter is
is that your in denial about the matter. Minneapolis doesn't have the quality providers like
it use to. I spoken to many of them from out of state with stellar reviews and they
don't make any money here. You can sugar coat it all you want, but that is the reality of the matter, whether you choose to believe it or not!! This my final note on this issue!! Accepted or be in Denial.
You've never been heard from here before, you offer nothing other than your opinion with nothing resembling facts or logic to back it up. If you are going to take shots at us, would you at least not make such a pathetic attempt at it?!
What's more ironic is this dude is looking to date some of us local ladies. Just remember when you post crap like this..we all read it! I'll pass.
I have to side with Andrea on this one, this comment offends the many great ladies we have here in the cities and those who visit. Do we have some bad apples in our community, please tell me what community doesn't? If we didn't we wouldn't need these type of boards and discussion rooms to talk about what affects the hobby locally. Personally I have spoken and seen some traveling ladies and while we don't get as many visitors as we used to in the past, the ones that do come back are top quality providers. The gentlemen here are more careful and selective and sadly I have met some providers that have a hard time because they are either too mechanical or simply have a system that works for them in other towns but it is not the right fit here and too few of those try to make adjustments to what the local environment is used to. I have also seen others that do try and have a hard time and that happens because as there are bad apples with providers there are bad apples with the gents and some try to take advantage of the providers situation to either push for lower rates or even services that are out of the question and in those cases I don't blame them for not wanting to come back. Personally I visit the windy city often, and if I hobby in the area it is with a provider I have met while she has been on travel to this area, I have been burned in your area same as I have been burned in the local area, so please measure your words before you make a comment that could offend the wonderful ladies in the TC area, the good ones like Andrea and many others don't deserve the disrespect.
I had an terrible experience in Chicago with one of the "better" providers.
Once upon a time we had - Shawna, Katlyn Cruz, Sweet April, Lisa Legend, Tuzdae, Bianca James (still around...I think), Kalie Cole, TAK (Kim now in NYC)...all working here at the same time, and that's just off the top of my head. If I actually sat and thought about it I could probably expand that list by 15-20 girls with consistant 8-10 scores from that time frame, not including the regular visitors we had. So I'd have to agree, there are still a few good ones around, but MPLS ain't what it used to be.
On the flip side, Chi-town ain't that great either. I was there three weeks ago. No bad experience to report but nothing I couldn't have had here. You're handle makes me think you may be a little biased.
P.S. FUCK da Bears.
The problem is that us Minnesotans are so well hung (its the Scandinavian in us) that they just cant put up with one hour of pounding with the monster dicks here.
PM me. It would be helpful to know who the provider was. On the face of it, it doesn't appear that she was trying to rip you off or upsell. Sounds like she wanted you to leave for some reason, especially if she offered to rebate some of the donation. That just doesn't happen without a pretty good reason. I have had countless escorts who interpret an hour as up-to-an-hour or simply aren't interested in starting an attempt at another pop with only 15 min to go. I suspect she was uncomfortable with your presence at that stage and wanted you to leave for reasons only you and she will ever understand.
Move on.
To me this story is riddled with the old 'he said-she said'.
The OP was correct he was paid for an hour, but he paid for time not an act. I'm not fooled, I know what is really being sold.
Bottom line it was her room, her body; even if he paid for the time, that does not dictate what 'actions' happen.
Good grief.
1eye is right, move on.
I agree with oleoneeye, this type of situation just ends up being a he said she said debate. Look at it this way OP, if she genuinely offered you some of your appointment funds back that means something happened that she wasn't comfortable and she was decent enough to accept your point and compensate you for the understanding, now would I be upset by the misunderstanding yes but I would also look at her honesty and just try to understand what went wrong so if I would like to see this provider again in the future I could make sure to not make the same mistake twice. I'm not defending the provider here, I'm just saying that too often we forget that in this hobby there is a human factor that at times we as hobbiers and also the providers ignore completely.
It is amazing to me the assumptions that people make without having any basis.
I have been a member of this site for several (4 or 5?) years. I have ALWAYS been truthful in my postings and reviews. I have ALWAYS made every effort to treat (providers and hobbyists) others in a considerate and respectful fashion.
Any of the providers on here that know me, I believe, would attest to this. I would never harm anyone or do anything that I was asked not to. I have never NCNS. I believe everyone deserves to be treated with respect.
This being the case, I did not feel it necessary to go into detail relating to the intimate activities that took place during my visit. There were no arguments or unpleasant exchanges. I was very surprised when the provider abruptly stated the time was up when I knew it was not - there was no warning what so ever. I don't know about the rest of you, but I cannot "turn-on and turn-off" the mood like a light switch - that was why I ended things at that point. As far as not accepting the $20 that she tried to give me - I am a man of my word. If I agree to see someone I always follow through financially. If she felt she needed to end things early, then obviously she needed the money worse than I did.
I did not raise my voice when this took place. I calmly stated my feelings and then shut my mouth. I quickly dressed and left the room. This is not my opinion or perception of what took place - this is fact.
My intent writing my posting was to state the pertinent information and ask the group their opinion and to see if there was something I should/could have done differently. I really see no need for anyone to take this any further - it has gotten way out of hand and I dislike accusations and nasty comments that have no basis in fact.
I am a good man and would never harm anyone - mentally, verbally or physically.
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I am announcing my return tomorrow I only took a couple weeks off and I miss those same girls!